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tallwookie ,
@tallwookie@lemmy.world avatar

russians are known to be alcoholics - is it any wonder that a spirits manufacturer is doing business with a country of alcoholics?

gapbetweenus ,

That’s kind of racist, but also true.

firebreathingbunny ,

Racism is OK when you hate a race.

gapbetweenus ,

Why do you hate me?!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I hate the Boston Marathon as much as the next guy but I’m not translating that into stereotypes about Malawians.

firebreathingbunny ,

Russians make their own vodka. They don't need overpriced foreign vodka.

PiousAgnostic ,

Bacardi is rum

firebreathingbunny ,

Even more foreign to the traditional Russian palate, then.

blazera ,
@blazera@kbin.social avatar

You hate to be an alcohol producer when the russia sanctions start

tal ,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

Ehhh...I dunno. Russia also produces grain, and I bet that means that they produce alcohol.

goes looking

https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/explore?country=186&queryLevel=location&product=837&year=2021&productClass=HS&target=Product&partner=undefined&startYear=undefined

https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/explore?country=186&queryLevel=location&product=837&year=2021&tradeDirection=import&productClass=HS&target=Product&partner=undefined&startYear=undefined

Okay, so based on liquors, in 2021, $212 million in exports, $832 million in imports.

Beer is $141 million in exports, $361 million in imports.

Wine is $11.5 million in exports, $842 million in imports.

So, yeah, you're right, I guess -- unless I've missed some sort of category of drink -- that Russia's definitely a net importer of alcoholic beverages.

KevonLooney ,

Who tf is importing Russian wine? They should be in the Hague just for trying to push that on the world.

tal ,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/explore?country=186&queryLevel=location&product=833&year=2021&productClass=HS&target=Product&partner=undefined&startYear=undefined

This is for 2021; I suspect that a few numbers have likely changed significantly.

  • 42.75% of Russian wine exports went to Ukraine.
  • 11.52% to China.
  • 11.12% of Kazakhstan
  • 8% to Belarus
  • 5.22% to Latvia

I'm gonna stop at 5%, but you can go look at the treemap if you want more detail (like I said, though, the entire exports in 2021 were $11.5 million, so it's not a whole lot...I would guess that the numbers could be pretty noisy from year to year).

somethingsnappy ,

Having had a decent amount of Chinese wine, all I can say is Russian can’t be worse?

jscummy ,

It’s only 165k but who on earth is importing Russian wine in France?

tal ,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

guesses

Russian restaurants in France?

googles

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g187147-d718634-Reviews-La_Cantine_Russe-Paris_Ile_de_France.html

La Cantine Russe

European,Russian, Eastern European

googles for a wine menu

https://cdn.eat-list.fr/establishment/menu/gallery_menu/75016-paris-16/la-cantine-russe_2679_40b.jpg

Yeah, they have Russian wines listed. Under the champagne section, but I'm assuming that that's a listing error, given that France has a bit of a spat with Russia over what constitutes champagne.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57733684

France has hit back at a new Russian law ordering French champagne makers to label their bottles as sparkling wine.

France has strict rules protecting its bubbly, meaning to be called champagne it must be from the French region that shares the name.

But under Russia's new law, only local producers can call their drinks "shampanskoye" - the Russian equivalent of champagne.

France's main champagne industry group called the law "unacceptable".

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Maybe it is code for something less vile, like irradiated soil.

SheeEttin ,

That doesn’t count alcohol produced and consumed domestically. While they might import a lot, they might produce more and drink it themselves.

tal ,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, true, but I wasn't trying so much to find whether there was a lot of alcohol being consumed. My aim was more to see whether Russia was a net importer or exporter, since the claim was that alcohol producers [outside Russia] would be upset with the Russian sanctions, that it would cut the producers off from the Russian market.

However, if Russia were a net exporter and you are an alcohol producer, then it'd be removing more competition than it would be closing off markets; producers would likely benefit.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I see not too many people outside of Russia are desperate enough to drink Russian wine, but more than I thought.

NotAnonymousAtAll , (edited )

Link to full list: sanctions.nazk.gov.ua/en/boycott/

With Unilever, Mondelez and Procter & Gamble on that list, shopping for groceries and hygiene products might get complicated if you actually want to boycott all of them.

Feels weird to not see Nestlé on a list of big (food) companies doing questionable things.

firebreathingbunny ,

Nazis are going to stink.

raltoid ,

Mondelez and Unilever has their fingers in in so much stuff that even if you’re trying to boycott them you probably aren’t.

For reference here is an incomplete list of Mondelez brands:

  • 5 Star
  • Cadbury
  • Clorets
  • Côte d’Or
  • Daim
  • Freia
  • Halls
  • Marabou (chocolate)
  • Maynards Bassetts
  • Milka
  • Nabisco
  • Philadelphia Cream Cheese
  • Royal Baking Powder Company
  • Sour Patch Kids
  • Stride (gum)
  • Tang
  • Toblerone
  • Twisties
  • Velveeta
  • Vizzolini

Some major subcompanies:

  • Kraft Foods - All the groceries they produce
  • Nabisco - Belvita, Chips Ahoy!, Nutter Butter, Oreo, Ritz Crackers, Shredded Wheat, Triscuit, Wheat thins, etc.

And much more.

Unilever brands they own or control part of(Will be very incomplete, since they own an insane amount of companies):

  • Ben & Jerry’s
  • Breyers
  • Calippo
  • Fudgesicle
  • Klondike
  • Popsicle
  • Weis
* Wall’s
  • Knorr
  • Hellman’s
  • Maizena
  • Pfanni
* Pot Noodle
  • Jif/Cif
  • Lipton
  • Comfort
* Omo
  • Axe
  • Brylcreem
  • Clear
  • Close-Up
  • Dollar Shave Club
  • Dove
  • Elida Beauty
  • Lux/Caress
  • Noxzema
  • Pepsodent
  • Pond’s
  • Q-Tips
  • Radox
  • Rexona/Degree
  • Schimdt’s Natural
  • Seventh Generation
  • Signal
  • Simple
  • Thermasilk
  • Vaseline

Loads more, in addition to many of them, like Elide Beuaty, have multiple sub-companies/brands.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

Ben & Jerry’s was shocking. I don’t eat their ice cream or follow them, but from their online presence it seemed like they were privately owned by the “good guys.”

Is Patagonia still safe?

Echo71Niner ,
@Echo71Niner@kbin.social avatar

Ukraine's desperation drives them to devise the most unconventional approaches to garner support. They seem to have overlooked the weapon manufacturers who have a vested interest in prolonging the war in Ukraine and everywhere for their own financial gain, yet he never mentions them.

Liv2themax ,

Oh I think they have derided the Russian weapons industry plenty. One could even call the reaction “explosive”.

justgohomealready ,

Fuck Russia and fuck you.

rockSlayer ,

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    KevonLooney ,

    You seem like you don’t understand arms sales at all. Countries buy arms in peacetime too. In fact, they have more money to buy arms in peacetime because their countries are not being exploded. Guns and ammo have limited lifetimes and need to be replaced relatively often. Also, lots of training happens during peacetime.

    Ongoing war is bad for business because it makes people interested in peace. Nothing promotes peace like seeing the aftermath of a battle.

    rockSlayer ,

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    Echo71Niner ,
    @Echo71Niner@kbin.social avatar

    Weapon manufacturers won't let Ukraine war end, its a cash cow.

    rockSlayer ,

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    magnetosphere ,
    @magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

    Nah, they’ll let it end. They want a war where at least one of the governments involved is rich.

    firebreathingbunny ,

    The US is rich.

    SheeEttin ,

    Probably because they’re relying on those weapons to stay alive

    MelastSB ,

    My God! I knew it! Both Putin and Zelensky are controlled by the Global Military Industrial Complex!

    can ,

    duh

    SamsonSeinfelder ,

    What I’m feeling

    It’s never been so easy

    When I’m dreaming

    Summer Offensive dreaming

    (Fuck Barcadi for that stance)

    Kamikazimatt ,

    Which is crazy considering the Bacardi family had to escape from Cuba because of Castro’s takeover. So you’d think if any company would be against a hostile takeover, it would be them.

    firebreathingbunny ,

    The US has been waging a hostile takeover of ethnic Russian areas of the Ukraine since 2014. Russia's special operation is primarily a defensive measures against this act of genocide.

    haohao ,

    This BS again… I guess Americans annexed Crimea too

    firebreathingbunny ,

    Genocide is not BS. Genocide denial is.

    M0oP0o ,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    Pot to kettle much? What do you think russia is doing right now?

    Edit to add: russia has admitted it wants to erase the Ukrainian identity itself. en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181 <a href=""></a>

    firebreathingbunny ,

    I already described what Russia is doing right now. Learn to read.

    M0oP0o ,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    You described something?

    haohao ,

    I’m not denying genocides. One of those was Holodomor, and another one started in 2022 by russia.

    M0oP0o ,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    Well 2014 really. Also super happy the genocide is going so poorly.

    haohao ,

    I don’t think that their(russian) actions in 2014-2022 can be considered as a genocide. Terrorism and war crimes on the other hand…

    M0oP0o ,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    They tried/are trying to destroy any Ukrainian identity in occupied areas. I think that counts and did not just start in 2022.

    firebreathingbunny ,

    You are not only denying genocide but also denying that you are denying genocide.

    whats_a_refoogee ,

    That means the same thing, moron.

    If he agreed that he was denying a genocide, then he would be acknowledging that there is a genocide, which is the opposite of denying it.

    firebreathingbunny ,

    It's not the same thing. He was engaged in one level of denial before, now it's two. You're confused.

    M0oP0o ,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    Oh and fun fact, do you know who does deny a genocide? That is right it is putin! In fact it is the russian stance that the holodomor never happened.

    In fact they do not like when people ever bring it up: reuters.com/…/russia-condemns-german-parliament-d… <a href=""></a>

    firebreathingbunny ,

    You just denied the genocide that I called out.

    M0oP0o ,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

    No we just called you on bullshit. russia has been pulling out the russiaphobia card since the USSR fell. They did it in Georga, Transnistria, Abkhazia, Dagestan, Chechnya and Ukraine.

    firebreathingbunny ,

    You are still denying genocide.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Ok Vladimir

    firebreathingbunny ,

    You are incapable of understanding truth independently of fealty. You are telling on yourself.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    Come talk to me some more when ukraine invades russia TWICE in less than a decade.

    Crimea was one thing, they wanted to be independent when the Soviet union fell.

    This is just a full scale land grab, but it's okay, one day you will grow up, 13 is a hard age.

    firebreathingbunny ,

    Come talk to me some more when you stop denying genocide.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    That's your comeback? Really?

    Listen if I wanted any comeback I would have asked your mom to open her mouth last night.

    firebreathingbunny ,

    Come talk to me some more when you stop denying genocide.

    Since you came back to talk to me, you have necessarily stopped denying the genocide that the US and Ukrainians have been waging on ethnic Russians since 2014.

    This concludes our exchange. Bye.

    EnderWi99in ,

    "The Ukraine" all you had to say for us to know you're a Russian shill. Be gone sir!

    firebreathingbunny ,

    It's just proper English.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@mastodon.social avatar

    @firebreathingbunny @MicroWave @SamsonSeinfelder @Kamikazimatt @EnderWi99in

    And you support the Russian invasion.

    Case closed.

    firebreathingbunny ,

    I support the Russian special operation against the US, Ukraine, and Nazi perpetrated genocide of ethnic Russians.

    Case closed indeed.

    EnderWi99in ,

    In what universe can you draw that conclusion? I support Ukraine defending against it. This would all be over if Russia just, you know, fucked off back to its own land. So no, I don't support the Russian invasion. Nice try again there comrade. Slava Ukraini!

    RootBeerGuy ,
    @RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Well its easy. That time it affected them. This time it’s not. Also money.

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