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Poot ,
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I was hoping that getting the vaccine would let me shoot Jewish Space Lasers out of my eyes, but all the vaccine did for me was make me ruin my credit cards every time I try to swipe them! 😕

joel_feila ,
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https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/77aa2bd6-96d3-47d9-9850-1d3010858685.jpeg

Wow If I had a nickle for every time I got to use this meme I would have 2 nickles. That is not a lot but it is wired that it happened twice

nomadjoanne ,

Lol. I have an aunt that insists they build 5g antennas in your body. Also (somehow) a doctor.

While I still think caution around these mRNA vaccines is warranted, this ain’t the reason.

HikingVet ,

What are your concerns?

PetDinosaurs ,

Agreed. What are the concerns?

While we always have to do the science, mRNA vaccines basically come off as the most minimally invasive and likely the safest way to formulate any vaccine that can work like this.

My feeling is that there just has not been enough education about how such a vaccine actually works.

FlashMobOfOne ,
@FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

Good.

The medical community needs to come down harder on these people, if you ask me. It’s not a free speech matter when junk science is being proliferated and causing people’s deaths, and there should be professional and legal consequences for people who do this.

MSids ,

‘Sherri Tenpenny, an osteopathic doctor who says she’s been researching for 21 years vaccine adverse events, testified before a legislative committee this week that people can stick keys, spoons and forks to their foreheads after getting the coronavirus vaccine possibly because they’ve been magnetized.’

Yeah keys are brass or nickel and brass. Both are non-ferrous.

madcaesar ,

Don’t believe this comment! He’s been compromised by big magnet!

fadhl3y ,

She was brave enough to stand up to big magnetism.

PolyLlamaRous ,

It is irrelevant, but some (not all) of my keys here in Germany are magnetic. I know because I have a magnet board for my keys to hang on. That being said, she’s fucking crazy. It’s a simple test that you can disprove… and if this was true, oh God what MRI machine would do to someone. If they were so strongly magnetic that things could stuck to the, they would be torn apart.

OppositeOfOxymoron ,

Was going to get an MRI on my brain, but was worried about the steel clip that was used for my vasectomy. The tech said, “Just let us know if you feel anything tingle once you get in the room.” I literally walked into the room with both hands firmly on my junk, knowing full well that it wouldn’t change anything.

Long story short, the metal clips they use are non-ferrous. :)

Pierre121000 ,
@Pierre121000@lemmy.ml avatar

Wow, the famous “free world”

kameecoding ,

she is not in jail is she?

Pierre121000 ,
@Pierre121000@lemmy.ml avatar

She wasn’t simply not invited anymore is she ?

milkjug ,

Big Magnet once again tries to silence the truth!1!

Double_A ,
@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

To be fair an osteopathic doctor is barely even a doctor to begin with… more like a glorified masseuse.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I was told by multiple MD holders that DOs and MDs were basically the same at this point. Were they being polite?

rusticus ,

There are plenty of outstanding DOs and many poor MDs. But it is a fact that you need better qualifications to get into MD school.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I am not taking a position on this, I am just asking. When you say qualifications what are they? Like they didn’t take a single math class or they didn’t take multiple biology courses?

PlantDadManGuy ,

Generally a better GPA or more prestigious college diploma. Perhaps more research experience depending on the MD school. Most of all it’s just the fact that MD schools have been around longer and developed more of a reputation so they can pick and choose their candidates, and it’s historically been the case that when some students get rejected from MD school they will turn around and apply for DO school.

rusticus ,

This is correct

afraid_of_zombies ,

I see, that wasn’t what I was expecting to read. Well, thank you for answering.

rusticus ,

GPA, MCAT scores and intangibles.

NielsBohron ,
@NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe.

Although, medical doctors are also known to be severely lacking in skepticism and understanding of the scientific method (much like engineers), so depending on the doctor you talked to, they might actually believe it.

Source: anecdotal, but I’ve spent my entire adult life in higher ed chemistry departments taking classes with and then teaching premeds, and it’s a real thing. Med school does nothing to alleviate this, being focused as it is on basically troubleshooting a single particularly complicated and poorly designed machine.

Edit: here are a few studies that corroborate my experience, although they’re far from comprehensive ( Source 1 and Source 2)

somethingp ,

I just want to emphasize that the two studies you’ve linked to are not for US graduate DOs/MDs. One is for practicing physicians in Israel and the other is 1st year medical students in India. Not sure about the Israeli medical education, but in India a medical degree (mbbs) is an undergraduate degree. So looking at 1st year medical students is the equivalent of a fresh high school graduate. I would be interested to know what this looks like in the US because a large part of medical education is built around research, at least early in training. Everyone has varying aptitude and interest in research (like anything else), but you’d be hard pressed to find a US trained MD/DO who has become licensed in the last 20 years and has never done any research. It might surprise you to know that most of medicine is, in fact, evidence based which requires us to learn how to interpret said evidence. Both for when we need to make decisions about applying research to our own practice, as well as for answering patient questions about things they might’ve come across on Google, MD.

NielsBohron , (edited )
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So, since my sources are fairly small focused studies, I assume you have sources that are more comprehensive, right? Because I found these after less than 30s of searching, and a couple more minutes yielded a multitude of articles and op-eds from medical and scientific journals that all agree that MDs are not scientists. Like this one. Or this one. Or this one, which talks about how physicians do not apply proper levels of scientific thinking to new treatments in

So, I think it’s safe to say that applying evidence-based research is not the same as understand the scientific method or having a healthy level of skepticism.

slackassassin ,

This comment is severely out of line and admittedly anecdotal.

“Medical doctors are also known to be severely lacking in skepticism and the scientific method (much like engineers)”

That is a broad and ignorant statement that is as outlandish as it is contrived.

skullone ,

Found the MD. /s

GCostanzaStepOnMe ,

Hm yes outlandish and contrived, I concur.

NielsBohron , (edited )
@NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

Lol, ok. Then why do the editors at numerous medical journals and other science writers agree with me? Like this one, that concludes that medical doctors are far too quick to abandon scientific skepticism in favor of new treatments. Or this one, which argues that doctors ascribe too much importance to one-off studies. Or this one, which flat out states that doctors do not think like scientists.

Outlandish and contrived, my ass. Just because you like to believe doctors can think like scientists doesn’t make it so. If you disagree, feel free to provide sources.

slackassassin ,

Your ass, indeed. You said they severely lack an understanding of the scientific method and lack skepticism. Those are wild and ridiculous claims, and the commentaries you link do not even prove them.

Just because you think every doctor is incapable of using/understanding the scientific method does not make it so.

There are doctors who do medical research, as well as engineers, that is a fact. Not to mention the scientific method othen applies in daily practice, inherently.

There’s a difference between saying that not all MD are physician scientists and need to better apply their fundamental principles, verses claiming that doctors don’t understand the scientific method.

NielsBohron ,
@NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

Just because you think every doctor is incapable of using/understanding the scientific method does not make it so.

I didn’t say every doctor. I said that doctors in general and medical education as a whole are lacking in understanding of and curriculum supporting skepticism and the scientific method.

Those are wild and ridiculous claims, and the commentaries you link do not even prove them.

Correct. They do not provide conclusive proof. But when educators and editors of scholarly journals both agree with the premise that medicine is not science and physicians do not apply proper scientific rigor in the course of their work, it’s fairly suggestive, don’t you think? Especially in the absence of any sources with claims to the contrary. After all, I’ve yet to see you provide a single source…

But while you look, you could consider these commentaries that look into the lack of fundamental science education in modern and historical medical education (Source 1, Source 2, and Source 3)

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

As most med schools it’s the same program, maybe a few different classes. From a courtroom perspective, there is no difference and their opinions carry equal weight; residency and specialized training after med school is what counts.

TheMusicalFruit ,

This is not true.

somethingp ,

My background: I’m a medical student (MD school), in a combined MD/PhD program. I’ve completed my PhD and am in the last year of the MD.

I think you might be confusing DO’s with chiropractors. Most DO’s go through the same licensing exams and residencies as MDs. Some of the other comments are true that MD schools can be more difficult to get in to, but this has to do with their performance in undergraduate education. By the end of their respective programs, MDs and DOs are usually competing for the same residency programs using the same board exams.

Kage520 ,

I think you are thinking of a chiropractor. DO’s are legitimately the same as an MD in practice. My experience working in an office with two MDs and two DOs was the DOs tend to be more personable, and the MDs feel more book smart. But they both see the same patients and do the same job in the same office.

And keep in mind my experience was just with 4 total people, so it could be just that office.

Weirdbeardgame ,
@Weirdbeardgame@lemmy.ml avatar

Don’t worry guys, Ohio’s a totally normal place

Yeah they need to remove the licenses of nut jobs like this

mateomaui ,

good, because if that bullshit were true, I wouldn’t be dropping spoons all the time.

Teritz ,

Ohio is based

EternalNicodemus ,
@EternalNicodemus@lemmy.world avatar

Only on Ohio!

bentropy ,

That’s no world news, that’s cleveland news. Please post content that’s relevant to the world.

thereisalamp ,

I disagree, Sheri Tenpenny has been among the most damaging voices in the antivax arena since it began. This is a relevant as Andrew Wakefield losing his license. Her claims are used worldwide by the anti Vax, covid denying nut jobs.

Just because it happened in Ohio doesn’t mean it is limited to Ohio.

Cybermass ,

I have no idea who Andrew Wakefield is, I honestly think making news articles about these people is just giving them more of a platform, and something to point at and be like “SEE THEY ARE OUT TO GET ME!! IM THE VICTIM”.

Dumb anti vaxxers are everywhere but I doubt an antivaxxer in Bangladesh knows who these people are. Also the whole anti vax thing died out after restrictions were relaxed and it’s barely important news hearing more of this bullshit we’ve heard about for years when it’s less relevant than ever.

Not global news IMO.

TheOctonaut ,

Andrew Wakefield is literally the modern origin of the vaccine-damage myth so if you don’t know who that is, you probably aren’t a good judge of whether this Ohio doctor is notable or not.

Like, I don’t think she is in that category, but you have explicitly made your own opinion moot, because you might as well have said “Seagulls? Never heard of them. Stick to birds everyone in the world would know, please”.

thereisalamp ,

She did world wide tours peddling her 5g magnetic crap. She’s literally the source of that rumor and it is world wide.

Is she as notorious as Wakefield? No, but he’s got 10 years on her in the bullshit arena.

Is it the most notable world event at the moment? Also no, but she is a global figure.

Cybermass ,

This is such a bad argument.

“You don’t know who this one conspiracy theorist is so clearly your incapable of understanding that we need to make news about fucking nutjobs everytime they are a nutjobs so that they get more exposure”

How is it even news that she lost her job which she obviously should have lost?

“Hey guys, we got some hot news! The surgeon who fainted whenever he saw blood lost his job!”

Wow thanks for the news, very exciting, very unexpected, it’s totally gonna change things on a global scale for the foreseeable future. Nothing more world changing than someone getting fired for incompetency.

thereisalamp , (edited )

This is such a bad take.

You’re not the arbitor of news. Being able to discredit her is important to a lot of people who have lost friends and family to get quackery.

To some of us, any argument you can use to bring those you love, people who are once upon a time intelligent, rational creatures, back into reality is important.

Her being disgraced may give her another 15 seconds of happiness, but it’s another point of argument. It won’t be a winning point for everyone, but it can be a tipping point for some.

You much think it’s bad journalism, but you’re not the arbiter for everyone. So, since you like to put your head on the sand and be ignorant about the people who spread dangerous medical misinformation, the kind that lead to mobs in Spain trying to pull down cellular towers, scroll past and keep doing that while the rest of us talk about seagulls

Cybermass , (edited )

I know I’m not the fucking arbiter of news my dude I literally said IMO.

IMO = in my opinion

There you go, you learned something new. I’m not a mod I’m not calling for this post to be removed I’m just saying in MY OPINION it’s not global news.

Edit: to add onto this point I appreciate that you think it might change some people’s opinions on this anti vaxx stuff but after dealing with my mom’s anti vaxx bullshit I really think anyone who’s dumb enough to believe in this shit won’t be swayed by someone losing their medical license they will just point to it and be like “SEE THE GOVERNMENTS ARE TRYING TO SUPPRESS US! ITS A CONSPIRACY!!”

Every time something like this is in the news my mum just believes her crazy shit even more. It gives credibility that the news and government are colluding somehow.

jasondj ,

Jackdaws are crows change my mind.

afraid_of_zombies ,

He is the vaccines cause autism guy. He lost his medical license.

Cybermass ,

Ahhh gotcha thanks, I probably won’t remember the name though to be honest.

afraid_of_zombies , (edited )

Wake = the thing we do when Catholic kids die from not being vaccinated

Field = place we put dead kids after they die from not being vaccinated.

Now, you will always remember.

tal ,
@tal@kbin.social avatar

Andrew Wakefield

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born September 3, 1956)[3][4][a] is a British anti-vaccine activist, former physician, and discredited academic who was struck off the medical register for his involvement in The Lancet MMR autism fraud, a 1998 study that fraudulently claimed a link between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism. He has subsequently become known for anti-vaccination activism. Publicity around the 1998 study caused a sharp decline in vaccination uptake, leading to a number of outbreaks of measles around the world.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Cleveland doesn’t matter

poopsmith ,
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Is there a rule saying this community is only for world news? Most other posts here aren’t world news.

There is another community explicitly for world news, !world

stopthatgirl7 OP ,
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You’re right; it’s not world news. That’s why I didn’t post it in the world news community, but in the news community.

Perhaps you’d prefer to follow the world news community instead of the news one, if that’s specifically what you’re looking for?

Fredselfish ,
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Its the NEWs community this is News so it belongs here. If you want only world news then follow that community.

bentropy ,

It’s the news community on lemmy.world. Should we all start posting our local news?

stopthatgirl7 OP ,
@stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

The irony here is, this isn’t even “local news” to me - I’m not from Ohio and I haven’t lived in America for 20 years.

legion ,
@legion@lemmy.world avatar

My watch has stopped

Zardoz ,

I wanna be magnetized! I think my vaccines were defective.

jelyfride ,

Seriously- how is this not a selling point?

terry_ducks ,

Next you’ll be telling me that my ass will fall off if i unscrew my belly button.

got to get the lint out of it first.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

Good. Wtf?

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