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Son_of_dad ,

Shakespeare is never taught properly in school anyways. I always hated it. They teach plays by making you read and analyze. That’s like taking a film course and reading the scripts but never watching the movies.

Once you watch Shakespeare as intended, on a stage but nothing fancy, by actors who don’t take themselves too seriously, it clicks. But reading the plays as a teenager is just dumb.

stopthatgirl7 OP ,
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I was so glad one of my high school teacher had us watch movies after we read a play. The best was her having us watch Throne of Blood after we finished Macbeth.

keeb420 ,

I pray you didn't have to watch the modern remake of Romeo and juliet like I did.

snooggums ,
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Romeo + Juliet is the only version I enjoy.

stopthatgirl7 OP ,
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Say what you will about it, you can’t say that Harold Perrineau didn’t absolutely nail the role of Mercutio.

Pixlbabble ,

This thing? www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VBsi0VxiLg

afraid_of_zombies ,

My school would have his read a portion ourselves, then we would follow along to the audio while rereading it, and for bonus points you could read a speech from it to the class at the end.

Maybe not perfect but I do remember Julius Ceaser.

AnarchistArtificer ,

I enjoyed English class in school, but in the years during and after university, I’ve come to realise just how much I was missing out. I used to think Shakespeare was overrated, but now I see the big deal

Pixlbabble ,

Am I the only who doesn’t give an eff about Shakespeare? Sure I love the history of it all, but there’s too much good shit to read that doesn’t involve an annoying archaic English and will never use it again unless you do plays in the park.

Vrijgezelopkamers ,
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Except that apart from maybe the bible, there is probably not a single literary body of work that is as often refered to as Shakespeare’s in western media, literature, movies, series, games … you name it. It’ll help you appreciate A LOT of other stuff a lot more if you get into it a little. Shakespeare is used and reused everywhere, all the time.

Pixlbabble ,

Sure I see it all the time with different mediums and not just with Shakespeare. You don’t need to know or enjoy the original to love something newer. Outside of History or English majors why do I need to read something that reads so dumb when I read it. Sure I can be a fool or someone who just doesn’t like the style.

Zombiepirate ,
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It’s fair to say that something is not for you, but Shakespeare is more than just old stories; they connect our culture back to its literary foundations. Of course one doesn’t have to know the original to love something newer; that was true in Billy Shake’s day too, since he stole those stories from history and mythology and put a new twist on them.

There is value in studying the classics: it is a lens through which we can examine a distant culture’s values, beliefs, drives, weaknesses, prejudice, and motivations to better reflect on our own. It is a cause worth pursuing, even if there’s no direct payoff. For better or worse, these rich and vibrant stories are part of our cultural canon and were written by a master storyteller and poet.

afraid_of_zombies ,

That classics standardized test to me is a bit to consider. If I were a classics professor I would be sounding the alarm about being dragged over to the conservative side. If nothing else to stop my field from being guilty by association.

Aristotle is not on the GOP side. He was on his side. Stop reframing him. Stop claiming him. If you want to know what he said than read it.

eestileib ,

Classics has been a bastion of white conservatism my entire life. I think the number of people in that field who disagree with DeSantis on much of anything is quite small.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I haven’t observed that.

fiat_lux ,

Lol isn't returning to Shakespeare half the point of Florida's new SAT replacement test that is created by hard-core Catholics? The "classical tradition" is the shit, so I was led to believe.

Diplomjodler ,

They haven’t read any of the classics. Just like they haven’t read the bible.

TurboDiesel ,
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Gotta love teaching for a test, rather than to educate.

4am ,
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Except they teaching to a purity test now

Zombiepirate ,
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Here’s an excerpt from They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45, an analysis of the causes and destructive path of Fascism before and during WWII. A high school teacher who joined the party to cover for his anti-Nazi past is talking about which Shakespeare plays he could teach:

“Tell me, Herr Hildebrandt, what about Julius Caesar?”

He smiled very, very wryly. “Julius Caesar? No… no.”

“Was it forbidden?”

“Not that I remember. But that is not the way it was. Everything was not regulated specifically, ever. It was not like that at all. Choices were left to the teacher’s discretion, within the ‘German spirit.’ That was all that was necessary; the teacher had only to be discreet. If he himself wondered at all whether anyone would object to a given book, he would be wise not to use it.

This was a much more powerful form of intimidation, you see, than any fixed list of acceptable or unacceptable writings. The way it was done was, from the point of view of the regime, remarkably clever and effective. The teacher had to make the choices and risk the consequences; this made him all the more cautious.”

MasterObee ,

The decision is aimed at better performance on state tests

Fucking good. We’ve constantly spent more than our peer countries on public education, but our quality of education is trash. I don’t know if it’s the bloated admin state, the desire to constantly try to teach new things in various ways then ditching the programs after 2 years, or just overall incompetence, but our education system is incredibly well funded, but doing shitty.

It’s like watching the angels buy the 2 best players in baseball and have a .500 record…except the U.S. school system is playing more like the A’s

MammyWhammy ,

Because the last time the county focused on testing as a metric of school performance went so well…

MasterObee ,

What are you referring to

antizero99 ,

Bushy jr with no child left behind. It actually left a lot of kids behind because they were kicked out of school so they didn’t bring test averages down

MasterObee ,

I didn’t know it kicked kids out of school, I thought that policy was to just keep kids moving onto the next grade despite being inadequate.

eestileib ,

Probably No Child Left Behind which was a disaster.

Cameli_Hostis ,
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“Come, come, you wasp; i’ faith, you are too angry.

Katherine: If I be waspish, best beware my sting.

Petruchio: My remedy is then, to pluck it out.

Katherine: Ay, if the fool could find where it lies.

Petruchio: Who knows not where a wasp does wear his sting? In his tail.

Katherine: In his tongue.

Petruchio: Whose tongue?

Katherine: Yours, if you talk of tails: and so farewell.

Petruchio: What, with my tongue in your tail? Nay, come again, Good Kate; I am a gentleman.”

FlyingSquid ,
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OH FOR FUCK’S SAKE! EVEN FUCKING SHAKESPEARE IS TOO “WOKE” FOR THEM!

God damn, I shouldn’t let them piss me off so much, but this is craziness.

Sharpiemarker ,

They 100% want to turn the US into a white ethnostate. Writing LGBTQIA+ people out of existence along with forcing us into a caste system is part of the plan.

FlyingSquid ,
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Yeah, but Shakespeare was a white, (probably) heterosexual Englishman who mostly just wrote about other white people. How much more ethnic whiteness do they want?

It’s Othello, isn’t it? They’re objecting to Othello.

afraid_of_zombies ,

You really can’t perform Taming of the Shrew without someone in drag.

For anyone who don’t know the first scene involves a servant boy being dressed up as a woman and pretending to be this guy’s wife. Which he remains in. It is very funny and given that all women roles were played by men in drag that must of had the original audiences in stitches seeing the 4th wall being broken.

Alexstarfire ,

Don’t forget the slavery too.

mercano ,
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Ron DeSantis, I bite my thumb at thee.

nightwatch_admin ,

In a way, it’s fascinating to see the fall of the Roman Empire, 21st century edition.

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