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cybervseas ,

“The young man was not dangling from a tree. He was not swinging from a tree. The rope was wrapped around his neck. It was not a noose. There was not a knot in the rope, so therefore, it was not a lynching here in Vance County.”

Umm, are you saying it wasn’t a lynching on a technicality? Everyone in the south must be Olympic level mental gymnasts. In particular to say there’s no evidence of foul play, at least.

This is like Russian dissidents falling out of windows or down stairs.

AbouBenAdhem , (edited )

The legal definitions can be far removed from normal usage: in California “lynching” is when a crowd forcibly removes a suspect from police custody, which historically was often a prelude to what we would recognize as actual lynching (presumably it was defined that way so participants could be charged even if they were stopped before harming the victim). But it’s been used in more recent times to charge protesters with “lynching” for interfering with the arrest of other protesters.

unemployedclaquer ,

That is interesting that it has bespoke legal definitions. The Wikipedia entry is what I expected

Lynching is an extrajudicial killing by a group. It is most often used to characterize informal public executions by a mob in order to punish an alleged transgressor, punish a convicted transgressor, or intimidate people. It can also be an extreme form of informal group social control, and it is often conducted with the

catloaf ,

Yes, legal definitions vary a lot by jurisdiction. “Assault and battery” is probably the most varied. Some places they’re two separate things.

andyburke , (edited )
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He said Magee went to a nearby Walmart shortly before he died. That is where he is believed to have bought the rope found around his neck.

If this young man bought the rope himself, if there is evidence of this like surveillance video, that paints this situation in a pretty different light.

Edit: I want to be very clear that the police should be presenting any evidence they have of this. I would not take the police at their word. My comment here hinges on the report being true.

nonailsleft ,

Ho ho ho seems we got our gold medalist right here

dohpaz42 ,
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Call it what you will, it’s a travesty and should be taken very seriously. But, this is the south, and most southerners love to mince words; especially when it comes to race and politics.

RamblingPanda ,

“Special strangulation operation”

ColeSloth ,

Read between the lines, from what they revealed.

His feet were on the ground.

He bought the rope himself.

He was found not far from his semi.

The rope was wrapped around his neck and not tied together.

The guy was doing some self choking to get off. His “safety” was thinking that if he blacked out the rope would drop off him, but it didn’t work.

spankmonkey ,

Or intentional suicide. Hard to know at this point since all three can end with a body and a rope around the neck.

spankmonkey ,

Brame told ABC11 that there were no signs of foul play in Magee’s death.

Suicide and lynching can look similar. The officer said no signs of foul play first, then got a little too technical on the details of lynching as a response to speculation which probabky contained those details.

Yes, the response about specific details sounds ridiculous in a vacuum. But keep in mind that what he is saying is also a way to describe why a suicide isn’t a lynching.

At least the police are reaching out to an external agency to hopefully provide some conformation on the circumstances.

CriticalMiss ,

This could be funny if it wasn’t so sad. Reminds me of the episode in The Wire where the various departments wouldn’t take responsibility over the dead girls in the can because of they could t pinpoint where exactly they died and when. They care too much for the state. God forbid there’s a lynching and instead of admitting they have a problem they focus on cooking the stats.

finickydesert ,
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I got a lot of negative comments I could make; I will not. The only comment I will make will be that I hope he has evidence it isn’t.

RoidingOldMan ,

I can see why the sheriff doesn’t want to rush to call it lynching when there isn’t evidence of lynching specifically. BUT it appears to be a horrific and violent crime that surely should be their first priority. Sheriff’s statement is downplaying the whole thing.

Maeve ,

No defensive wounds, if the sheriff''s office isn't lying.

saltesc ,

Well, they themselves are bringing in the SBI and Attorney General’s Office. If they’re lying, they just fucked themselves hard for no reason.

It seems they’re actually being extremely thorough.

TrickDacy ,
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Well yes if they had said “by technicality this is not a lynching, but it certainly smells like one” I don’t think we’d be thinking the sheriff is fucked in the head. But he didn’t say that

ColeSloth ,

There are 50,000 suicides a year in the US and only 22,000 murders, but y’all suspect it’s more likely a guy with his feet on the ground, a rope not even tied, no defensive wounds, and a rope he bought himself, is a murder victim instead of the far outnumbering suicides.

RoidingOldMan ,

What was the rope for if it was a suicide? Seeing that we know he wasn’t hung by it.

ColeSloth ,

What do you mean we know he wasn’t hung by it? What gave you that idea? The rope was tied to a tree and he was hanging. Just not so high that his feet couldn’t be on the ground. Read up about how Kung fu star David Carradine died.

RoidingOldMan ,

The article makes it sound like he was tied to the trunk of a tree, not hanging from a branch, and also that there was no knot in the rope. I’m definitely having trouble putting those details together into suicide or murder or lynching, the whole thing is very odd.

match ,
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you thinking he choked himself to death with an untied rope?

ColeSloth ,

Yep. 21 year old truck driver…probably did it accidentally just like David Carradine did.

Figure he thought wrapping it a few times around his neck would just come undone if he accidentally blacked out and let it go. Sounds like it didn’t.

saltesc ,

This should be an interesting one for seeing who reads articles and who reads just headlines.

Mog_fanatic , (edited )

So… Pretty much everyone then? Lol

Now I’m actually wondering what that percentage would be like.

PugJesus ,

Obviously the investigation should be thorough to rule out alternatives, especially considering the history of such racist crimes, but it may legitimately be a suicide.

Tja ,

It’s only lynching if it’s commited in the Lynch region of the deep south. Otherwise it’s just sparkling hate crime.

ColeSloth ,

People overblowing shit like wild.

He bought the rope, and pd will only say so much to the public. They’ll tell the family.

From what has been revealed, there’s two really obvious likelihoods. Suicide, and auto erotic asphyxiation. With the rope just being wrapped around his neck and him not up in the air, I’m leaning towards the latter. Bet he was thinking the rope would unwind if he blacked out, but it didn’t.

spankmonkey ,

Also possible that someone could have murdered him with his own rope, and left him in a way that looked like a suicide. Definitely something that needs time to investigate further.

ColeSloth ,

Ok. It’s possible. But what’s more likely? Suicide outpaces murder by 2.5 times, and suicide for truckers is even higher. Plus, how he was describes as being found sounds like auto erotic asphyxiation. Feet on ground, rope not tied.

catloaf ,

Possible, but sounds less likely to me.

spankmonkey ,

Yes, it is less likely, but still possible so a full investigation is needed. The point is that it looks like multiple things.

ZeroCool OP , (edited )

People overblowing shit like wild.

He bought the rope

They need to release the video of him making the purchase. They claim to have it but refuse to release it. There is no reason not to. So until that happens, there’s no reason to believe the cops.

Edit: 🥾😋’s get blocked.

ColeSloth ,

Suicide rate is 2.5 times more likely than murder. There’s currently no reason to not believe them.

I say this because if there wasn’t footage of him buying it, not mentioning it would be the obvious way to go if you were trying to cover up possible foul play. Saying there is footage though; footage that never gets produced screams the opposite.

So if the footage didn’t exist, they never would have even hinted that it does.

lolcatnip ,

Given that the sheriff in question is black, and that he has requested investigations from outside parties, I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt until the investigations are complete.

Bluefalcon ,

I would say this department is full of “bad apples.” You might remember the kid being slammed a few years back. Even if the event was a suicide, the community will always wonder. They like to hid stuff and pay corrupt sheriffs.

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