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ravhall ,

Boeing killed John Barnett

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

What was supposed to be an eight-day stay at the ISS for the astronauts has now turned into eight months.

I mean, that’s probably physically rough on you, but speaking from the standpoint of “only ~116 people have ever been able to be present on this station”, that “this is probably something that they had to work towards for some time to get”, and “the ISS is nearing end-of-life and any replacement has risks associated with it and will be a smaller structure”, I don’t know that eight months on the ISS is the worst thing that could happen to someone.

Nurse_Robot ,

I don’t expect you to have the answers, but is the ISS nearing end of life because of technology, or because of gravitational pull? If it’s the latter, how feasible would it be to attach rockets and drag it further away?

pennomi ,

Mostly due to part fatigue. They regularly reboost it into a higher orbit.

Nurse_Robot ,

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the succinct explanation

jws_shadotak , (edited )

It has little boosters that keep it in orbit. It’s reaching end of life because of other reasons that I’m not sure of.

youtu.be/sI8ldDyr3G0?si=pM0pTAsQtDQMAGaR

Fermion ,

planetary.org/…/why-international-space-station-c…

The ISS has gone through multiple reboosts to gain altitude because there is a small amount of atmospheric drag in its orbit. That’s not the limiting factor though.

The structure is aluminum. Aluminum accumulates fatigue damage every time it flexes. Every time the iss goes from sunlight to the earths shadow, there is significant thermal expansion/contraction. This fatigues the structure. The repeated docking maneuvers also stress the structure. Radiation and atomic oxygen also cause degredation. All those factors are relatively minor in any given year, but are always accumulating. The ISS is getting less safe and the risk of a structural failure is increasing.

On top of that all, a bunch of the systems on board were designed 30 years ago. There have been major changes in communications, power systems, etc. in the time since the modules were built. Even though new experiments are built all the time, they are still constrained by capabilities of the capsules they operate in. So there are also science advantages to moving to a newer platform.

Nurse_Robot ,

What an incredible overview that was both detailed and digestible! I really appreciate it, that makes a lot of sense and answered all my questions

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

I’m still kind of bummed out about losing the space. Like, it took a lot of money and time to get all those components up there.

I had the vague sort of impression in past years that once we had the ISS up there, it’d be permanent in a sort of Ship of Theseus sense – we’d just remove and add modules. Over time, the whole thing would doubtless be replaced, but it’d be done piece-by-piece, rather than just letting it be destroyed and starting anew with a smaller structure, that there’d always be enough demand for a large station in Earth orbit. I was hoping that the modularity would buy something more than just making it easier to bring it up piece-by-piece, but also that persistence.

I mean, take this:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zvezda_(ISS_module)

It was the third module launched to the station, and provided all of the station’s life support systems, some of which are supplemented in the US Orbital Segment (USOS), as well as living quarters for two crew members. It is the structural and functional center of the Russian Orbital Segment (ROS), which is the Russian part of the ISS. Crew assemble here to deal with emergencies on the station.[7][8][9]

Zvezda provided early living quarters, a life support system, a communication system (Zvezda introduced a 10 Mbit/s Ethernet network to the ISS [29]), electrical power distribution, a data processing system, a flight control system, and a propulsion system. These quarters and some, but not all, systems have since been supplemented by additional ISS components.

That module is probably pretty obsolete and needs to be replaced. But…it also means that there is a redundant, if elderly, system for the most-critical station functionality. Let’s say a micrometeor hits the station and creates a bunch of serious problems. They can probably rely on some of the functionality in that module. I mean, if we start over, we don’t have that redundancy. If we want to replace Zvezda, as an individual module, I get that. I’m just a little sad to see a ton of the modules dumped all at once.

Even if someone wanted to do a major redesign, like, expand the size of the modules, I’d still have thought that it’d be easier to create the “new station” area linked to the “old station”, and then just slowly decommission modules on the “old station”.

en.wikipedia.org/…/International_Space_Station

Russia’s new primary research module Nauka docked in July 2021,[94] along with the European Robotic Arm which can relocate itself to different parts of the Russian modules of the station.[95] Russia’s latest addition, the Prichal module, docked in November 2021.[96]

I mean, okay, yes aging, but those are relatively-new modules. If the whole station gets dumped because some of the modules are really old, it’s also throwing out the newer modules.

tal , (edited )
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I guess this summarizes the 2024 take. They don’t really talk about reusing modules on that new Axiom commercial station, and I’d seen that proposed before. But it does describe why they can’t just keep it around, for example.

nasa.gov/faqs-the-international-space-station-tra…

Why did NASA decide to deorbit the space station instead of alternative options?

NASA has examined several options for decommissioning of the International Space Station, including disassembly and return to Earth, boosting to a higher orbit, natural orbital decay with random re-entry, and controlled targeted re-entry to a remote ocean area.

Disassembly and Return to Earth

The space station is a unique artifact whose historical value cannot be overstated. NASA considered this when determining if any part of the station could be salvaged for historical preservation or technical analysis. The station’s modules and truss structure were not designed to be easily disassembled in space. The space station covers an area about the size of a football field, with the initial assembly of the complex requiring 27 space shuttle flights, using the since-retired shuttle’s large cargo bay, and multiple international partner missions, spanning 13 years and 161 extravehicular activities (EVAs), commonly known as spacewalks. Any disassembly effort to safely disconnect and return individual components (such as modules) would face significant logistical and financial challenges, requiring at least an equivalent number of EVAs by space station crew, extensive planning by ground support personnel, and a spacecraft with a capability similar to the space shuttle’s large cargo bay, which does not currently exist. Though large modules are not feasible for return, NASA has engaged with the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum and other organizations to develop a preservation plan for some smaller items from the space station.

Boost to Higher Orbit

NASA evaluated moving the station from its present orbit to a higher orbital regime where its lifetime could be theoretically extended, thereby preserving the spacecraft for future generations. The space station flies at an altitude where Earth’s atmosphere still creates drag and requires regular reboosts to stay in orbit. The station operates in LEO around 257 miles (415 km) in altitude and as a mass of more than 945,000lbs (430,000kg). Depending on solar activity, the station’s orbital lifetime (the time before the station would naturally re-enter from atmospheric drag alone) at this altitude is roughly one-to-two years without reboosts. For this reason, the station cannot remain in orbit indefinitely, as it will naturally fall back to Earth, where an uncontrolled deorbit could pose a threat to people on the ground (see uncontrolled re-entry option).

Space station operations require a full-time crew, and as such, an inability to keep crews onboard would rule out operating at higher altitudes. The cargo and crew vehicles that service the space station are designed and optimized for its current 257 mile (415km) altitude and, while the ability of these vehicles varies, NASA’s ability to maintain crew on the space station at significantly higher altitudes would be severely impacted or even impossible with the current fleet. This includes the international crew and cargo fleet, as Roscosmos assets providing propulsion and attitude control need to remain operational through the boost phase.

Ignoring the requirement of keeping crew onboard, NASA evaluated orbits above the present orbital regime that could extend just the orbital lifetime of the space station. Boosting the International Space Station would require 120-140 m/s delta-V for a 100-year target orbit lifetime and 760 m/s delta-V for a greater than 10,000 year orbit lifetime, in comparison to 57 m/s for a controlled deorbit.

Additionally, ascending to these orbits would require the development of new propulsive and tanker vehicles that do not currently exist. While still currently in development, vehicles such as the SpaceX Starship are being designed to deliver significant amounts of cargo to these orbits; however, there are prohibitive engineering challenges with docking such a large vehicle to the space station and being able to use its thrusters while remaining within space station structural margins. Other vehicles would require both new certifications to fly at higher altitudes and multiple flights to deliver propellant.

The other major consideration when going to a higher altitude is the orbital debris regime at each specified locale. The risk of a penetrating or catastrophic impact to space station (i.e., that could fragment the vehicle) increases drastically above 257miles (415km). While higher altitudes provide a longer theoretical orbital life, the mean time between an impact event decreases from ~51 years at the current operational altitude to less than four years at a 497 mile (800km), ~700-year orbit. This means that the likelihood of an impact leaving station unable to maneuver or react to future threats, or even a significant impact resulting in complete fragmentation, is unacceptably high. NASA has estimated that such an impact could permanently degrade or even eliminate access to low Earth orbit for centuries.

Random v. Controlled Re-entry

The U.S. Government specifies that re-entering spacecraft must meet or exceed a 1-in-10,000 likelihood of public risk due to debris. An inability to meet this specification requires the spacecraft to conduct a controlled deorbit, which is a standard industry practice for spacecraft that exceed the U.S. Government’s safe re-entry requirements unless the spacecraft operates near a disposal orbit, such as a geosynchronous orbit. An uncontrolled deorbit occurs when a spacecraft enters the atmosphere without navigational or propulsive control and is only acceptable when the debris impact risk to the public is small (i.e., a small spacecraft or the structure breaks into small pieces and has a small debris footprint). The International Space Station requires a controlled re-entry because it is very large, and uncontrolled re-entry would result in very large pieces of debris with a large debris footprint, posing a significant risk to the public worldwide. Ensuring the space station is well maintained continues to be the safest operational approach while also planning for deorbit at the space station’s end of life.

The use of existing space station propulsion systems, such as the Roscosmos Progress vehicles, would provide an alternative to an uncontrolled re-entry prior to the arrival of the U.S. Deorbit Vehicle (USDV). However, these systems do not provide sufficient margin to lower the public risk to an acceptable level. The USDV will provide this margin to lower the public risk to U.S. Government standards.

mkwt ,

Here’s another factor: The ISS is in a high inclination orbit that is excellent at overflying most of the US and Russia. Not so great as a base for deep space missions.

mkwt ,

Both of these astronauts were multiple-mission space veterans before they left. They have space shuttle experience. Sunita has prior command experience on ISS. These two are basically the most veteran professionals that NASA has on the roster.

They have now been resupplied with clothing on a Progress module. I think it was like 45 days before that showed up.

They have both stated that they’re happy for more time on orbit, and I’m mostly inclined to believe them.

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

A very concerning headline if you haven’t been following current events.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Alternative headline: “Boeing uses autopilot to return company vehicle while leaving two employees trapped indefinitely.”

ravhall ,

Maybe they will shoot themselves like John Barnett.

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