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Sundial ,

This is like reading a report from the republican party saying democrats are using voter fraud to steal the election and actually believing it.

goferking0 ,

Source trust us bro - idf

Live_Let_Live OP ,

You can translate the document from your side

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/6ecb18d7-b62d-48b1-80a2-8d47a5811174.png

goferking0 ,

The document from idf?

givesomefucks ,

Why would anyone still listen to the IDF?

Or listen to a rightwing Israeli media company that Bibi controlls?

Until 1989, the Jerusalem Post’s political leaning was left-leaning as it supported the ruling Labor Party. After Conrad Black acquired the paper, its political position changed to right-leaning, when Black began hiring conservative journalists and editors. Eli Azur is the current owner of Jerusalem Post. According to Ynetnews, and a Haaretz article, “Benjamin Netanyahu, the Editor in Chief,” in 2017, Azur gave testimony regarding Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s pressure. Current Editor Yaakov Katz was the former senior policy advisor to Naftali Bennett, the former Prime Minister and head of the far-right political party, “New Right.”

mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-jerusalem-post/

Live_Let_Live OP ,

true fuck PLO and hamas also

BlameThePeacock ,

You really doubt that Hamas said this? The IDF can be bad, and still correct at the same time.

Hamas clearly do not care about civilian casualties or they wouldn’t be literally using them as human shields, storing their weapons in civilian locations and housing their militants in civilian buildings.

givesomefucks ,

or they wouldn’t be literally using them as human shields,

Why do people keep repeating that?

Gaza a year ago was one of the most densely populated areas on the planet…

It might even be more densely populated now, despite all the death the survivors are more concentrated.

There’s literally nowhere Hamas could be that doesn’t have civilians around. Which is why leveling city blocks isn’t a feasible strategy.

Like, there’s no other option than around civilians, do you think Gaza has a North Dakota nobody talks about?

BlameThePeacock ,

They keep repeating it because it’s true.

Most densely populated areas on the planet? No… not even close.

The Gaza strip is around 6000 people per square kilometer and only 360 square kilometers, that puts it 5th in the world in terms of population density for entire countries. However, 6000 people per square kilometer is not dense for such a small area. Kolkatta in India is 306 square kilometers, and 29000 people per square kilometer. Bogata in Columbia is the same. Even major cities like Metro Paris is 4000 people per square kilometer and around 700 square kilometers in size.

There’s a difference between “around civilians” and literally storing weapons and living in residential apartment buildings and residential homes. There are absolutely places in Gaza that are open space where they could set up. Go look at a satellite map of the Gaza strip, there’s farm land, there’s industrial zones, there’s small chunks of just nothing. Hamas is actively choosing to setup in residential areas because it’s part of the “Guerilla Warfare 101” handbook.

givesomefucks ,

The urban area around Gaza City is home to nearly 2 million people living in an 88-square-mile expanse, which is about 21,000 people per square mile, according to data from an annual Demographia report. Demographia looks at the urban footprint of cities to calculate density, as opposed to official administrative boundaries.

Within Gaza City, the population density is over 500 people per 100 square meters in many sections, according to data from the European Commission. Other areas of the Gaza Strip, such as Khan Yunis and the Nuseirat refugee camp, are also tightly packed, with over 250 people per 100 square meters in many places, and as high as over 400 people per 100 square meters in the refugee camp, according to the data.

While the Demographia report found Gaza City isn’t as packed as the world’s most dense cities, including Dhaka, Bangladesh, which has over 80,000 people per square mile, it’s more crowded than global cities, such as London, and three times more dense than Los Angeles, the most population-dense area in the US, according to the report.

www.cnn.com/2023/10/11/middleeast/…/index.html

Over 3x the population density of LA…

I didn’t even read the rest of your comment, don’t take me ignoring everything else you got wrong as me agreeing with it.

It’s just easier to point out one obviously wrong thing at a time.

BlameThePeacock ,

Your own quotes say that there are comparable third world countries with over 4x the density of Gaza City. So your statement that it’s one of the densest areas in the world is clearly wrong. It’s not even in top 100 most dense cities in the world.

Also, if you think LA is dense, you are the one that’s dense. You’ve clearly never travelled outside North America. LA is textbook urban sprawl.

givesomefucks ,

three times more dense than Los Angeles, the most population-dense area in the US, according to the report.

Three times denser than the densest city in America

You’re trying to “well ackschully” me like like I said it was the densest place…

Like, do you understand what I said or are you intentionally misrepresenting this?

I honestly can’t tell

BlameThePeacock ,

You’re so poorly travelled that you simply don’t understand how poorly developed the US is when it comes to cities and density.

Metro LA is the 57th largest city in the world, but the 72nd most dense city in the top 80 cities by population in the entire world.

At the end of the day, you were the one that asserted that Gaza was one of the most dense places in the world, and I gave evidence proving it isn’t even close to the most dense places in the world. Now you’re trying to play off your error like this is about LA being dense or not.

givesomefucks ,

you were the one that asserted that Gaza was one of the most dense places in the world, and I gave evidence proving it isn’t even close to the most dense places in the world.

You still don’t understand how those are two different things bro?

I’m sorry, I legitimately can’t think of a simpler way to explain this.

BlameThePeacock ,

What two things?

You were trying to say that Hamas could not set up outside of residential buildings by saying the area is too dense with people for that to be possible.

It’s not. It’s not even close to too dense for that.

Go look at the Satellite maps of Gaza, there’s tons of space they could set up if they didn’t want to risk civilians. Literally half of gaza is farm fields.

UNOSAT analysis shows that the agricultural extent in the Gaza Strip is estimated to be 178 sq. km, accounting for approximately 49% of the total area of Gaza, following an extensive land cover analysis.

reliefweb.int/…/unosat-gaza-strip-agricultural-da….

Live_Let_Live OP ,

To this the Hamas representative responded: “we are not part of a campaign against you – but it is the population of Gaza, where there are two million Facebook accounts, and everyone pretends to be an expert.

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