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A 10-Year-Old Pointed a Finger Gun. The Principal Kicked Him Out of His Tennessee School for a Year.

The principal’s action was the result of a new state law that had gone into effect just months earlier, heightening penalties for students who make threats at school. Passed after a former student shot and killed six people at The Covenant School in Nashville, the law requires students to be expelled for at least a year if they threaten mass violence on school property, making it a zero-tolerance offense.

Tennessee lawmakers claimed that ramping up punishments for threats would help prevent serious acts of violence. “What we’re really doing is sending a message that says ‘Hey, this is not a joke, this is not a joking matter, so don’t do this,’” state Sen. Jon Lundberg, a co-sponsor of the legislation, told a Chattanooga news station a week and a half after the law went into effect.

Tennessee school officials have used the law to expel students for mildly disruptive behavior, according to advocates and lawyers across the state who spoke with ProPublica. (In Tennessee and a number of other states, expulsions aren’t necessarily permanent.) Some students have been expelled even when officials themselves determined that the threat was not credible. Lawmakers did put a new fix in place in May that limits expulsions to students who make “valid” threats of mass violence. But that still leaves it up to administrators to determine which threats are valid.

In some cases last school year, administrators handed off the responsibility of dealing with minor incidents to law enforcement. As a result, the type of misbehavior that would normally result in a scolding or brief suspension has led to children being not just expelled but also arrested, charged and placed in juvenile detention, according to juvenile defense lawyers and a recent lawsuit.

some_guy ,

Ok, so now we’re just destroying the education of little kids who have imagination. That’s awesome.

grue ,

🧑‍🚀👈🧑‍🚀 Always have been

(Which is not to say this isn’t making it even worse, 'cause it is.)

tyler ,

You’re expelled

shalafi ,

I’d get in some minor, and I do mean minor, trouble in elementary school and say, “Buh, buh, but I thought…”

“You’re not here to think!”

Got that a few times.

QBertReynolds ,
@QBertReynolds@sh.itjust.works avatar

My little brother was expelled from school in 1st grade for drawing a gun (which looked far more like a banana) and pointing it at another kid. That was in rural Alabama in 2000. Nothing new here.

xc2215x ,

One year seems too long.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

the real solution is for the parents to get all the kids to make finger guns

and when that happens, sue the school for not taking the exact same action

andrewta ,

Nicely done 😁

Gerudo ,

As much as I hate to admit it, I understand zero tolerance policies. But a fucking year? There’s got to be some kind of sliding scale based on the offense. Draw a picture of a gun, 3 days. Finger guns, ok, a week. Toy gun, month. Real gun, jail.

distantsounds ,

Punishing drawing and finger guns just sounds insane to me

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

😎👉👉 Zoop

expelled

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

I don’t understand zero tolerance policies.

Seems like a way for school sit be lazy and not actually do anything.

andrewta ,

Draw a picture of a gun = 3 weeks of suspension?

What the actual fuck?

A picture? Really?

I mean if the picture was off a kid holding a gun shooting a teacher, maybe get the kid some help.

But a picture of a gun? Again…

What the actual fuck?

mx_smith ,

🎵“I’m gonna finger bang, bang you every night”🎶

randon31415 ,

School Administrators: “If only we could kick out the students we don’t like, but the law states that every kid gets an education”

School shooting -> New law

“Hey, I know just how to selectively abuse this!”

dukatos ,

When I was kid, we regularly played partisans vs nazis and cowboys vs indians, “shooting” each other with home made “guns”. Nobody said anything ever… Happier times…

P1nkman ,

Let the kids learn to use weapons before their old enough to walk, but don’t you fucking DARE use a finger gun 👉

Go play insert any game with guns.

Modern_medicine_isnt ,

Cause 10 year Olds are known to be up on current laws and to think about the consequences of thier actions when they are mad, or really anytime.

Samvega ,

To kids who hate school, being able to not go for a year might be a reward.

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

It sets them back a year so I doubt they’d be happy about redoing a grade.

curbstickle ,

Oh no, I think you’re missing the real goal here.

Clearly, these children yearn for the mines.

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Who peed in your cornflakes this morning?

curbstickle ,

That I think choosing to make such egregious punishment is intended to increase the rate of dropouts, and more relaxed child labor laws?

I mean, this isn’t new. Its a republican goal, just look at Arkansas and Iowa.

Samvega ,

School refusal is real.

Modern_medicine_isnt ,

At 10, they probably won’t even think of that until the next year. And that’s assuming that they actually make them do the grade instead of skip. A lot of schools think it is more important to stay with your age group. And they are probably not wrong.

nick ,

My five year old got a week out of school suspension and made to go to the kids psych ward because she pretended to shoot someone on the playground as part of a game. The other kid narced on her and it turned into a big fucking thing.

Fuck this bullshit country.

The psych ward doctors said “this is the stupidest thing we’ve ever dealt with”

nick ,

Also of note, she has diagnosed adhd and THAT turned into a big ordeal. To the point my wife called the diocese (it’s a catholic school, despite us being atheist) and got the principal shitcanned because of how they were treating our kid.

The new principal was bad at first but worked with us and we came up with a plan and system for the adhd.

calabast ,

The only thing that will stop kids making finger guns is more good kids with finger guns.

ours ,

The Uvalde cops would still sit that one out somehow.

Wouldn’t want to risk getting their eye pocked by accident.

ravhall ,

As long as they keep it in their pocket

over_clox ,

Adults have the right to bear arms, but kids don’t have the right to bear hands? Yup, we live in a dystopia…

thefartographer ,

“What we’re really doing is sending a message that says ‘Hey, this is not a joke, this is not a joking matter, so don’t do this,’” state Sen. Jon Lundberg, a co-sponsor of the legislation, told a Chattanooga news station

Yeah guys! We’re gonna start taking mass shootings super-seriously now! If you shoot adults and children and then commit suicide at a school in Tennessee, you better expect some serious consequences now, guys!

BrokenGlepnir ,

The kid was angry, but you are only making it worse with this punishment. The appropriate thing to do would be to send him to a competent guidance counselor and work through his feelings then send him on a path forward. Not really even a "punishment " but a correction. Before reading what happened I would have said that even that would be too much, but having read it, I don’t think it would hurt to counsel him though his feelings. I doubt Tennessee has many competent guidance counselors though.

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