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Racism Is Why Trump Is So Popular

TO UNDERSTAND THE rise of Donald Trump, you don’t need to go to a diner in the Midwest or read “Hillbilly Elegy,” J.D. Vance’s memoir.

You just need to know these basic facts:

In 1980, white people accounted for about 80 percent of the U.S. population.

In 2024, white people account for about 58 percent of the U.S. population.

Trump appeals to white people gripped by demographic hysteria. Especially older white people who grew up when white people represented a much larger share of the population. They fear becoming a minority.

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girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

They fear becoming a minority.

They/we were often the minority but still held all the power.

We’re simply terrified that in becoming the minority now, Black and Brown people would start treating us like we’ve treated them for hundreds of years.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

We’re simply terrified that in becoming the minority now, Black and Brown people would start treating us like we’ve treated them for hundreds of years.

That is definitely a huge part of it. And it’s total projection like so much else they believe. “They’ll get revenge because we would get revenge.”

PugJesus ,

John Brown didn’t get to kill enough slavers, that’s why we’re all here. We gave the racists a little rope, and now they’re trying to hang us with it. Been that way ever since Reconstruction ended.

Opposition to racism must be enduring. It must be absolute. It can brook no compromise, because compromise is tacit agreement to the validity (however small or marginal) of the opposition’s point, and racism is based on an absurdity. And when a society starts validating absurdities… well, look at Trump.

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

and the fact the confederacy was allowed to “live in on” in memory as heritage, and allowed statues honouring traitors to the United States

If you allow confederate statues to honour enemies of the country, why are there no statues honouring the british red coats from the war of independence? Where are the statues honouring soviet spies executed for espionage?

PugJesus ,

Constructed largely after the cowards were all dead, in the civil rights era. And yet some people still insist that it’s ‘history’ to leave them standing instead of a blatant attempt to cement the United States as a ‘White Man’s’ polity.

Fuck them.

If you allow confederate statues to honour enemies of the country, why are there no statues honouring the british red coats from the war of independence? Where are the statues honouring soviet spies executed for espionage?

Let’s make some 9/11 memorials to commemorate those brave hijackers too.

It’s fucking absurd, and while I know HOW it got started, I don’t know how it got started. You know what I mean? Like, I understand the conditions that led to the rise of Lost Causer nonsense, but I just can’t wrap my fucking head around the idea that everyone just fucking normalized it. Like, even if you are a racist (as most 19th century Americans were to at least some degree), what the fuck kind of lunatic country commemorates the ‘heroism’ of literal traitors and secessionists who killed hundreds of thousands of our countrymen?

Sherman didn’t burn enough.

thesohoriots ,

Sherman should’ve done a victory lap juuuuust to make sure

PugJesus ,

40 acres and a mule would’ve gone a long way. Shame Andrew Johnson was a piece of shit.

Stern ,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

Fun fact: There is a statue in honor of famous traitor Benedict Arnold… kinda.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Monument

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

I mean there should at least be a statue commemorating when we future Canadians had most of DC burning, including the White House and Capitol.

:p

xiao ,
@xiao@sh.itjust.works avatar

That true, actually where I grew up there were few orange people, but lately I noticed some people elected one !

Btw I am an antiracist so I will not descriminate but please dear U.S.A. citizens do not vote for this orange guy.

credo ,

The elderly need to SIT DOWN. It’s not their planet anymore, and they need to get over it.

Nougat ,

You're conflating "elderly" with "racist." Ageism is also a thing, check yourself.

credo , (edited )

This has nothing to do with “ageism”, which is a statistical idea applied individually. I’m discussing statistics applied to the appropriate population. I’m discussing the idea that a population, which holds no interest in the outcome of a decision, should stay the hell out of that decision. Check yourself.

I have no problem with elderly voting. My question is why do they vote?

This is why the right keeps attacking social security; to keep folks who don’t actually have a stake in the future at the voting booths. Then, en masse, they vote against equality and the very future of our planet’s surface all because of outdated ideologies. Because of their self-centeredness, they hold back progress.

WHY do they vote when they won’t be here to see the result? Do they think the generations that will are too stupid to govern themselves?

Dwell on it a bit.

Nougat ,

This has nothing to do with “ageism”, which is an statistical idea applied individually.

While I disagree with that statement, especially in this context, I'm glad to see that you understand the difference between discussing statistics about a demographic population (identified by observation of past events) and inappropriately applying those statistics to an individual.

When you said

The elderly need to SIT DOWN. It’s not their planet anymore, and they need to get over it.

You were insisting on specific future actions ("SIT DOWN" and "get over it"). Actions are taken by individuals. Age is a characteristic that individuals do not have control of. It is not a decision, and we don't cast aspersions on people for things they do not have control of.

I think there are better ways to say the thing you intended to say, without being ageist.

credo ,

Lol. This is a stretch.

Again… it’s not agesist when you literally call out the entire population for doing the thing that population does. You were wrong, get over it too.

Nougat ,

Again.. it’s not agesist when you literally call out the entire population for doing the thing that population does.

There it is again.

The entire population - every individual who is a member of the specified population - does not do the thing which is observed to be in the statistical majority for that population (if that's even the case here).

credo ,

Ok, school time. You are conflating the “entire” population with “every member” of the population. Perhaps you should actually learn about the thing you are trying to correct others about.

jmp242 ,

Do you also buy the Vance line that people who don’t have kids should not vote because they don’t have skin in the game? At what age are you too old (or need to have kids by) to be concerned about the future? And regardless of “the future” at least some policy’s are about right now. Like the abortion bans or getting rid of Medicare or social security, or raising taxes or regulation of sources of heat or stoves etc… These matter to people till they die ffs.

credo ,

Nope. But I think people who don’t have kids should deeply consider why they are sitting on a school board, voting to ban books, etc.

jmp242 ,

To clarify here - do you think that people should be forced to leave school boards as soon as their kids graduate? Do they end up eligible again if their kids have grandkids? Is this limited to people with kids going to that specific school? Also, does paying school taxes not make you have some skin in the game?

And what about just input on the society you live in? It seems to me the solution in your example would be to have younger people run for / contest the school board.

Nougat ,

I want to go on the record on the side of "Yes, people without kids are absolutely capable of caring about education."

But I also wanted to offer a correction:

Is this limited to people with kids going to that specific school?

School boards are for the school district, which is obviously composed of many elementary schools, junior highs, high schools. Without speaking for every school district in the country, I would expect that school board members would need to be residents of the district.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

What is the age cutoff before you start being elderly?

Nougat ,

I have some bad news for you.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I do feel like an old man sometimes, but considering I’m 47, I don’t think I count as elderly.

Nougat ,

I was at a restaurant a couple weeks back and realized I'm frighteningly close to the "55+ senior menu."

credo ,

Ask the article.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Can you point out where the article defines the cutoff age? Because I read it and I didn’t see that part.

ThrowawayPermanente ,

Fine, we can compromise. Nobody over 75 or under 30 is allowed to vote. Deal?

Nougat ,

"No, not like that!"

credo ,

Lol, I’m over 30. People under thirty have more at stake than I do.

And let me know where I said people can’t vote. I can’t help it if you make up things, now can I?

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

we got ourselves a sherlock over here

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

In 2024, white people account for about 58 percent of the U.S. population.

Especially now that you can “become black.”

That said, I wonder if someone like Obama is counted in the “white people” part of that statistic. He should. He’s as white as he is black, just like Kamala Harris is as Indian as she is black.

Tar_alcaran ,

Especially now that you can “become black.”

Well, if they’re all so scared that white males are the most discriminated against, they should all become black women. Problem solved!

/S, of course.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Not a bad plan! Let’s get them to work on it!

Anyway- I am definitely going to enjoy spending the next few months letting Republicans know that Obama is white based on Trump’s own ideas of race.

almar_quigley ,

I’d imagine he be classified as mixed race or something since he’s both not either?

BottleOfAlkahest ,

It’s only in the past few years that “two or more” races became an option on most demographic forms. Even into the early 2000s most demographic forms only let you pick one category so you had to make a choice. The 2024 number may more accurately account for mixed race people but there is no way that 80s number does at all.

Source: was a confused mixed child asking adults which I should pick on official forms and just got shoulder shrugs and hand waving from them.

thefartographer ,

Three other day, I was reading through the parts of Mississippi constitution which regard marriages and got to the section about race-mixing. It was really disturbing to see some of those incredibly offensive terms merely crossed out from such a legally influential document.

Also, I learned that you have to accept the existence of “a supreme being” to hold any office in Mississippi. Less fucked up, but still fucked up.

almar_quigley ,

I grew up in the south. Mississippi was too much even for a lot of us more country folk. My apologies to any decent people in Ms for getting lumped in with the rest of the terrible folks in that state….

thefartographer ,

Oof. I’m from Texas and had a friend in highschool who grew up in Mississippi. One day while discussing dominant and recessive traits in biology, she noted that she was born left-handed, but the teachers at her public school beat it out of her and got her to use her right hand. Anytime she’d use her left hand they’d

smack her hand with a ruler

because

"that’s THE DEVIL’S hand!"

Fucking beating kids in public school over superstitions! How we haven’t nuked Mississippi yet is beyond me. Fuck it, nuke everything from Texas to Florida up to South Carolina. I haven’t lived a perfect life, I’m sure I deserve a face-full of nuke, too.

almar_quigley ,

If you haven’t seen bittersoutherner.com I highly recommend it. A great publication that’s doing good work trying to counteract all the shit happening down there. A lot of stuff I love about the south but unfortunately even more that I’m ashamed of about it.

dexa_scantron ,
@dexa_scantron@lemmy.world avatar

The average Black American is ~1/3 white (because of all the rape of enslaved women, basically) so he’s not that much off the average there.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t doubt it, but based on Trump’s reasoning, Kamala Harris has an Indian mother, so she’s Indian. Therefore Barack Obama has a white mother, so he’s white.

Which is why I’m going to keep telling that to Republicans.

kandoh ,

Not one drop rule still applies to this day

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Also, I wanted to say that the more open Trump is about racism, the more he will turn people off. There are a lot of people who are pretty much racists, but they would never admit it, even to themselves. These are people who cross the street when they see a black man coming toward them, but would never dream of saying the N-word and think Martin Luther King had a dream about something involving ending racism and that was good.

Those people will not want to be associated with Trump and Vance the more overt they get.

jmp242 ,

This is an interesting question - if you’re lying to yourself about being racist, and won’t condone racist policies and you know, act in a way to not look racist… Like a philosophical P zombie, are you for all external functional (maybe limited to politically) purposes not racist?

thefartographer ,

One doesn’t have to acknowledge their cancer to be full of tumors.

Racism can lay quietly below the surface while festering and slowly rotting away their insides.

dexa_scantron ,
@dexa_scantron@lemmy.world avatar

No, they’re still racist because their actions (e.g. voting for Trump) increase racial inequality.

krashmo ,

All people are racist to some degree. The ability of our brains to perform categorization and pattern recognition are two major reasons why humans have been successful as a species. We can’t help but apply those concepts to the people we interact with.

Some people are more fear motivated and gravitate towards the “black people are violent” kind of racism while others tend towards the “Asians are good at math” kind of racism but both are forms of racism. Obviously the first type is going to have more negative outcomes in society than the second but that doesn’t mean the second type is not racist. They’re both fundamentally generalizations based primarily on the race of another human.

Simplifying complex information for quick analysis is how our brains work and that’s essentially what racism is. There is no getting away from it completely.

MyOpinion ,

1000% true.

schnurrito ,

From skimming this, there seems to be nothing in there not debunked in 2016 by slatestarcodex.com/…/you-are-still-crying-wolf/

girsaysdoom ,

This is definitely true. It’s something I’ve heard Trump supporters argue about firsthand. But it’s not just only racism or the threat of being a minority, but the fear of losing freedom to do what they want according to their own skewed morals. So while a decent chunk of why they think the way they do is sheer racism and fear around that (especially since the start of the BLM movement), it’s not the core of the problem.

I believe that this started as the resurgence of toxic masculinity in that Trump showing people it was okay to be misogynistic, racist, and homophobic in opposition to race, gender, and identity politics rising in the 2010s. Women’s rights and LGBT people are in their sights as well and, despite their narrative fitting well with fundamentalist religious morals, this seems more like resentment that those movements didn’t address their needs or issues. COVID restrictions that they disagreed with fanned the growing fire into the fulblown fascist conservative movement we see today.

So I don’t think it’s the fact that cis het white people are in lower relative numbers but it’s the event of rising social progressivism and more rights for minorities and women that spurred the antagonism of them.

Tldr: Bigots are upset that they didn’t get anything out of women’s, LGBT, and minorities rights.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll agree with you except for the timeline. It started after 9/11, bigotry was far less openly acceptable during the 90s. It just blew up after Obama was elected and social media took off. People were all exposed to the same type of media at the time, and big media companies weren’t spreading extremely racist content, other than a few fringe things like Rush Limbaugh. Fox news really took off after 9/11 too.

TheFonz ,

While I do think racism plays a big role, articles like these that paint a large American section with broad brush like this play a dangerous game.

At this point if you’re still supporting Trump, there is little that can be done for you with regards to changing your mind and youll be hard pressed to find sympathy.

But there is something to be said about the rural / urban divide. Small town America has been left behind - both economically and culturally and somehow we have to reach them. I don’t know if it’s a failure of messaging on the Dems or what exactly. I also think it’s a much broader issue than just ‘racism’.

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