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azimir ,

It’s the 3rd generation problem:

  • 1st generation: founds a company in their basement, works hard, builds it up
  • 2nd generation: works with their parents, sweeps floors, learns the ropes, inherits the company, and grows it even bigger while knowing what it took to build in a basement to begin with
  • 3rd generation: didn’t see the basement, never worked at sweeping and late nights to keep it going. Only reaped the benefits, money, and prestige of being from the family. When they inherit they see the company as a money pinata and start crushing it so they can go on more expensive junkets.

I feel we’re seeing a similar pattern with disease and vaccinations.

  • The 1st generation lived with the diseases, lost friends, and saw as people were crippled around them by Polio, Measles, and Whooping Cough. The invention of each new vaccine was a medical miracle and mostly embraced as a piece of salvation from the horrors of disease.
  • The 2nd generation was exposed to adults who had been crippled and lost family so they’re directly motivated to vaccinate to avoid such tragedies.
  • Now we’re into the 3rd generation zone. Who here has personally seen someone on crutches for life from Polio? Who here saw someone whose brain was destroyed by Measles? Who here has spoken with someone whose lungs were permanently damaged by Whooping Cough? Some have, but not nearly enough to make the community as a whole believe that these illnesses truly exist and that they truly harm us when given free reign. They balance this lack of direct exposure against much lower likelihood issues (tiny chances of vaccines causing side effects) and decide that since only two people per year die form tetanus, why should they get a vaccine for it? This is how a company is killed by the same family who built it, and we’re going to be killed by the ignorant who fail to vaccinate.
nondescripthandle ,

Another good reason to not reproduce. I’m not letting stupid parents’ plague bags infect my kids or me.

DistractedDev ,

Or just get your kids vaccinated? Their kids will get diseases and natural selection will handle the rest

nondescripthandle ,

That’s not really how every vaccine works. I work with people with compromised immune systems so I’ve been up to date on covid shots and boosters since they were available, I still got covid twice. Someone else’s preventable bad decision can still kill my kid or me, so no thanks.

Nougat ,

Being vaccinated against covid is not a guarantee that you won't catch it If you do get infected, your symptoms and length of illness will be much reduced, because your body is already primed to recognize and fight the pathogen. I have to imagine that the same thing applies to any vaccinatble disease; the vaccine is not preventing your exposure to the virus, but to your body's immune response when you are exposed.

That's on an individual basis. On the community scale, the more people who are vaccinated against a particular virus, the less everyone is exposed to the virus in the first place.

nondescripthandle ,

That’s the problem, other people aren’t vaccinating their kids or themselves, there is no communiy scale protection if half the community isn’t protected, and in some places in America it’s way more than half.

Nougat ,

That is a problem. Thankfully, you get the same immune protection when you get vaccinated, regardless of who else does. Yes, without enough people community-wide being vaccinated, your exposure will be higher, but your own immune response doesn't change.

nondescripthandle , (edited )

And the viral load you get is higher and from a virus that had more opportunity to mutate. So in a vaccum your immune response may be the same but in reality you immune system isn’t responding to the same thing. Also idk if you missed the part where my work involves immunocompromised people, so it’s not just my protection I have to worry about.

watson387 ,
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They’ll start the next epidemic then try to blame it on trans folks somehow.

cynthorpe ,

Let humanity end.

Bonesince1997 ,

And these people are represented by one of our major political parties (GOP). Tell me about death panels again…

FlyingSquid ,
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Before this though, if we didn’t have the right to mock them for the “death panels” thing before, now that some states are banning abortion even if both the mother and the fetus will die, we sure as fuck do now.

thesohoriots ,

Look under your chairs! You get polio! YOU get polio! You’re all getting polio! ffs

FlyingSquid , (edited )
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In a sane country, that would be enough for CPS to take action.

These people are intentionally risking their children’s lives. Because autism.

Edit: Also, on Sunday’s last week tonight, Jon Oliver said RFK, Jr. has been offered a position in Trump’s cabinet as HHS secretary. How terrifying is that?

iamericandre ,

These people are intentionally risking their children’s lives. Because autism.

It’s because they’re fucking idiots

FlyingSquid ,
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Many people have also been convinced, through huge, well-funded organizations like Autism Speaks, that autism is a fate worse than death for a child. So it’s not entirely their fault. But they still should not be allowed to get away with it since vaccines are not related to autism.

nondescripthandle ,

CPS works real fast on poor families from cities. I refuse to believe they couldn’t start taking unvaxed kids, they just don’t want to for whatever reason. Probably they don’t want to appear political but I don’t think appearing unpolitical is going to save any lives so, sorry kids.

TimLovesTech ,
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Their child’s life, but also the lives of others in their community. Many of these diseases rely on herd immunity to protect those with compromised immune systems (and even “healthy” people to a degree). Not to mention the harm done by creating a larger stigma around autism.

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