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U.S. official: Biden realized Netanyahu lied to him about hostage deal

“Biden realized that Netanyahu was lying to him about the hostages,” the official told Haaretz. “He’s not saying it publicly yet, but in the meeting between them, he specifically told him, ‘Stop bullshitting me.’”

On Friday, a senior member of the Israeli negotiating team told Haaretz that Israeli defense chiefs believe Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is not interested in a hostage deal/cease-fire with Hamas. Israel’s Channel 12 also reported on a tense exchange between Netanyahu and the defense chiefs, in which Shin Bet head Ronen Bar said, “It feels like the prime minister doesn’t want the framework that’s on the table.” Turning to Netanyahu, he added that if that is the case, “you should tell us.”

Mossad chief David Barnea stressed to Netanyahu, “There is a deal on the table. If we delay, we could miss the opportunity. We have to take it.” Netanyahu, per the report, reacted angrily, accusing the defense chiefs of being “soft.”

dactylotheca ,
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Any bets on whether this will change anything? I mean yeah, it doesn’t seem likely and the prevailing opinion seems to be “fuck no”, but I have no idea how informed that opinion is.

someguy3 ,

This specifically? Probably not just because Biden only has a few months left. But I think we’re going to see a generational change in attitude from future presidents. Israel better get their shit together before that happens.

dactylotheca ,
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Out of curiosity, what is Harris’ stance on Israel? I’m from YUROP and I don’t actually know very much about her policy positions

someguy3 ,

She says Israel has a right to defend itself but civilian impact has to be considered. Should be easy to find on YouTube.

mlg ,
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CIA who probably warned him ages ago

kata1yst ,

In diplomacy it’s critical to give your allies enough rope to hang themselves.

solsangraal ,

the united states will continue to fellate israel until the end of time, regardless of who’s POTUS. and israel knows that to be the case, regardless of who’s leading israel. the intelligence alone is something the US will never give up. in addition to being really the US’s only reliable tentacle in the middle east

Diva ,
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“if israel didn’t exist we would have to invent one to protect our interests in the region”

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Linkerbaan OP ,
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Over the course of the Genocide the notion that we really want israel to exist as a strategic ally has started to look extremely wonky to me.

Looking at previous history as well, I have concluded the “strategic partner” narrative is purely an excuse for israeli lobbyists. Such as the best funded lobbyist for israel

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/53baf181-e56c-42fd-a21e-185ae9e855f3.png

Diva ,
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That is absolutely a factor, but there are also absolutely people who view this as an important part of American power projection. While I don’t think that supporting Israel has been making the US stronger in this era, it has historically been a key strategic location due to how close it is to the suez and global oil trade.

It is darkly funny how cheaply American politicians can be bought, meanwhile we shovel endless piles of money to Israel, which it then uses to shore up political support for continuing to send them money and ammunition.

Linkerbaan OP ,
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Egypt controls Suez though. We just overthrew their government and installed Sisi as a dictator to control it. Israel had little to do with that. Same with Iraq. We use Saudi Arabia as a base.

Israel as a strategic partner is a great excuse on the surface because really blurs the line of the true motive. But in reality we now see America supporting israeli actions which are contradictory to our interests in the region (unless we really want WW3). Having a strategic partner requires that partner to obey you, not the other way around

Diva ,
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I’m not gonna start debating you on this, I was referring to the historical reason for the occupation of Palestine, quoting Churchill:

I say that Palestine is all the more important to us in view of what is happening, in view of the ever-growing significance to the British Empire of the Suez Canal; and I do not think £1,000,000 a year […] would be too much for Great Britain to pay for the control and guardianship of this great historic land

There was no AIPAC then, unless you’re suggesting that there was some other lobbying at play.

US strategic planners wanted Israel because it’s an unsinkable aircraft carrier parked right next to the Suez (among other things). That doesn’t mean that it’s actually useful at the end of the day, but that’s absolutely the stated logic behind things.

ProvableGecko ,

Well the US have been busy inventing a back up for decades now.

Who else in the middle east has a sizable population that spans many countries which, in the case of independence, would conveniently destabilize the middle east yet wholely depend on the US for survival, as it would be completely surrounded by sworn enemies, therefore would have to act as a defacto US state in foreign affairs?

Anyway, we are halfway there now and the rest shouldn’t take too long

Diva ,
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I don’t really follow what you’re trying to say. I’m not sure there is a viable backup to Israel as a client state in the region.

Linkerbaan OP ,
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I’d argue Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan are far easier and more controllable outposts right now.

An “ally” that doesn’t listen and engulfs the region in chaos only seems counterproductive. Reliable is the last word I’d attribute to israel.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ce23cc3c-5272-4477-9945-961a281fdbfe.png

solsangraal ,

lol and what’s the difference between all those countries and israel? and why would the US send mountains of weapons and cash to israel and much less to the other “allies”? hint: it rhymes with “schmuslims.”

Linkerbaan OP ,
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AIPAC doesn’t rhyme with schmuslims

solsangraal ,

it doesn’t rhyme with “the united states will fellate israel until the end of time” either, but not everything will always make sense

recklessengagement ,

Tbh we should just switch to Cypruss. Its a stones throw away, and we’ve got great relations. Unless the island thing is an issue…

crystalmerchant ,

Gluck gluck gluck gluck gluck gluck gluck

HenriVolney ,

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OutlierBlue ,

Could also use this pokemon meme

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Linkerbaan OP ,
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dactylotheca ,
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Now that’s a meme I’ve not seen in a long time. A long time.

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