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IDKanything ,

I see a need for a debate, we know where they stand. We really need to stop treating politics like sporting events.

Nurgle ,

Headline so insanely misleading they had to change it lol. NYTimes is such a joke these days

GiddyGap ,

Trump when Biden is running: “Any time, any place”

Trump when Harris is running: “One specific time, one specific place”

Harris is going to wipe the floor with this guy.

n0m4n ,

Only if the venue rules are fairly done.

That is not what Fox’s history shows Fox doing as a news an entertainment channel. They will put any BS up to garner attention. For example, DEI hire.

If Fox applied the same benchmarks on Trump’s past ‘accomplishments’ and Trump isn’t fit for employment, period.

DarkCloud ,

“Trump agrees with himself”

…say, is it perhaps weird to make meetings with yourself?

natecox ,
@natecox@programming.dev avatar

This is a weird way to say “Trump backs out of debating Harris on ABC”.

vanontom , (edited )
@vanontom@lemmy.world avatar

NYT are fools for using that headline. Their journalists, or editor, obscured the facts with that one. “Updated” headline (not joking):

Trump Cancels a Debate With Harris on ABC News and Pitches One With Fox News Instead

natecox ,
@natecox@programming.dev avatar

Haha I see that new headline. ‘tegrity.

Cethin ,

The biggest issue is many people will have only seen the first headline and not the update. They got inaccurate information and it won’t be corrected, and the NYT is to blame.

davidagain ,

“Cancels” is the wrong verb again. ABC can cancel it, Trump can only decide not to show. ABC and Kamala can go ahead and have a debate with the audience or even put a cardboard cut out in his place and play random quotes he’s made and let Kamala disagree with them. ABC would get views and advertising revenue.

The right neutral verb phrase there is “backs out of”. The one I would pick is “shirks” or “fears”

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

Her statement should make clear that she is only interested in debates hosted by news networks, citing Fox News’ own lawyers who say that they aren’t journalists, but rather “entertainers”.

Maybe also make a point of refusing to work with an organization that was found liable for defaming voting machine manufacturers and poll workers during the last election.

There are endless valid reasons for saying no to this debate, and holding Trump to the original debate schedule he already agreed to.

n0m4n ,

I want the debate to happen AFTER Trump is sentenced in DC. Depending on what happens there, the debates topics are vastly different. Making a president into a king with literal life or death powers is a power that Trump will misuse.

AFKBRBChocolate ,

Yes, the network that had to pay nearly a billion dollars for pushing a false narrative in order to get Trump elected the last time around is the perfect venue. Oh, and a live Fox News audience? What could be bad about that?

What a joke.

Crikeste ,

They’re probably hoping someone in the audience brings a gun.

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

What, do we need another Republican to shoot Trump’s other ear?

Crikeste ,

I was thinking Kamala. Never know with those idiots though. lol

Side note: Did you happen to see the close ups of Trump’s ear at the ABJ convention? Shit was on FULL DISPLAY and didn’t look shot at all. 🤔

sirspate ,

Ask anyone who wears earrings, ears heal fast. (That said, I expect he only had a scratch.)

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Not from a bullet wound, they don’t.

I still maintain that he got a scratch from a shard of the teleprompter at worst, and has been milking it for all it’s worth.

bluemite ,

It was reported that it was a 2cm wound. That’s not insignificant.

n0m4n ,

A 2cm graze wound is different from a 2 cm penetrating wound. Even that fact can be misleading.

Burn_The_Right ,

Because it wasn’t. That blood was the spatter from an actual victim behind him. He has been pretending to have been shot, without any actual injury of any kind.

Crikeste ,

How could the blood have been from the other victim? They were no where near that close to Trump. They would have had to have been on the stage with him lol

Burn_The_Right ,

Blood spatter can travel quite a long distance. The shooting victim was in the crowd immediately behind Trump at what looks to be about 15-20 feet away. If he was that close, a high velocity projectile could create spatter that could reach the podium.

MutilationWave ,

Apply Occam’s razor here. Of course he’s milking it for all its worth, but he got hit by something. Bullet graze, shrapnel graze, shattered glass graze, whatever it was it did hit him.

Burn_The_Right ,

I’m not completely convinced. There is no visible evidence of an injury. There has been no public release of info regarding the specific nature of the injury or the injury’s exact size or location. The next day, he appeared in public with a bizarre, fake-looking bandage. And the day after that there was no visible mark at all.

He is world-famous for lying and it is physically possible that it’s not his blood. Without some solid evidence, I’m just not convinced he was actually injured. He is absolutely the kind of person who would pretend a real victim’s blood is his own if it will bring him some media attention.

MutilationWave ,

I absolutely agree that it is something he would do. I just think the likelihood of him getting hit with blood spatter so perfectly from twenty feet away is quite low. And there seems to be no other blood on the stage area. Nobody else looked bloody that I could see.

Ears bleed a lot from a minor scrape. They also heal very fast. His doctor is a fraud so I do not put any stock in his 2cm wound assessment. This is the same doctor that says Trump was the healthiest person to ever be president while lying about his height and weight.

bradorsomething ,

If Trump is afraid he can’t find the ABC venue can’t his son or someone drive him there and help him get to the stage?

fubarx ,

Fox Moderator: “Vice President Harris, how would you respond to the accusation that your administration was responsible for the supply-chain crisis, grocery price inflation, massive corporate layoffs, Texas power outages, the summer heat wave, and the border apocalypse?”

Harris: “What? Now wait…”

Fox Moderator: “President Trump. They say you have the best golf record of any president in history. How did you accomplish this historic feat?”

…

Thebeardedsinglemalt ,

They’d probably just cut her off 2 words into her responses then play it off as she doesn’t have an answer

pete_the_cat ,

You know he’d completely fuck up the answer and go on ranting about migrants crossing the border, inflation, how smart he is and other rants. In previous interviews on Fox News they have handed him simple questions on a platter which were written to make him look like a good guy…and he completely screws it up and makes him self look like an idiot. It’s actually pretty hilarious.

Ilandar ,

Did you see that Fox News one recently where Laura Ingraham repeatedly tried to help Trump’s public image by giving him numerous opportunities (repeating the same soft ball question 4 or 5 times in a row) to walk back or tone down some of his controversial comments? He could not take the hint at all, just kept rambling about completely irrelevant stuff while she desperately tried to feed him the answer. It was pretty funny.

pete_the_cat , (edited )

Haha nope, I gotta look that one up now. I need a good laugh, my computer is pissing me off at the moment.

Edit: wow the projection is so strong in that video

MutilationWave ,

I’m done laughing at this fucking clown. I’m just sad.

Dkarma ,

Can’t spell slaughter without laughter

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

It’s definitely a risk for Harris but it’s the only place anyone watching only Fox will see her debate Trump. Not that it’ll change their minds of course, they’re so heavily brainwashed it’s insane.

Ragnarok314159 ,

Why it should never happen. Trump could go there, shit his pants, and call Harris all the words, and all republicans will lap it up like the mewling little weird cowards they are.

drunkpostdisaster ,

There was no scenario that wasn’t going to happen anyway

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

Buttigieg has been appearing on Fox News recently and he’s been doing a good job dismissing their dishonest narratives and avoiding their traps.

youtu.be/SXGpXWbVYSg?si=xBtDe8jWbMdXvmUF

But this isn’t Buttigieg, and this isn’t a one-on-one interview, so we can only hope if she agrees to this for some reason that she’s as prepared as he is.

SaltySalamander ,

People who watch Fox make up a pretty significant portion of every debate's viewership. They don't care what channel it's on, they're going to watch.

elrik ,

This was the obvious move - attempt to change the venue to Fox, Newsmax or worse. I’m surprised Tucker isn’t a proposed moderator.

Harris should counter with a live fact check requirement regardless of venue, which Trump and Fox could never accept.

OpenPassageways ,

Even with a live fact check requirement, would you trust Fox News to fact check? They’d probably use “alternative facts”.

FarFarAway ,

Fox’s lie. Who’d ever believe their news?

zer0squar3d ,

I mean foxes do say a lot of things… youtu.be/jofNR_WkoCE?si=wmu99UDKpDg5OQk9

FarFarAway ,

The problem is that I let it play even after I saw what it was…

davidagain ,

In what sense has he agreed something if no one else involved knows about it? I think the right verb here is ‘suggests’.

Maggoty , (edited )

He made a post saying that’s the “deal”. In a way it’s a brave brazen way to try and get a venue change. Harris would have to basically insult Fox News and their entire viewership to avoid looking like she’s walking away.

shani66 ,

Which (insulting fox and their viewers) she should do regardless, tbh

nomous ,

If she can go on Fox News and score a couple points against him it’ll go very well for her though; going into the proverbial lions den and coming out the other side

No (current) Harris voters are watching Fox News right now, she only stands to gain votes if she handles herself.

zalgotext ,

Yeah putting this on Fox seems like a super risky move on the Trump campaign’s part, for not that much gain.

MutilationWave ,

They’re scared. Nobody get complacent.

Ragnarok314159 ,

It won’t. There is nothing to gain in debating baby Donnie on Fox News.

n0m4n ,

Gov Newsom destroyed when he was on Fox. I don’t think that Fox will repeat their mistake.

Maggoty ,

That’s a quick way to lose an election. Almost like calling people deplorable. That worked great didn’t it?

shani66 ,

That was one of the very few good things she did. Hilary is just a deeply unlikable person.

Maggoty ,

Insulting voters is never a good move in an election.

Lucidlethargy ,

Brave isn’t the right word. Brazen is.

Maggoty ,

Yeah I can’t always with the words.

davidagain ,

Again, it’s not a deal if you don’t have agreement. That’s not a deal, it’s an offer.

Maggoty ,

I know that and you know that. But do the people who just watch Sinclair News know that?

msage ,

That’s what Trump is doing to ABC right now

Maggoty ,

And she’s calling him out in a way I couldn’t see happening before. I’m glad to see it.

Draegur ,

only if harris somehow sneaks a bullhorn/megaphone onto the stage so she can still make sure those fuckers hear her when her mic “malfunctions”.

fox deserves no respect.

You know how fascists are always projecting; the way he treats normal news agencies tells us all we need to know - it’s exactly how we SHOULD be treating his pet agencies.

nepenthes ,
@nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

I cannot stand his voice; I always end up muting the TV and reading the closed captioning. Those poor people that have to do the live captioning though…

Blackout ,
@Blackout@kbin.run avatar

Imagine having to stand on that stage and smell that soiled old man. If he stank I would bring that up before answering every question

baldingpudenda ,

"I’m sorry can I get a fan up here? I need to be down wind of his diaper. "

empty04 ,

upwind*

baldingpudenda ,

Fuck.

GBU_28 ,

UPWIND UPWIND!

evenglow ,

Whoops, replied to wrong comment.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I can’t either. On the other hand, I’ll take it because he’s going up against a very seasoned prosecuting attorney.

evenglow ,

When Trump was in office foreign translators got a ton of shit for doing thier job. So many non English speaking people thought the translators were drunk. That made more sense at the time than The President of the United States of America actually saying the things he said. There was also the time he got laughed at by the entire United Nations.

MutilationWave ,

That debate with Biden. Holy shit. I turned it off after 5 minutes. I’m just so embarrassed by my country.

Bosht ,

Fucking hell I’m actually excited. If you had asked me literally a month ago I wouldn’t have given a shit and would have laughed if you had told me I’d be interested. Don’t get me wrong I was going to vote either way, but man I cannot wait for Harris to slam the shit out of this dirt bag and make a national embarrassment of him. The shit that worked with Biden sure as hell isn’t going to fly with Harris.

MutilationWave ,

Don’t underestimate the ratfuckery Fox Entertainment Channel can get up to.

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