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Utah to use pentobarbital to execute man instead of three-drug combination

Defense attorneys said the use of ketamine, fentanyl and potassium chloride could cause ‘excruciating suffering’

Utah officials said on Saturday that they are scrapping plans to use an untested lethal drug combination in next month’s planned execution of a man in a 1998 murder case. They will instead seek out a drug that’s been used previously in executions in numerous states.

Defense attorneys for Taberon Dave Honie, 49, had sued in state court to stop the use of the drug combination, saying it could cause the defendant “excruciating suffering”.

The execution scheduled for 8 August would be Utah’s first since the 2010 execution of Ronnie Lee Gardner, by firing squad.

TheDoozer ,

So to preface, I am absolutely and without reservation against the death penalty, so any state-sanctioned murder is unacceptable to me.

That being said, if they’re going for painless, why not just a captive bolt stunner the their brain stem? Like, having them lie back in a massage table with a container for the blood (heaven forbid the audience should experience the discomfort of gore with their death spectacle), and just pop it when it’s time. Guaranteed to shut them off, mess is handled, suitable for a casket, and no suffering. They wouldn’t even have a chance to feel it.

And if the thought of putting a human down like cattle is disturbing to you, good. It should be, just like any other way we would keep somebody locked up waiting to be killed.

superb ,
@superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I really agree. State sanctioned murder is unacceptable to me as well, but if they insist then let’s be humane about it.

mecfs ,

Honestly, the guillotine was the peak. Every new method since then is simply more for the viewers comfort than the actual person dyingz

kn33 ,

*as long as the blade is kept sharp

mecfs ,

are there a significant number of reported “botched executions” with guillotine? Even if the weight is blunt, it is so heavy and comes down at such a force that it would likely break the spine and destroy the brain steam and cause a near instant death.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

Only problem with that is open caskets and decapitation like that isn’t instant. The brain is still alive for a bit.

awesome_lowlander ,

Or just plain pure nitrogen. Not the way they incompetently did it a while back where the prisoner suffocated due to his own exhaled CO2, but pure nitrogen while venting his exhalations.

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

I’m also against the death penalty entirely, but I’ve always wondered why they need to be conscious. Why can’t they put them under general anesthesia, then push the chemical while they’re unconscious?

TheDoozer ,

That is, ideally, what they want to do. However, to do it properly you would need a doctor, and doctors won’t help because of the whole “do no harm” thing. Kind of against their whole thing.

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

Because applying anesthesia is nor easy, requires years of education and a medical degree, and not anesthesiologist is going ti participate on it.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Utah.

The Oklahoma of Arizona’s Texas.

PrincessLeiasCat ,

Stealing this.

Melatonin ,

Guillotine. Effective, repeatable, instantaneous.

But I think it overdose of marijuana should do the trick. Nobody would ever claim that was cruel.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Have you ever overdosed on weed? It’s fucking horrible

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Pedantic, but:

The LD50 for THC is so hilariously high that you will physically lose the ability to move your body and consume more THC long, long before you reach a point of potential toxicity. From a technical standpoint there is no recorded event of a THC “overdose” ever occurring, like literally ever in human history, and boy have we been trying over the years. It’s easier to die from drinking too much water than consuming too much THC.

Now clearly what you’re referring to is just having had too much, “greening out” as the kids say, where you can gain a lot of anxiety and lose a lot of bodily control. And yes, that sucks, a lot. Panic attack city right there. But that’s not an overdose in the proper, dangerous sense of the term.

I only even bring this up because with cannabis being such a hot button political issue lately and being on the brink of federal legalization, accurate information about it is more important now than ever. And more often than not I usually see comments like this just replied to with “lol u can’t overdose on weed idiot” with no further context and that’s not helpful to anyone.

You can definitely take too much and have a bad time, but if you manage to find a way to legitimately overdose on THC, Willie Nelson would like to know your location.

NoIWontPickAName ,

An overdose doesn’t mean you die

qprimed ,

but if you manage to find a way to legitimately overdose on THC, Willie Nelson would like to know your location.

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lemonmelon ,

You can definitely take too much and have a bad time

You’ve just alluded to a toxic reaction due to overdose. The term overdose does not exclusively refer to the median fatal dose, nor does it hinge on the risk of lethality.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

Okay, point taken, but - Oxford’s definition of overdose reads “an excessive and dangerous dose of a drug”, emphasis mine, though that may differ from a clinical definition. My point was that it’s basically impossible to consume enough THC to require medical attention about it, even if you’re trying.

Though I’m realizing now that this conversation is taking place in the context of executing a man with it, so the point may be moot anyway.

Ensign_Crab ,

This is in the context of execution.

lemonmelon ,

It’s in the context of someone moving the conversation from “a cannibus overdose is impractical as a means of execution” to “there is no such thing as a cannibus overdose”.

holgersson ,

Overdosing on THC is basically one long panic attack, which occurs waaaaaayyxy before you even come close to dieing. I think, some people might consider this cruel.

Drusas ,

It's almost physically impossible to overdose on THC.

WeirdGoesPro ,

Almost.

Melatonin ,

Appropriate username

WeirdGoesPro ,

I’m doing my part!

Melatonin ,

That’s kind of like the people who try to commit suicide with Tylenol. They think it’ll be painless, but they don’t realize that over the course of the next few weeks their organs will turn to jelly and they’ll be in incredibly pain.

FlyingSquid ,
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Who gets the fun job of cleaning up all the blood?

Melatonin ,

Servpro, Crime Scene Cleanup, or Aftermath Services.

HK65 ,

The same people who clean flats where someone died alone and was only discovered weeks to months later because of the smell.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

not fine to deal fentanyl if you are an average citizen but more than okay if you are the justice system and intentionally OD someone

this is what happens when a cop lover with a prosecutor for a vice gets voted in

Drusas ,

"a prosecutor for a vice"?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They mean Kamala Harris. They spend their days on Lemmy making sure Trump will win the election by doing everything they can to get people to not vote for Biden, or Harris if she takes over for him.

Drusas ,

Ohhh. I probably should have figured that out, but I'm not great with people using weird phrasings.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“Whatever. As long as we get to kill a man who committed a crime more than 25 years later. Because that’s what we call Utah justice.”

Texas_Hangover ,

Agreed, he should have been killed a lot sooner.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Or maybe the state shouldn’t have the power of life and death over it’s citizens since you can’t unkill an innocent person.

Icalasari ,

Ye. I do think the death penalty has a place, but it's for the most extreme cases where it is 100% obvious that not only did they do it, but them being alive is a threat

It happens, but is REALLY rare

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