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Cosmonauticus ,

They also thought Hilary was going to win in a landslide. It’s laughable how dumb the DNC is and how they think they know so much better than the American population. The primaries happened l. It’s over. He’s who we’re stuck with

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Then Trump wins if Biden stays.

Icalasari ,

Not guaranteed, it looks bleak but this has been one weird ass election season. I mean fuck, Trump nearly getting killed somehow didn't affect the polls, plus both Trump and Biden could easily drop dead at any day of natural causes (including illness) just because of sheer age

Only thing I can really say for certain is vote as if your life depends on it, have an escape plan prepared, and be prepared for a potential civil war because seriously what the hell is this election

demizerone ,

No way Biden makes it though the campaign. He looks worse and worse at every speech he gives. That job is taking it toll.

xmunk ,

Bullshit, we never had genuine primaries.

demizerone ,

Some would say, anti democratic.

disguy_ovahea ,

The primary was genuine. The DNC candidate support was not.

Had they provided Bernie with the same media coverage and platform of support as Hillary, the passively informed wouldn’t have seen him as “the socialist who wants you to pay for other people’s kids to go to college.”

Asafum ,

It would be nice if MSNBC didn’t go on about Bernie literally executing them using the old Communist tropes too… Between corporate media and the DNC real candidates that aren’t just neolib assholes will never get a fair shake.

disguy_ovahea ,

Absolutely. Not to mention Cambridge Analytica’s manipulation of Facebook users through psychographic profiling having a huge influence on the boomers.

distantsounds ,

There weren’t any real primaries. I literally one had one choice on my ballot

Cosmonauticus ,

Do you expect it to be any better if the DNC forces Biden out?

quicklime ,

I think you may be mistaken if you’re implying that the DNC is the entity that is trying to get Biden to step aside.

The DNC is currently engaged in an all-out effort to lock Biden in by getting delegates to commit before convention. Those who are trying to get him to step aside, on the other hand, are a bunch of Democratic congressional representatives, donors, and other party figures – not the national party committee itself.

Asafum ,

The DNC is currently engaged in an all-out effort to lock Biden in by getting delegates to commit before convention

They’re the only people I’ll be happy to see hung when Trump goes full fascist dictator…

Bernie_Sandals ,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

You’re utterly disgusting.

Asafum ,

They did this to us, they deserve it. They have been doing it for decades to protect neolib rule and have set up the “lesser of two evils” bs for my entire life. I’m sure your namesake isn’t very happy with them either.

Bernie_Sandals , (edited )
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure your namesake isn’t very happy with them either.

I’m sure he’s not unhappy with them enough to say he’d be happy when they get the wall when Trump is elected.

they deserve it

No one, fucking no one, deserves fascism, and you saying otherwise shows just how privileged and out of touch you really are.

tootoughtoremember , (edited )

The primaries happened l. It’s over. He’s who we’re stuck with

With these leaked conversations from Pelosi, Schumer, and Jefferies, it doesn’t seem like the party thinks he’s the candidate they’re stuck with. Seems even the leadership feels they were kept in the dark about Biden’s current state through the primaries.

My question is, who is ride or die for Biden at this point? The people I know on the left are voting against Trump, rather than for Biden or even for a Democrat, and have said they would vote for just about any Democrat with a pulse to beat Trump.

Is it the moderates? Maybe in 2020, when Biden was the familiar voice of reason running against a proven conman with four years of endless headlines of corruption and destruction of norms. But that’s not what people have stored in their recent memory this time around, and it’s not the Biden we have now. He can’t string together a lucid rebuttal to the practiced silver tongue that seems to half of America fooled.

This late in the game, the only way I see the Democrats beating Trump is if they win the same moderate voters who were sick of the uncertainty and disruptions of the Trump presidency, and Biden can’t seem to coherently communicate the dangers of returning to that anymore. The Democrats need to put forward a candidate that remembers both the start of their sentences and points they were trying to make by the time they reach the end, even after 8pm.

Xeroxchasechase ,

It’s not really private if CNN reports it…

sunzu ,

Yeah but you are supposed to feel like you are on the inside reading it tho

Some propganadist was feeling smart writing the headline too!

Bernie_Sandals ,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a massive difference between a leak, even an intentional one, and coming out and holding a press conference telling Biden to step down.

sunzu , (edited )

Another day of DNC komissars trying to get rid of Biden...

Clown tactic and they aren't even offering anyone to replace him. So we should just trust them

peopleproblems ,

I’m gonna repeat myself. I don’t think it will matter. Biden could win all 50 states, but there will still be 1/5th of this country behind traitor Trump. Even if 250m people stand against the rhetoric and violence this group advocates for, we’ve been socially fractured. The American people have been demoralized too much for too long to oppose such a unified force.

The Supreme Court showed their hand. They have already overriden an election in 2000. They can and will do it again. Too many things that are happening are too similar to every past collapse in history.

The one chance we had was unifying as anti-nazi. When that didn’t happen, our fate was sealed.

rekorse ,

The only reason that happened in 2000 was because Gore decided it was for the best to let it go.

Asafum ,

I think no matter what it’s inevitable. We never fully acknowledged our insanely bad propaganda problem. While that persists the Republican party isn’t going anywhere…

I really can’t believe Russia is going to get exactly what they wanted. With the US essentially dead we’re going to enter a decade of wars of aggression. China will make their move and Russia will spread into NATO countries as we pull out of NATO.

IzzyScissor ,

At least 3 sources confirmed this “Private conversation”.

Seems not-so-private then? How do we keep getting news reports of these “private conversations” every week?

douglasg14b ,
@douglasg14b@programming.dev avatar

Because your conservative funded news outlets have a very overt goal here.

corsicanguppy ,

If course! Swapping out the incumbent is a guaranteed loss, so it’s their best investment.

torsday ,

Very possibly leaked to put pressure on Biden and ease up pressure from other congressman to join with their opposition to him running.

ralphio ,

Controlled leaks from Pelosi’s team would be my guess. Clearly she didn’t want the conversation to stay private.

Edit: Nevermind the other commenter already said this.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

Yep, he’s gonna drive our Democracy right off the cliff.

But it’s not just his fault, it’s the fault of every single person who voted for him in the 2020 primary.

stoly ,

I voted Bernie. I still put this on the DNC establishment who basically rigged the whole thing.

PineRune ,

Didn’t Bernie still get the popular vote yet lose anyway?

evidences ,

I just looked it up and in 2020 Biden got like 10 million more votes in the primaries than Sanders. Bernie only carried like 6 states.

BallsandBayonets ,

Bernie was winning most of the states until Covid hit, after which intelligent, responsible, voters stayed home. Then Biden started beating Bernie.

OsaErisXero ,

He was the frontrunner until all the establishment candidates except Biden dropped in a single afternoon. I voted Bernie, but it's unfair to call his lead anything but a plurality in the early phases of the primary season.

Zaktor ,

The worst part of it was that winning with a plurality was their plan. Even if the others stayed in, then he just loses at the convention, because it’s a contested convention and he still doesn’t have a majority.

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