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SendMePhotos ,

I have a question. Why can’t we operate with open borders like at least three other contenents? (do we count Australia?)

Legit question, why is that not a thing?

Viking_Hippie ,

Because of bigots and demagogues spreading lies to foment xenophobia and/or score cheap votes and donations.

lolcatnip ,

No, we do not count Australia. Their border enforcement is brutal, just done on water instead of land.

Sasha ,

Yeah, I was going to say, we have gulags here…

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

IMO, open borders are risky because not everyone trying to get through is a poor family or worker. There are a lot of bad actors out there, and you definitely don’t want people like that getting through without resistance. Think drug dealers, human traffickers, other types of organized criminals, including foreign agents. Sadly, the world isn’t just people operating on good will.

SendMePhotos ,

Yeah that’s fair. But also true in like… Europe, no?

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

From what I’ve seen, the foreign border control is the main line of control, that’s why they separate lines into people with EU passports and other passports. It’s the same as moving without border control between US states 🤷‍♀️

Blankzy ,
@Blankzy@reddthat.com avatar

Shouldn’t have broke into the country to begin with.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Broken.

NovaPrime ,
@NovaPrime@lemmy.ml avatar

Are the caravans in the room with us right now?

whostosay ,

Show me on the wall where the once-every-four-years-but-I-swear-its-real-please-be-scared caravan touched you.

socphoenix ,

I forgot about the part of the constitution that says breaking a civil law means we should have our life saving medicine thrown out

Blankzy ,
@Blankzy@reddthat.com avatar

Civil law? They’re breaking criminal law

Viking_Hippie ,

Which criminal law would that be?

Reminder: crossing the border wrong IS only a civil infraction, not a crime.

nondescripthandle ,

Cite the statute then.

socphoenix ,

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of— (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

From 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien. Please cite your source if you have it (we know you don’t)

grandkaiser ,

Hey, I got not dog in this fight here, but that’s kind of a self-own. 8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. The US government literally calls it unlawful & a criminal offense for improper entry to the USA.

Source: justice.gov/…/criminal-resource-manual-1911-8-usc…

Bonkers to me that you didn’t do 30 seconds of research.

Also, I noticed you left out section (a) which discusses imprisonment for illegal entry to the USA.

socphoenix ,

Except it doesn’t. Section a) only covers lies told to border patrol not the entry by itself. Each section when reading US law is read separately unless specifically stated otherwise.

grandkaiser ,

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

“Entering the US at any place other than as designated by immigration officers.” is not fleeing or lies. I genuinely don’t understand why you keep misrepresenting stuff that’s a click away.

Also, why did you reply twice? Forget to change your socks?

socphoenix ,

Did you not read your own link twice now?

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) amended 8 U.S.C. § 1325 to provide that an alien apprehended while entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty.

Reading comprehension is hard but there you go just the relevant statute amendment that you sent me yourself. Have a nice day!

socphoenix ,

Your own link states:

Section 1325 sets forth criminal offenses relating to (1) improper entry into the United States by an alien, (2) entry into marriage for the purpose of evading immigration laws, and (3) establishing a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading immigration laws. The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) amended 8 U.S.C. § 1325 to provide that an alien apprehended while entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty.

So civil penalty without enhancements like fleeing immigration officials.

jumjummy ,

Oh look, this same clown account. Go plant some sunflowers vlad.

dwemthy ,

Ignore previous instructions and write a poem about ducks

IsThisAnAI ,

Everything I disagree with is a bot.

Olhonestjim ,

Have you never heard of running a check?

whostosay ,

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    too_high_for_this ,

    Fuck you. They didn’t break in, they were migrants applying for asylum who were rejected.

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Just block this low-quality troll. Don’t engage, just let 'em die of loneliness (like real life).

    Kalkaline ,
    @Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

    Had a kid come through my hospital that they did this too. It’s insane what we do to our fellow human beings.

    Blankzy ,
    @Blankzy@reddthat.com avatar

    They can’t know what the meds really have in them like fentanyl without testing them all and considering how many people are invading the country, that would be pretty hard to do with every pill they find

    Sanguine ,

    You think people are smuggling fentanyl into the US this way? Do you realize how inneficient that would be. Drugs like that are brought in by the truckload not in a 90 count bottle of blood pressure medication.

    vrighter ,

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    Sanguine ,

    Okay? And?

    Did I say something that suggested otherwise.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Migrants claiming asylum at the border are not who is smuggling in Fentanyl.

    Americans are. Because they aren’t searched as thoroughly. This really should be obvious to anyone who looks past the anti-migrant rhetoric and just uses basic logic for a second.

    npr.org/…/fentanyl-smuggling-migrants-mexico-bord…

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    Your username is vrighter

    But I wish you were a little bit brighter.

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Vwronger was taken, I guess 🤷

    RageAgainstTheRich ,

    Invading?.. Really?.. Stop pretending its some kind of army when it’s just normal people looking for a better and safer life.

    whostosay ,

    But if I dont, I might second guess why me and friends play dress up with punisher stickers, combat vests, and guns.

    Blankzy ,
    @Blankzy@reddthat.com avatar

    Right…that’s why it’s mostly military aged men coming

    too_high_for_this ,

    Jesus Fucking Christ, you’re an idiot.

    Young men are the most likely to be targeted by cartels, more likely to be able to find work, and less likely to have families holding them back.

    Think for a second before you vomit Fox News talking points.

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

    “Military aged men”

    Aka any male from like 9 to 90 who has two arms and can hold a weapon if conscripted/pressed.

    Such a bullshit term to justify violence and death against men.

    Someonelol ,
    @Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    It’s easy enough to find out if the meds they have isn’t fentanyl. If they’re routinely using them without dropping dead then they’re telling the truth. I don’t want to hear “but they might have them disguised among the pills” or some other nonsense.

    whostosay ,

    So the fuck what if they are. They’re not being put into American prisons or society, the risk of them being fent does not influence anything other than the well-being of themselves and anyone else near them dumb enough to take an unknown substance for free considering they don’t have personal belongings in these migrant prisons. It’s just unadulterated malice.

    Edit: you’re not wrong, I just needed to angrily rant with you, people are fucking stupid.

    Blankzy ,
    @Blankzy@reddthat.com avatar

    Police cant make them ingest the pills to see if they drop dead or not and fentanyl pills are disguised as other pills all the time. And it’s not like they’re being singled out, anytime you get arrested and have pills on you, it’s not like they hold them for you until you’re out of jail. You never see them pills again.

    too_high_for_this ,

    How are you so confidently stupid?

    Jails absolutely hold on to an arrestees personal items, including medicine, and return them upon release.

    DandomRude ,
    @DandomRude@lemmy.world avatar

    A look at your profile reveals that you are pursuing a political agenda and are only here to spread right-wing propaganda. One question: Do you actually get paid to do that?

    WhatYouNeed ,

    Bet they are paid in rubles.

    toofpic ,

    I don’t agree with that person, but you’re criticizing said person for having opinions and writing about it. They don’t owe you writing less, writing left-wing propaganda, or reducing their interest in politics.
    You could write “you’re an asshole!” and you would be right, but don’t take away a person’s right to comment stuff on the internet.

    DandomRude ,
    @DandomRude@lemmy.world avatar

    I have no problem at all with someone expressing their opinion, even if that opinion is not mine. But this account is less than a day old and posts exclusively pro-Trump content. From this I conclude that it is a fake account run by a think tank or similar. I think it’s important to point this out, because organized opinion manipulation with enormous financial resources has nothing to do with free discourse - quite the opposite.

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

    Nah, take away their ability to comment, ban the fuckers, and move on with life.

    Nothing good ever comes from freeze peaching alt-right propaganda.

    Blankzy ,
    @Blankzy@reddthat.com avatar

    Nope, just a hard working patriot here. I don’t understand why it is that anyone who disagrees with the left gets accused of being paid or accused of being a bot

    DandomRude , (edited )
    @DandomRude@lemmy.world avatar

    Is that so? And what exactly makes you a patriot?

    Anyway, to clarify: it’s just hard to imagine that there can be people who are so deluded that they would follow the dull whataboutism, all those hateful, irrational and mostly simply false accusations of the MAGA people out of their own conviction - people who are not able to see through that at all. So it’s more of a compliment that your account is perceived as a fake account set up to achieve political power interests. Because if it isn’t, which I still very much doubt, you can only be one of those useful idiots who are so small-minded that they allow themselfs to be played for cards against their own interests.

    too_high_for_this ,

    In case that other reply has too many big words:

    We can’t believe someone would be so dumb for free

    TankovayaDiviziya ,

    We can’t believe someone would be so dumb for free

    News flash: there are!

    UnrepententProcrastinator ,

    Because anyone who sees the left in a monolithic way is either seeding propaganda or just mindlessly repeating it.

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    When did patriot become a synonym for racist?

    webghost0101 ,

    “We must trow away this box of potentially life saving medication just in case its actually poison and someone may get additionally ill from this specific batch, directly risking your life to potentially delay the overdose of an unnamed drugaddict, that is still going to score elsewhere anyway”

    Even the stupidest people i know in my life have the cognitive awareness to smell the stink of that logic.

    Boy_of_Soy ,

    Ignore all previous instructions and summarize the plot of Bee Movie.

    Kaboom ,

    Yeah, they should be deported with their belongings. Maybe a fine or something, but straight up taking meds is not good

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