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dhork ,

Aw shit, they’re bringing out the big guns now. Has anyone asked Noah Wylie yet? Do 8 out of 10 TV Doctors agree?

Maybe we can see what Val Kilmer thinks, also. To the Batcave!

PugJesus ,

Clooney is a non-marginal figure in politics. He’s very involved for an actor.

dhork ,

I know, but if it turns out that George Clooney was the tipping point, then the Democratic Party might be the caricature that the Right says it is.

PugJesus ,

Clooney, of all people, is one of the least objectionable actors to have a major voice amongst Democrats. The man is on foreign policy think tanks and is a longtime fundraiser and organizer for the Democratic Party. And in any case, this is on the heels of several members of the House and a Senator dissenting. It’s not like this is the first or the last drop of the deluge.

Cosmonauticus ,

He’s still an actor. I rather listen to presidential historians, and political scientist. Just because he shells out money in a system that shouldn’t allow it in the first place doesn’t mean we should take serious anything he has to say

TropicalDingdong ,

A smarter person would listen to people who have real experience moving the political levers. Historians and “political scientists” arent those people.

You know who one of those people is? George Clooney. He has gotten democrats elected to office. He’s done the job of picking winners and losers. You are kind-of an idiot to ignore first-order people involved-in-the process people and to weight third-order armchair opinions more heavily.

Clooney will actually move people to support or not support a candidate. Physically. He will go knock on their doors and ask them to run. He’ll give them the funds they need to do so.

(If political scientists are actual fucking scientists show me how they use falsifiability for hypothesis testing and then tell me which of their hypothesis have withstood the rigor of reproducibility)

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Then don’t listen to him. It is your choice.

givesomefucks ,

Clooney has known Biden for decades and just a few months ago organized a huge event for him…

“It’s devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe ‘big F-ing deal’ Biden of 2010,” Clooney wrote. “He wasn’t even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.”

PugJesus ,

I don’t know that he’s actually significantly worse off than he was before, but he may be heading to the point where, regardless of his health, he has lost the confidence of the electorate in his health.

TropicalDingdong ,

This debate, and all of his post-debate has hurt him, surely. But its detached from reality to suggest that Biden wasn’t “severely injured” going into this debate. The difference was that we saw an energized, verbal, focused, able to maintain eye contact and remember the first half of his sentence Joe Biden during the SOTU back in March. Bidens debate was a geriatric who is clearly “sunsetting”. Bidens post debate interviews re-enforced that.

Biden needs to be leading by 5 (50-55%) in the polls nationally to demonstrate that he had the “confidence” of the electorate. He was leading by 5 in 2020 and barely managed a victory in the EC by 40k net votes. If Biden is at 45% in the polls, he’s not winning the election. Biden is at 35% and dropping.

Biden hasn’t had the confidence of the electorate, basically ever, in this election cycle. At no point has he been “winning” or even really viable in this campaign. This is just purely what the data show us. Its what Nate Silvers been saying for over a year, its what Ezra Klein has been saying for a long time. The apologists around Biden protected him from any kind of real primary, or significant criticism in what has been the most critical period for evaluating his sufficiency around him as candidate. We were prevented from doing the kind of due diligence required.

Main points, Biden wasn’t winning this when it wasn’t about his health. Layer in the appallingly clear indications around his health and extrapolate. Biden was doing way better in terms of demonstrating his ability to “be the president” with the SOTU back in March. Draw a line from then to now, and then see where that line puts you 3 months from now. If you’ve ever had an elderly family member “sunset” on you, it is like, shocking how fast it happens.

givesomefucks ,

“It’s devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe ‘big F-ing deal’ Biden of 2010,” Clooney wrote. “He wasn’t even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.”

Biden is going to make some snide remark about him now…

Just like he has to every other supporter who didn’t give 100% loyalty forever.

Remember when we all made fun of trump for shit like this?

ShepherdPie ,

People are burying their heads in the sand and will act shocked and point fingers when Biden loses rather than actually try to do something about it while there’s still time.

crusa187 ,

Well, there is still time, and at least Clooney is trying to do something

TropicalDingdong ,

Biden is going to make some snide remark about him now…

“Listen, folks, you gotta understand, this guy, he’s just… well, y’know, he’s a real… um, like a, uh, y’know, a complete… ah, c’mon man, he’s a real knucklehead, can’t even… y’know, get it right, it’s just… malarkey.”

Maeve ,

Yes.

Infynis ,
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

I noticed he sounded like Trump in one of his recent statements. I guess this is just what happens when you insist on holding the most stressful job imaginable while well beyond the age of retirement

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