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gedaliyah ,
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Update: the soldiers involved are being investigated and the IDF has admitted wrongdoing.

Eheran ,

Gotta love that you get downvoted for saying that. Like what? Better not investigate?

corsicanguppy ,

It’s not uncommon to get downvotes for saying a fact someone doesn’t want to hear. And, no matter the fact, someone doesn’t want to hear it.

Or, he could simply be under Brigade from some unpopular opinion. I’m sure we all get that.

goferking0 ,

Add it to the list

notaviking ,

I am not going to say which war this was but I have heard veterans tell stories of strapping the enemy soldier to their vehicle and driving slowly across a suspected mined area, usually the poor soul will quickly identify all the hidden explosive zones. Not saying this is what’s happening, just reminded me of the story. Fucking wars

sndmn ,

I’m sure Israel will thoroughly investigate this crime and punish whoever took the video.

breadsmasher ,
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bUh BoTh SiDeS

Has any Palestinian strapped any Israelis to jeeps?

“The conduct of the forces in the video of the incident does not conform to the values of the IDF. The incident will be investigated and dealt with accordingly.”

aka IDF will do nothing

Blackmist ,

Has any Palestinian strapped any Israelis to jeeps?

Pretty sure that’s what happened on October 7th.

breadsmasher , (edited )
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October 7th

Are you referring to this event generally? So I can read further to understand you

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181

downvoted for asking a follow up 🙄

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Huh? I haven't heard about this before.

Shampiss ,

Man what a terrible choice of words.

By your standards I could provide a counter argument like: Has any Israeli launched an unprovoked attack on Palestinians and kidnapped 300 of them?

And then I sit on my biased moral throne and feel the meaningless superiority of my argument

Reality is not black and white. Both sides are bad

Hamas launched a horrible slaughter of civilians. they knew it would have consequences. The IDF would obviously retaliate but they are using too much force and causing extreme suffering

This war should stop as soon as possible. There is nothing to gain in prolonging this conflict

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

By your standards I could provide a counter argument like: Has any Israeli launched an unprovoked attack on Palestinians and kidnapped 300 of them?

Setting aside the naivety of calling October 7th unprovoked, uh... Yes?

Shampiss ,

The history of Palestine is super messy. All sides have committed terrible acts to the other, coming back hundreds of years. Each side can always look at recent history and claim X has provoked Y or Y has caused a disaster on X.

You can claim this was a provoked attack. I for once can hardly justify an attack on civilians. You can argue, Israel has done worse in the past, and while each side is biased, perhaps you’d be right.

My point is. This is an endless discussion

Both sides are bad. IMO the best outcome at the moment is to stop the conflict as soon as possible

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

coming back hundreds of years.

Huh? The conflict began about a hundred years ago.

You can claim this was a provoked attack. I for once can hardly justify an attack on civilians.

The attack had real military objectives. It wasn't just "let's kill some civilians in Israel".

IMO the best outcome at the moment is to stop the conflict as soon as possible

Only one side has the power to do that. Putting the oppressed and the oppressor on the same level only serves to justify their oppression.

The idea that the best outcome is to stop the conflict as soon as possible is correct, but for that you need Israel to acknowledge Palestinains' right to self-determination.

snek OP , (edited )
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Both sides are bad yada yada yada but only one side is a colonial ethnostate that is committing genocide. Let us not forget.

friendlymessage ,

And the only reason Hamas doesn’t do what IDF does is because they are incapable of doing it not because of any moral superiority

snek OP ,
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Really? Hamas are not committing ethnic cleansing for over 75 years because THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO?

Is this not some kind of rhetoric Israel uses to justify the killing of tens of thousands of innocent people?

Shampiss ,

As another comment noted. If Hamas had more firepower they would use more firepower.

They are not morally Superior to Israel.

Hamas started a conflict with an obviously more powerful military. They knew there would be consequences but they still chose violence over diplomacy. Obviously diplomacy in the middle east is terrible but I would never think that attacking civilians is a viable alternative to diplomacy.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

but they still chose violence over diplomacy.

Look at the PA and tell me that diplomacy with Israel works again.

snek OP ,
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I agree Hamas are idiots. But they cannot be blamed for the constant human rights violations of Israel. I don’t think many people here (IF ANY) think it was acceptable for them to attack civilians. Usually attempts to shed light on the crimes of Hamas are meant to divert the attention from the ongoing holocaust that Paleatinians are forced to go through on the hands of the IDF.

Ps. Diplomacy was never a viable option with Israel. They never make concessions or reasonable demands. So you can just forget about that weak point.

Shampiss ,

I did not mean to justify Israel’s actions by pointing out Hamas’s attack.

I agree that Israel has the sole power to stop this conflict. Every day they refuse to do some sort of ceasefire deal is a slaughter caused by Israel alone.

Netanyahu is likely prolonging the war due to political pressure and IMO should be considered a terrorist as well

friendlymessage ,

Are you fucking kidding me?

snek OP ,
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Imagine if every Palestinian Israel killed or raped had a wikipedia page.

friendlymessage ,

Not every Hamas victim does either, doesn’t change the fact that Hamas did exactly what IDF does here

snek OP ,
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But imagine if they did…

corsicanguppy ,

Has any Palestinian strapped any Israelis to jeeps?

I don’t think any Palestinians HAVE jeeps. If we want to find out, we can check with the country in control of all electricity, water, and food into the area: they’d have written ‘jeep’ down somewhere.

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