I find these kinds of oversimplifications childish and stifle any effort towards finding solutions. There’s a difference between what ought to happen and what is realistic and achievable. I know we’re on Lemmy and we all agree on the genocide, apartheid, colonialism, etc, but we ought to channel the conversation towards more productive outlets. Maybe you guys just learned about Palestine after October 7, but thie conflict has been going on for 75+ years.
Saying things like “Israelis need to abolish the state and go back to their own countries” is a vacuous and meaningless statement that feels good but contributes nothing. Children born last year in the state of Israel are not directly responsible for the establishment of the state of which they are citizens just like US citizens are not going to return to the original countries of their grandparents and return the lands they settled to Native Americans. It sucks, it happened, but we aren’t reversing the clock of time.
Israel is able to always gain the upper hand after each attack. Every time there is an attack or intifada Israel benefits because it:
a) responds with disproportionate aggression (see 30000+ deaths
b) expands settlements
To say that Israel supports Hamas is also kinda besides the point when the Palestinian population endorses Hamas overwhelmingly.
Instead, in my opinion, we should be pushing for an immediate ceasefire and steer the conversation towards a two state solution and the demolition of illegal settlements incurred in certain areas. The only way we can move forward is by getting realistic concessions from Israel. But that will never happen by using this feel good rhetoric such as eradicating all Israelis from the area. We gotta bring the Israelis to the table and stop the violence asap.