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DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

*convicted felon Donald Trump

HawlSera ,

I mean to be fair, the Chinese EVs are largely fake…

But, EVs in general are still the way of the future.

AI_toothbrush ,

Trains…

Malfeasant ,

Which are electric, so…

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

I mean to be fair, the Chinese EVs are largely fake…

What does that even mean?

HawlSera ,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ9hrB8RxFA&list=PL7Jmz7U… Here’s a show for ya

Basically, China has a bad habit of faking technological innovations as a PR stunt, with many of their Electric Vehicles being explosive combustion engines made to look EV to outsiders.

They have also claimed to have revived Karl Marx as an AI who “revealed” that he was “totally chinese the whole time”

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure they put a 100% tax on them because once you pop the hood the engine is 4 hamsters in wheels and everyone who drove these cars are paid CCP actors.

xlash123 ,
@xlash123@sh.itjust.works avatar

The article updated it’s headline to clarify that it wasn’t all EV sales. You can edit your post title to reflect that.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Good catch. Just updated

Veneroso ,

So does this mean Elon Musk turned down the offer to be official envoy to Mexico?

Adulated_Aspersion ,

A man of “freedom of choice” and “free market” I see.

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

As long as both of those choices refer to his buddies that pay him

TokenBoomer ,

The car companies have already built the infrastructure for EV’s, this isn’t going to happen.

graymess ,

Trump wants to ban all EV sales despite what Americans want.
Biden wants to ban China EV sales despite what Americans want.
About what we can expect from this stupid fucking election.

enbyecho ,

Biden wants to ban China EV sales despite what Americans want.

No. Biden wants to enact protectionist policies that increase the price of Chinese EVs. It’s true that some Dems are suggesting Chinese EVs be banned, notably Sherrod Brown. There are actually some pretty good arguments for doing so.

But I gotta be honest, if paying a bit more for a cheap ass brand new car is the worst of your concerns… well, I suggest you pay closer attention.

graymess ,

No, you’re right. The worst of my concerns is Biden’s insistence on making us complicit in a brutal genocide for a fascist foreign power.

Needlessly doubling the price of electric cars and bikes, collecting the difference as a tax on lower income Americans who would have most benefited from these much cheaper forms of personal transportation, while also posing as the environmentalist candidate, is just one example of the crock of shit we’re expected to participate in this year. Let’s just acknowledge that Biden is only here to defend and uphold billionaires, in this case, the ones who own the US car industry.

raspberriesareyummy ,

Republicans are worse in every aspect you talk about

AgentDalePoopster ,

Totally correct, and that doesn’t make Biden any better.

raspberriesareyummy ,

It doesn’t make Democrats any better than they are, but at least with Democrats you can have confidence that there will be another election in the future.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

No. There is no reason to protect the American auto companies. They sold out 80% of Americans to a policy of profiting off of selling fewer, more expensive cars in a world that they lobbied to make cars mandatory to exist in almost all of the United States.

What about that closer attention ?

StaySquared ,

Looks like he’s going after two items:

  • EV tax credits
  • Tailpipe emissions
UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I’m beginning to think Trump is just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.

dch82 ,

Always has been… 🧑‍🚀🔫👩‍🚀

acetanilide ,

Is the wall you’re referring to the one Mexico paid for?

DMBFFF ,
@DMBFFF@reddthat.com avatar

“It a beautiful wall, a fantastic wall, just look at it, ain’t it the best wall ever built? Didn’t I tell you, ‘promise made, promise kept.’?”

ameancow ,

I’m beginning to think he doesn’t have values of his own and has discovered that he can easily keep dangling simplistic talking points in front of America’s most ignorant and most vulnerable segment of simpletons and morons.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I might take it one step further and say that these aren’t Trump’s ideas. These are fossil fuel industry talking points that get pumped through a rich network of right wing talk radio dorks and Brietbart style news feeds and Joe Rogan guests.

Trump and his ilk are just the guys who can turn a talking point about “nobody is buying electric cars” into a real policy of “nobody is allowed to buy electric cars from over the border”.

TankovayaDiviziya , (edited )

It worked for him before-- it might work again. He is still neck to neck with Biden in polling after all.

ameancow ,

The probability we’re going to have Trump for a second term is so much higher than anyone realizes and it terrifies me every time some Millennial/GenZ shrugs and says “there’s no way that dude is getting in” with no intention of voting, because I have seen all this before.

TankovayaDiviziya ,

Younger folks are just electorally apathetic. This isn’t exclusive to GenZ and Millenials, if you look back on voter records in the '60s and '70s, even the young boomers at the time also did not vote in droves. It is an age thing more than any specific generational traits.

TheJims ,

He spitballs everything hoping that one day he might be right about something.

BigMacHole ,

That’s called FREEDOM and FREE MARKET CAPITALISM!

ameancow ,

Don’t forget limited government involvement in personal freedoms.

akilou ,

The party of limiting personal freedom.

If I want to buy an electric car, why shouldn’t I be able to?

SPRUNT ,

Because it takes profits from the oil industry, and we can’t have that!

/s

ameancow ,

If I want to buy an electric car, why shouldn’t I be able to?

Because you are only allowed personal freedoms if you express them like every other white conservative and fit a very narrowly defined picture of American culture, ethnicity and gender identity.

Doxatek ,

I don’t like Trump either. But as others here have said he didn’t say this. That’s a quote from the article the quote from him says “You won’t be able to sell those cars” not “I’ll ban all electric car sales”

dvoraqs ,

What’s the difference?

Everythingispenguins ,

The order of the words

jj4211 ,

One implies he will personally forbid them from selling.

The other implies no one will want to buy them because they’ll be too expensive by their nature.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

no one will want to buy them because they’ll be too expensive

China makes cheap electric vehicles. Why can’t American shoppers buy them?

Its almost as though the import price of the vehicle is a consequence of US trade policy.

jj4211 ,

I was not saying he is correct, saying that was his likely meaning in this context. He’s not exactly got a great track record of being smart or correct. Just in this case he didn’t seem to mean a ban outright.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

He explicitly called for a ban of EV imports from Mexico. What’s more outright than that?

todd_bonzalez ,
@todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee avatar

4 years of Trump as president, and people are still trying to see nuance in what he says? Were you asleep from 2017-2020? We know enough about how he talks to know what he means. He’s absolutely talking about blocking EV sales.

prole ,

It’s unreal. I’m convinced people are just collectively too stupid to ever fully escape this constant pull towards fascism.

We should maybe start getting used to the idea that we had a nice century or so of relative freedom and prosperity, and we’re lucky to have been alive during it.

jj4211 ,

He is still a dangerous cheat, corrupted, megalomaniac, and kind of stupid and easily manipulated. It’s just that he probably didn’t mean a ban in this case.

Just because he is dangerous doesn’t mean we should also embrace misinformation against him. Plenty of legitimate information is damning enough, to embrace misinformation sites nothing but undermine the legitimate reasons to keep him the hell away from leadership.

prole ,

I will accept just about anything to stop the fascism from taking control of our country at this point.

This has already been a propaganda war, the left just sucks at it. And when you’re up against people willing to fight dirty with the future of the Republic at stake, and you’re not willing to meet them at their level, you lose every time. And this is something we cannot lose.

So no, I’m ok with interpreting what we all fucking know he meant anyway, based on the ridiculous way he speaks and having to listen to it constantly for the past decade. I’m ok with that little stretch if it means my gay and trans friends in Florida don’t end up against the fucking wall in a year and a half.

It’s starting to get dire. I really don’t think people grasp what happens if he wins again. And it will happen quickly.

jj4211 ,

Precisely because he says so much dangerous and stupid stuff we shouldn’t feel the need to potentially misrepresent something else.

Like I can tactically see why Fox News latched into just the dumbest stuff for Obama because Obama didn’t give them anything legitimate to work with to discredit him. Trump about hourly does or says something so terrible that we shouldn’t have to resort to potentially misrepresenting stuff.

Devcatdan ,

Why are people downvoting this? Trump is a literal poison, but misinformation is misinformation. The author changed the meaning: “You won’t be able to sell those cars, because they won’t have EV incentives” NOT “because I’ll ban them.”

Objection ,

Tribalism is a hell of a drug.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Trump is a literal poison, but misinformation is misinformation.

Trump: “Won’t someone rid me of these meddlesome electric vehicles?!”

Media: “Trump calls for elimination of electric vehicles.”

Terminally Online Guy: “Um, aktuly, its ephebophilia”.

WldFyre ,

“You won’t be able to have an abortion, I never said I’d ban it, though!”

Maggoty ,

That’s a funny way to get the auto companies and unions in the three states Biden really needs to go all in on Biden.

I’m confused. Both of them seem to be trying to lose this election.

LrdThndr ,

Brewster’s Millions gets more and more realistic by the day.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0

TokenBoomer ,

Vote “none of the above.”

nondescripthandle ,

Why? Better margins on gas cars, I think industrial Michigan would love this because it means they won’t be squeezed into electric car manufacturing. I get told by big 3 engineers that if it wasn’t for the subsidies they wouldn’t be electrifying their fleets. The consumer may not like it, unions may not like it, but the companies could give a damn.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I get told by big 3 engineers that if it wasn’t for the subsidies they wouldn’t be electrifying their fleets.

We’ve been subsidizing ICE vehicles for the better part of the last century. Famously, Bush Jr passed enormous tax cuts for SUVs and other “light trucks” back in 2003.

Congress recently passed a tax bill, as proposed in President Bush’s economic stimulus plan, that offers a $100,000 tax credit for business owners who purchase any vehicle weighing 6,000 pounds or more when fully loaded.

Because these rules didn’t require a business to exist for a minimum length of time or post a profit, car dealerships would help buyers spin up small businesses on the spot in order to avail themselves of the credit. SUVs flooded the market and have been a load on the national car fleet ever since.

Now we’re pivoting to electric vehicles in order to stay competitive globally, and (fossil fuel endorsed) business magazines have suddenly started poo-pooing the idea of vehicle subsidies as unnatural. Curious.

nondescripthandle ,

I answered that in the first post. Better margins on ice, thats why businesses ‘suddenly’ don’t like the current subsidies we have.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Yeah, that corporate tax credit is also why the Ford F-150 is the most commonly purchased vehicle by millionaires and billionaires. It’s the smallest vehicle able to be classified as a work truck, to qualify for tax credits. They can basically deduct the entire cost of the vehicle on their taxes, because they purchase it through a shell corporation (of which they’re the sole owner and operator.)

Teppichbrand ,

Petro-masculinity poster-boy

bradorsomething ,

Working at the onion must be so. hard. right now

“Donald Trump will kill ‘at least seven prostitutes’ while in office.”

No… how about “Donald Trump sings the entire National Anthem on key.”

“Donald Trump finally unmasked as secret santa in Harlem children’s program.”

Wait… I think I unlocked a secret.

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

“Donald Trump goes home to family, enjoys quiet evening with loved ones”

bradorsomething ,

“Donald Trump Spends Six Minutes in Silence Contemplating a Tree”

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“Donald Trump says he Loves his Dear Son Eric and would move Heaven and Earth for Him”

Or is that going too far?

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

the thing about jokes and satire is that they’re funniest when they have a nugget of truth to them.

I’m not even sure Eric is related to Donald.

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