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LordCrom ,

Genocide is the goal. How do you negotiate peace between 2 sides that 100 % believe the other side should be eradicated

ZeroTHM ,

One is an ally, and the other isn’t. It should be clear how to resolve it.

hermitix_world ,

Yeah, stop funding the genocidal ally.

Forester ,
@Forester@yiffit.net avatar

The cynic in me thinks the IDF would not use $3000 in munitions to kill four random guys. Bullets are dirt cheap fpv bomb drones are expensive. From that I can only assume someone really wanted to kill one of them for some reason that we can not determine from the limited footage. I’m not saying war crimes including intentional starvation and indiscriminate fire are not happening but I don’t think this is one of them this looks far too coordinated and planned to be a random act of aggression.

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

This isn’t the first or even new example, it’s been happening for years. Even to the point where Hamas and other militant groups claimed that the IDF was poor at infantry fighting which is why they overly rely on vehicles and standoff weapons.

I think it’s just that because Israel is doing a large scale offensive, the fog of “they were Hamas” doesn’t fly anymore so its much more reportable in the media, along with an increase of examples.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

For those that haven’t seen the video yet:

NSFL(Death + Gore): Video mirror

Bombings at 1:00, 1:50 and 2:15

Slow mo compilation showing the bombs with red circles: NSFL ( Death + Gore): imgur.com/a/e1XWdfY

Prandom_returns ,

This is going to be unpopular, but how do we know they’re non-combatants? Just because they’re unarmed at the moment the video is filmed, doesn’t make the non-combatants, AFAIK.

We’re basing this on the opinion of a a biased reporter, who wached the video and described what they saw?

Disclaimer, required around here:
Fuck Israeli Government.
Fuck Hamas.

Gloomy ,
@Gloomy@mander.xyz avatar

Yep, there is no context for this and heavy framing in the article. I agree with both of your Disclamers, but this is just propaganda.

WaxedWookie ,

The context is the HD video footage of the IDF drone striking obvious unarmed civilians.

Where’s the context showing these people were enemy combatants deserving a death sentence by drone strike? Do you always take the “guilty until proven innocent” line, or is this a race thing?

Prandom_returns ,

And this is how you turn a conversation into a pile of shit.

WaxedWookie ,

By pointing to evidence to back my claim and asking for consistent standards and something vaguely resembling the rule of law?

How do you propose we make the conversation better?

Prandom_returns ,

You’re implying racism when there might be none in order to bolster your weak argument.

WaxedWookie ,

By all means, tell me what their position is. Failing that, what’s the charitable assumption to make here?

As far as I can see, the likely options are:

  • They support the genocide
  • They don’t care about the rule of law

The former is more common in this context, but it’s both weird and worthless of you to insert yourself into the conversation to defend someone’s positions that (unless you can confidently answer this question) you don’t understand. Just like that, you’ve derailed the conversation into this irrelevant shit - what was your complaint again? Oh…

Prandom_returns ,

As far as I can see, the likely options are:

You can’t see very far then.

I don’t agree with your position, so you’re probably racist. Good day.

WaxedWookie ,

You forgot that alternative explanation you insist exists, champ.

Prandom_returns ,

Okay keyboard activist

WaxedWookie ,

Are you implying keyboard activism when there might be none in order to bolster your weak argument?

Trot on, you weird hypocritical defender of genocide deniers.

Prandom_returns ,

Quote where they denied genocide.

I’m not defending them. I’m pointing out your shit reasoning.

Are you 15 years old and trying to sound edgy and trendy? Are all your friends keyboard activists and you’re feeling peer-pressured into typing nonsense?

WaxedWookie ,

Yep, there is no context for this and heavy framing in the article. I agree with both of your Disclamers, but this is just propaganda.

Dismissing HD footage of people that are clearly civilians being bombed, as propaganda.

You’ve presumably seen my evidence at this point - where’s the evidence justifying the execution of these people? Or is it Hamas (and a death sentence) until proven innocent?

Prandom_returns ,

You keep using that word ‘evidence’, but you are absolutely clueless what it means.

I could tell you that those men are russian soldiers about to rape another child in Ukraine, and would have as much merit as that clip shared on twitter.

There’s no proof of time, location, intention, identity etc. etc.

This is facebook-mom levels of nonsense.

‘HD footage’, you’re even parroting the nonsense terms you learned from your peers.

Talking about ‘until proven innocent’, why are you automatically assuming the Israeli is at fault here? Where’s the trial? Are you an anti-semite? Is this a race thing (again)?

You have no fucking clue who the targets were, how long have they been under surveillance, what they were doing, where they were going. This video is literally rage bait for facebook moms and teen-keyboard-activists. Share it so people think you’re cool.

A video CAN work as evidence, but it has to bo supported by a million other things. Saying otherwise dismisses all the hard work people are actually doing ivestigating each and every single warcrime and potential warcrime.

I can make a video of you torturing a puppy with a “I can’t believe…” headline in 30minutes if you want. But it wouldn’t be proof, nor evidence that it’s you, that it’s now, etc.

Jesus, thanks for making me spell it out for you…

WaxedWookie ,

So I’ll throw you a bone - here’s the most Israel-friendly source possible - The Times of Israel reporting on the IDF admitting it was them..

Again, clearly civilians - we’ll need evidence to the contrary - particularly when 60%-70% of the Palestinians killed have been children. Guess they were Hamas too, right?

Prandom_returns , (edited )

Did you read what whas said in that article, or…?

You have yet to quote where the other person denied genocide, or was even slightly racist.

You haven’t even denied you’re an anti-semite (“clearly”). Stop defending hamas!!! /s

Also, you highlighted perfectly, perfectly how videos like this have no merit. One side says they’re civilians, the other - terrorists. And it’s absolutely will not be known until this is investigated properly, not by keyboard warriors and facebook moms, but by people who matter.

WaxedWookie ,

Did you read what whas said in that article, or…?

Yep - the IDF said they killed them, so you’ll be falling back from that dumb position to the next one - they were Hamas (like all those kids) I’ll let you point out the evidence that’s the case.

Also, you highlighted perfectly, perfectly how videos like this have no merit. One side says they’re civilians, the other - terrorists.

When 60%+ of the people you’re killing are children and you’re spouting openly genocidal rhetoric while making unsubstantiated claims those you’re killing are terrorists, it’s responsible to ask for evidence from the perspective of the rule of law (remember when you got all salty about that) and assessing warcrimes. You don’t get to bomb someone, just say they’re a terrorist, and walk free.

it’s absolutely will not be known until this is investigated properly, not by keyboard warriors and facebook

Ah yes - kill 'em all and (fail to) find the evidence to justify killing them later.

…but you care about genocide the rule of law, right?

Prandom_returns ,

Sigh… We’re going in circles. You’re hopless. I’m done.

WaxedWookie ,

Yep - right back around to confirming what you got butthurt about - your disregard of the rule of law, and genocide denial. Difference is that we know it’s both rather than an either/or now.

Prandom_returns ,

Literally, a pigeon on a chessboard…

Prandom_returns ,

Who’s “we”, you and other facebook nutjobs? I’m fine with that. You guys seem to “know” things all the time.

WaxedWookie ,

You and I. Do you struggle broadly with reading comprehension, or does your brain dribble out your ear only when talking about Israel and things like the rule of law?

I’m just taking your word on your positions - it seems you’ve made them pretty clear.

Prandom_returns ,

You’re literally just a catchphrase parrot. I hope you get the attention you so desperately seek.

You’re just repeating nonsense with your ears plugged. Over and over, so you feel better about the atrocities that are happening in Gaza. You think that repeating things that have absolutely no merit, somehow helps the people of Gaza. Sadly you being a keyboard activist on a random ass videos, that have no shred of credibility, and pressing “like” on facebook posts does absolutely fuck-all.

You can call me racist and a denier, in the end, I don’t give a shit about your opinion. You’re a person who is just reacting to bright colours and loud souds, a Karen who would call the cops on a black man standing around, because it’s “clearly” “evidence” of a crime.

Please, don’t hesitate to continue to repeat the same things over and over, it’s rather entertaining. Lemmy needs engagement. I’ll play along.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

If you’ve ever seen a Hamas video they sneak through the opnenings in the sides of buildings. They certainly don’t walk around in the open like this without worries.

The burden of evidence lies on israel, and just like that time they drone striked an ambulance, no evidence will be presented.

Prandom_returns ,

We can’t deduce shit from a video like this, especially when it’s just posted on “X” by a strongly biased source.

I’ll wait for a credible source to report on this, twitter bullshit can stay in twitter.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

That’s an interesting way to deny video evidence.

Prandom_returns ,

Lmao, you have no idea what those words mean.

Mastengwe , (edited )

For someone who is constantly getting their shit removed and banned for misinformation, you sure seem confident that this video is evidence of anything.

Unless you were there, or capable of identifying the people in this video- you can only admit that you know absolutely NOTHING about it.

Anything less is misinformation and/or opinion and should be dismissed as such.

Maggoty ,

If Israel brought out video evidence of these specific guys doing stuff before then I’d agree. But with their track record the burden is definitely on them to prove these guys were combatants they just happened to catch unaware.

Prandom_returns ,

I’m sure the Israeli government has a lot of their hands right now to comment on every twitter video posted by a person who’s location is set to Gaza.

If this is actually a war crime, I hope the culprits are punished accordingly.

Other than that, I’m going to treat this as yet another twitter video, without context, cut to fit an agenda, with some blood-boiling comment.

Maggoty ,

They’re welcome to send that proof to the NYT.

3ntranced ,

If Isreal keeps this up I wouldn’t be surprised if the neo-nazis start gaining traction again.

Starkstruck ,

As if they aren’t already

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

Germany just had one of it’s largest marches because the Neo-Nazis, Conservative Party, and Nationalists where caught plotting to take over the government and take Germany back to being controlled by some nationalist nazi party

werefreeatlast ,

That’s how easy we could finish putin’s war. Nope, instead some random people who are probably innocent or at least not doing anything other than talking and walking, instead they get the several million gifts.

hperrin ,

Israel is actually torturing and killing children and the Republican Party still supports them.

FunkPhenomenon ,

Biden still supports them, and he’s the President.

Yamainwitch ,

Well they were already born so clearly this is gOd’S pLaN.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

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    hperrin ,

    I didn’t blame Republicans, I said they support Israel. They do. And my comment was pointing out the irony about how Republicans are passing a bunch of anti-trans and anti-abortion laws under the pretense of “protecting kids” and fringe Republicans think Democrats are torturing and killing children, but when given the chance to actually condemn violence against real children, they don’t.

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    kinther ,
    @kinther@lemmy.world avatar

    You sure about that?

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Do israeli bombs appear out of thin air?

    kinther ,
    @kinther@lemmy.world avatar

    The burden of proof is on the one making claims good sir. You should be prepared to back up your claims with reputable sources, lest people start thinking you’re just a propagandist.

    No one is denying a genocide is taking place. You need to step your game up. This isn’t the little leagues.

    HurlingDurling ,
    @HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s because none of them are unborn. Everyone knows that the Republican party supports children until they are born.

    HootinNHollerin ,

    Terrible

    ininewcrow ,
    @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

    … and the majority of the world just shrugs their collective shoulders …

    Meh, waddaya gonna do?

    At this point, our collective indifference to these atrocities makes us complicit.

    cyborganism ,

    No I think the majority of the world is appalled at what Israel is doing. It’s the governments being pressured by Zionist organisations and also the risk of losing the only western ally in the Middle East.

    Governments today don’t represent their people anymore. Not when most democracies are voting for the lesser of two evils all the time.

    Maggoty ,

    We have so many allies in the middle east. We have countries with larger bases and countries with more bases. There’s no military reason to keep supporting Israel.

    cyborganism ,

    What other allies? Who am I missing?

    Maggoty ,

    These guys-

    images.app.goo.gl/YjCnr2rftUZpWPi18

    automaton ,

    This is what pure evil looks like. Pure genocide.

    ghostdoggtv ,

    Calling Israel terrorists is actually an insult to the meaning of terrorism

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Jfc. :'(

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