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MasterObee , (edited )

You skipped over #5, huh? Or #6, that despite a surge the murder rate is

I actually didn’t! #5 - “Annual government surveys from the Bureau of Justice Statistics show no recent increase in the U.S. violent crime rate.” If you wanted me to look and note how this is not at all your claim, I’ll do it. I just thought it was redundant. So that proves your statement false again.

#6 - Is an estimate based on a survey that they claim showed no increase. Once again, against what you said of decreasing. Here’s a useful quote for you: “It relies on data voluntarily submitted by thousands of local police departments, but many law enforcement agencies do not participate. In the latest FBI study, around four-in-ten police departments

Your argument of violent crime going down is incorrect based on this survey taken of police departments that only really 40% shared. I don’t think that’s the smoking gun you want, especially because it’d be friendly fire.

#7 - if you have an issue with what I quoted, please show me what goes against my argument, and for yours.

Regarding the second link, I understand, I hate when I am looking for something specific, that should be easy to find (I also looked up homicides by police over years and couldn’t find much) - but I still, it does look like rates, specifically over the last 5 years have been on an upward tend. That’s worrying, I’m curious the analysis on this.

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