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Linkerbaan , (edited )
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Last time America fought the Nazis

Now they are the Nazis

bradorsomething ,

“Marines still talk fondly of invading Grenada.”

postmateDumbass , (edited )

youtu.be/2XOwNpZ9XDM?t=56

sylver_dragon ,

This probably says more about the lack of large scale, peer on peer conflicts since WWII than the capabilities of the Houthis. The Houthis are one of the first groups with the capability, positioning and willingness to directly attack US Navy assets.

peopleproblems ,

Willingness

Yeah I don’t know if they really know what they are doing because of that

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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Admiral has a hard on for a conflict the US shouldn’t be involved in.

PP_BOY_ ,
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The US shouldn’t be involved in half of its conflicts since WW2.

apfelwoiSchoppen , (edited )
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Agreed. This is an extension to the genocidal rampage of Israel and the US needs to cease. Stop funding and arming Israel and the Houthis stop. mei.edu/…/yemen-palestine-strategic-depth-houthi-…

Ooops ,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

"We will randomly attack and kill civilians until you do what we demand" went by another name for quite some time...

But hey... we all know that things like terrorism, war crimes or genocide are suddenly okay once you agree with the cause. So keep being a proud cheerleader for terrorism.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

I assume you are referring to the US there buddy.

Ooops ,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

No, I'm referring to reality, not your alternate mirror-universe version.

The one where militants attacking civilians don't become innocent civilians because you like their terror.

Remmock ,

So Israel, then.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

Yes reality of systemic terrorism vs insurgent non-state terrorism. The US is absolutely a terrorist state causing the majority of the insurgent non-state terrorism to which you speak. The US being Team America: World Police will never solve these conflicts, only exacerbate and spread them. If you think these things happen in a vaccum without provocation, then you need start reading more broadly.

paddirn ,

The official slogan of the Houthi movement (it’s not just a tribe, it’s more a group on par with Al Qaeda at this point): “God Is Great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam”. So yeah, it’s those kind of people. It’s great that they want peace in Gaza and all, but they also want some other not so great things too.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Targeted attacks against IDF terrorist ships

“Randomly attack civilians”

Pick one

Ooops ,
@Ooops@kbin.social avatar

I pick the reality of civilian transport ships actually attacked over Houthi propaganda.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

So fiction.

ZapBeebz_ ,

I’ll bet you $100 that if the US ceased all arms shipments to Israel tomorrow, we’d still have months of houthi missile attacks on ships in the Red Sea.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

That’s weird because when there was a temporary ceasefire in Gaza the Houthis practically stopped attacking.

I would make the bet with you but I know you won’t pay up.

FlyingSquid ,
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Half seems low.

Rapidcreek OP ,

Protection of international shipping waters is in the world’s best interest, which is why so many countries have Navy in the Red Sea.

I_Has_A_Hat ,

The Houthis attacked international trade ships, including US trade ships. Why should the US not be involved?

Nudding ,

I thought they attacked because Biden is supporting a genocide. If that’s the case more power to them.

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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Yep. Agitation to the country arming Israel.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a very convenient excuse for them, yes. Too bad none of the ships they are attacking are aiding Israel in any way or it would be more believable.

Nudding ,

Take what you can get I spose.

NoIWontPickaName ,

They’re more precise at messaging and delivering the pain where it is best applied than most of the climate protestors.

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

They're too indiscriminate, that's for sure, but to say none of the ships they're attacking have anything to do with Israel is just wrong. Israel is currently freaking out over the lack of Red Sea trade.

FlyingSquid ,
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I’m sure they are, along with every other nation that does trade on the Red Sea. What genocide is Eritrea committing right now?

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

I’m sure they are, along with every other nation that does trade on the Red Sea.

Israel particularly is dependent on red sea trade, since it's literally next to them. Again, I do acknowledge they're too indiscriminate, but you can't deny the results.

FlyingSquid ,
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The results of probably bankrupting Eritrea? Because I’m pretty sure they don’t deserve that.

queermunist ,
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The US shouldn’t be defending Israel.

KISSmyOS ,

Did you even read the comment you replied to?

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

The Houthis were not attacking all ships. They were only attacking ships connected to Israel, the US got directly involved to defend Israel. Now they’re attacking US and UK ships too, but only because of the unlimited support and defense for Israel.

KISSmyOS ,

Got it, when Houthis attack British civilian ships, it’s the Jews’ fault.

/s

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

🙄

It’s the UKs fault for the unlimited support and defense of Israel’s genocide (not “the Jews” but specifically the settler-colonial Zionist entity literally created from the British mandate). We supposedly have a duty under the genocide convention to prevent genocide, after all.

FlowVoid ,

The Houthi flag literally displays the words “Curse upon the Jews”. And that flag is 20 years old.

queermunist ,
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Yes yes, they’re very problematic.

What do you think “blowback” is?

FlowVoid ,

It’s not an excuse for anti-Semitism

queermunist ,
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And anti-Semitism is not an excuse for genocide.

The Houthis having problematic views about Jews doesn’t change the fact that their attacks are directly motivated by the genocide. If Israel stops the genocide, the Houthis stop attacking. Simple as.

obviouspornalt ,

If Israel stops the genocide, the Houthis stop attacking.

That’s a weird way to spell “as soon as Iran stops fighting a proxy war against Western interests, the Houthis stop attacking”

The Israeli actions merely provide pretext.

FlowVoid ,

Hard to believe, considering that Houthis also attacked US vessels in 2016

NoneOfUrBusiness ,

Uh... There was an ongoing US-Saudi genocide against Yemen in 2016.

FlowVoid ,

Then their attacks are not actually motivated by Israel.

sugarfree ,
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They don’t get to launch missiles at any ships lol, that’s terrorism regardless of their stated motive.

queermunist ,
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It’s only terrorism when enemies of the US do it.

sugarfree ,
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It’s terrorism regardless of who does it. Are you suggesting that allies of the US can fire missiles at random ships and have it not deemed to be terrorism?

queermunist ,
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“At random ships” is a lie. They’re attacking strategically.

Also, looking at what Israel is doing, it’s clear that US allies can kill anyone they want and have it not deemed to be terrorism.

bartolomeo ,
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Yes they can even fire at U.S. ships if they want, but they might get fined. Nothing a little U.S. foreign aid won’t cover, though.

queermunist ,
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Actually, have the Houthis killed anyone yet? I’m having trouble sifting through the headlines.

sugarfree ,
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They haven’t killed anyone yet with their ship attacks, thanks to the hard work of the coalition working against them.

queermunist ,
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Or they’re not trying to kill people.

But that doesn’t fit the narrative.

“Terrorists” like the E.L.F. 🙄 an inconvenience to commerce that targets goods, not people

sugarfree ,
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Or they’re not trying to kill people.

They are shooting missiles at defenceless civilian ships, lol. What an absurd thing to say.

queermunist ,
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And yet no one has died.

HandBreadedTools ,

Not sure about here but yeah they definitely execute a lot of people for being gay: lgbtqnation.com/…/yemen-will-publicly-stone-cruci…

I have 0 sympathy for barbaric ideas like executing people for being queer. I cannot imagine they ever act in any measure of good faith, regardless of the scenario.

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s bad, but not relevant to whether or not the red sea attacks are terrorism.

festus ,

They literally hit a ship a while back heading to Iran - they “say” they were only targeting ships to Israel but in practice they’re targeting every ship that goes through the area.

queermunist ,
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Says the US military.

bartolomeo ,
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suppo.fi/comment/2333753

Some people aren’t interested in more than the narrative, but I always do support your fighting with them.

njm1314 ,

They were only attacking ships they claim were related to Israel, no one with a brain stem should believe them. We already know for a fact they weren’t.

bartolomeo ,
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Actually if you do a little reading you’ll find out that they are. Ownership of large vessels is intentionally convoluted so as to lower the tax burden of very wealthy people, so when people without a brain stem see a Marshall Islands flagged ship they say “wElL tHAt a’iNT isRaEL tHEm hOOtiES is atTAcKin uNdiSCRiminiTLikE!!1” but actually, well just check it out below.

suppo.fi/comment/2333753

njm1314 ,

Deadlink

FluffyPotato ,

Link is dead so im gonna list the attacks I looked into and still remember.

So those 2 Russian oil tankers were actually owned by Israel? A few other “connected to Israel” ships I remember were 1 officer on board a UK ship was from Israel and some business guy was a member of the board in the company that owned another ship. The vast majority of ships getting attacked have come from or gone to Saudi Arabia and India.

They are just doing Somali pirates 2.

GBU_28 ,

Is the admiral in charge of that decision? Are the crews of the trade ships in charge of that?

queermunist ,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Just following orders.

GBU_28 ,

Not even. They have zero to do with it.

ZapBeebz_ ,

No they shouldn’t. However, the houthis are still the aggressor in this situation. They are attacking international shipping in international waters, and blaming America for their own actions. To say it is the fault of the US that ships are being attacked in the Red Sea (as you are so heavily implying) is pretty fucking naive, not to mention irresponsible.

queermunist ,
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Pretty sure Israel is the aggressor. The Houthis are just taking whatever actions they can to prevent genocide.

caoimhinr ,
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Firing at civilians prevents genocide?

queermunist ,
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Firing at ships. If they were firing directly at civilians there’d have been at least a few deaths, but there haven’t. They’re sabotaging economic supply lines to a genocidal state, part of the reason Israel’s economy has slumped almost 20%

grozzle ,

Pretending that civilian ships don’t have people on board is a… weird tactic.

queermunist ,
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Why haven’t any civilians died?

aesc ,
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Sounds like something a person with a shipping interest near Cape Agulhas would say.

TheGrandNagus ,

Well yeah, the US hasn’t really clashed with many naval powers since then, and now enemy forces can trivially fly drones and other remote-controlled bomb-delivery devices that previously weren’t accessible.

FlyingSquid , (edited )
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Have there been any real naval battles since WWII? In Korea and Vietnam, didn’t the Navy mostly just fire missiles from offshore and act as as a platform for launching planes and transporting troops and cargo?

Edit: Apologies, I meant U.S. naval battles.

Rapidcreek OP ,

The Falkland War is one that comes to mind due to the first use of anti ship missles.

FlyingSquid ,
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Wasn’t that between the UK and Argentina?

Edit: Oh, I see, I wasn’t clear. I meant U.S. naval battles. My fault.

Ooops ,
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No, that's the whole point making this statement worthless.

FlyingSquid ,
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I guess the admiral is expecting that whoever he’s making this point to that he wants to believe it doesn’t know any relatively recent U.S. history.

Sadly, he’s probably right.

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