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itsyourmom , in This car was stolen from a driveway in Canada. We found it in West Africa
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That is wild! I watched the videos in the linked article, and I’m shocked how easy it is to steal vehicles!

I guess what I see in the movies/shows if hot wiring and the time that takes isn’t the norm nowadays.

IMO I feel like the Shipping Ports need to step up their game as far as inspections and stop the cars BEFORE they’ve been shipped to other countries. I would hope that the car insurance companies would be willing to help the cost of this increased inspections, considering they have to pay the value of the stolen vehicles to the owners…

girlfreddy OP ,
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Port authorities do need to do that, but first the feds have to give them more money and raise staffing levels … cause right now there is not enough people or funding to do the job right.

dudewitbow ,

The physical key and a keyfob is like manual vs automatic. It doesn’t fully prevent your car from being stolen, but it does make it harder to steal said car.

I love to blame how terrible software and ux is in cars as theyre very unreliable, but yes, a lot of this is a port problem

MNByChoice , in Some small towns in America are disbanding police forces, citing hiring woes

Honestly, the USA should nationalize the police. Standards and police academies (just a movie in many places, not an actual thing).

Cops could be rotated, and internal affairs could find and remove bad cops. Less local corruption.

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

The issue with rotations being “normal” is that it makes it trivial to protect abusers. Just look at the catholic church where it is pretty obvious that any time there is a new priest in town, some kid got molested.

I am also not convinced we would have good national standards considering how many red states are actively trying to cripple education.

JungleJim ,

At least it’s one target to fight to fix rather than every small town’s own shitty way to be shitty, and blue states would in theory try to counter the red state shittiness.

paholg ,

I don’t know enough to know if nationalizing the police is a good idea, but that’s already an issue. Police can and do just move from one department to another.

At the very least there should be a national license or record that follows them.

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

There already are records that follow them. Arrest records and police reports. Then the police union plays the qualified immunity card and gets them all their back pay.

lolcatnip ,

Solution: outlaw police unions and void their existing contracts. They’re the one category of unions I don’t support.

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

Which gets back to “If we lived in a utopia, these steps toward fixing society wouldn’t be an issue”

I hate police unions and consider them organized crime. But I am generally going to vote against ANY precedent for the government breaking up a union because that is the kind of slippery slope that actually has consequences. Instead, I push for politicians who want to get rid of qualified immunity.

Drivebyhaiku ,

I mean it works pretty decently in Canada. We have two ways of becoming a police officer and two systems. The College route is a two year program that focuses on police sciences, psychology, ethics and law. Then there is the RCMP route where you get shipped off for intensive training where you live millitary boot camp style for 6 months for a concentrated version with some physical training and then basically get a cadet status to be apprenticed out to a detachment.

Municipalities can choose to either have a police department run by them or to contract a federal detachment of the RCMP. The RCMP are only on the hook to solve federal law and bylaw enforcement is largely outside their perveiw. They are however cheaper for a Municipality because they are paid for in part by provincial government and 30 percent of their cost comes from the federal level.

The accountability is I think a little better than hiring people with just a GED. The investment of time and education makes a difference particularly since there’s a pretty heavy emphasis on de-escalation models of policing up here. Having an officer actually draw their firearm up here much less point it at a person is a shock.

bobman ,

Yeah, I was with him until he said some bullshit about ‘rotating’ cops.

Always something, lol.

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

There really just shouldn’t be cops.

dethb0y , in Some small towns in America are disbanding police forces, citing hiring woes

My town didn’t have cops for over three years, and it was totally fine.

ares35 , in Airbnb bookings dry up in New York as new short-stay rules are introduced
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the early days of airbnb was basically this concept.

they didn't start out as a marketplace for unregulated hotels that destroy housing markets. that didn't happen until after they started cashing checks venture vulture capitalists.

Overzeetop ,

So many people forget this origin. Air mattress in your spare room (in SF), iirc.

As much as I, personally, prefer a house when away - either with the family or as a couple - this is one of the drivers behind the crunch in housing. People can’t possibly afford to by a place to live when the competition is a wanna-be property “entrepreneur” who is going to get 2-4x market rent by doing short term rentals.

NateNate60 ,

Originally my mum moved my brother and I into the same room and rented out the empty room for $40 a night. The cleaning fee was $20 and we still cleared $2,000 in one summer.

My brother and I each got a 5% cut and we bought ice creams from Safeway every day for a week until we got wicked stomach aches

mustardman ,

I believe it since that’s how actual BNBs work.

TWeaK , in Florida Man Charged Over Failed Attempt to Cross Atlantic in Giant ‘Hamster Wheel’

What a crappy article, it doesn’t even say what he was charged with.

Beginning on an unknown date and continuing through on or about August 29, 2023, upon the highseas outside the jurisdiction any particular state or district, in international waters, while on board a vessel subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, the defendant(s) violated:

18 U.S.C. §2237(a)(2)(A) Obstruction of a Boarding

46U.S.C. §70036(b)(1) Violation of a Captain of the Port Order

Basically he’s being done for resisting arrest while at sea.

INHALE_VEGETABLES ,

Just run across the ocean in a mobius strip and the arrest the world for stowing away. Check mate.

GiuseppeAndTheYeti ,

Well his other option was starvation/dehydration leading to death so…

lemmyseizethemeans , in Carbon markets are 'bogus solutions' as rich world keeps polluting, African Climate Summit is told

Capitalism trying to capitalism it’s way out of a capitalism caused crisis. Classic.

I_annoy_you ,

most polluting country is communist china.

TipRing , in All signs point to a rise in Covid

I just tested positive for the first time and thanks to the US FDA rule changes, I have to physically go to the doctor to get Paxlovid, putting more people at risk. Very frustrating.

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  • TipRing ,

    They did not. Though I was the only one there so not really a problem though the admins were pretty slapdash with their masks. Smh.

    Iteria , (edited ) in Airbnb bookings dry up in New York as new short-stay rules are introduced
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    I was with them until they banned more than 1 guests at a time. Are you a couple needed somewhere quick to stay before going to an airport or something? Go die in a fire. New York only wants solo couch surfers. People who want a friend along. A single person with a child. A family in a money crunch, anyone really can just pound sand.

    That is a super bizarre and IMO indefensible position. If someone wants to host more than one person in their home for a short span why is does they city even care?

    I’m also worried about how this could be abused. What if you legitimately take someone (or even two someones) in for a week, kick them out and then they report you for being “an unregistered short term rental”. This is going to be a shitshow.

    Edit: alright I misread this morning. It’s 2. Still bullshit. Why have a limit at all with the other stuff. My same complaints apply now with one more person. It’s not like 3 people groups (aka 2 parents an a single child or one parent and 2 children, etc) are uncommon.

    IMO hotels just don’t fill the niche of needing a cheap single night or needing to have a bunch of people for a long time. Traveling with my family got so much better when airBNB became a thing.

    Carobu ,

    “Are you a couple needed somewhere quick to stay before going to an airport or something?”

    Damn, if only there was some sort of established and regulated type of business where you could rent lodging by the night in New York City. I bet they could make a whole lot of money building big buildings full of rooms you can rent like that.

    “What if you legitimately take someone (or even two someones) in for a week”

    Do you make a habit of charging your friends and family that come visit you?

    Shardikprime ,

    Maybe they do. What’s that to anyone else? Maybe they also eat broccoli and mint ice cream

    bluGill ,

    Airbnb is a lot better than a hotel for families: you get several bedrooms plus a full kitchen for a similar price to a hotel that only gives you two beds in a room. That kitchen will save a typical family $100/day over a hotel if they cook their own meals.

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  • bluGill ,

    Your city needs to build more if there is a problem. People who live there should not have more rights than people who visit.

    SaltySalamander ,
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    AirBNB isn't a right.

    Iteria ,
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    Damn, if only there was some sort of established and regulated type of business where you could rent lodging by the night in New York City. I bet they could make a whole lot of money building big buildings full of rooms you can rent like that.

    As someone who has a big ass family, hotels fucking suck for families. When I compare my childhood vacations in hotel to what we do now in airBNB, we do airBNB every single time.

    Do you make a habit of charging your friends and family that come visit you?

    I have in the past when I was hard up for money because food costs for extra people can be great.

    MNByChoice ,

    From article and summary:

    More than two guests at a time are not allowed

    Where are you seeing a limit of 1?

    Iteria ,
    @Iteria@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I read it in the summary, but I guess I made a mistake. I still think it’s ridiculous. Like why have a limit at all on who people want to host in their house?

    merridew ,

    There are typically limits on residential building occupancy. To put the kibosh on things like this, for example:

    Landlord who packed 40 tenants in four-bed Wembley home given first ever Brent Council banning order standard.co.uk/…/london-rent-landlord-banned-bren…

    I assume NYC has similar regulations. If the ordinary residents are also in the property, things could get quite snug.

    iopq , in Airbnb bookings dry up in New York as new short-stay rules are introduced

    So basically they decided to ban Airbnb. I wouldn’t be surprised if hotels lobbied for this

    SuckMyWang ,

    Probably held a bidding auction between hotels and air bnb. The hotels must have had deeper pockets to buy up a piece of legislation in a democratic system. How good is freedom

    li10 ,

    I wouldn’t be surprised if people living next to Airbnb’s pushed for this as well.

    It’s horrible having holidaymakers show up to an otherwise residential building/area.

    SCB ,

    NIMBYism is the reason the housing market is fucked.

    li10 ,

    How so?

    Not disagreeing, just having a hard time working out your point.

    SCB ,

    Comes from another comment I posted here:

    New York City’s housing stock has only increased 4% since 2010, not nearly enough to keep up with its 22% increase in jobs. And from 2017 to 2021, New York City permitted 13 homes for every 1,000 residents in 2017

    This is because of zoning restrictions preventing building. This occurs everywhere you see housing spiking, which distorts even the areas where building is occurring.

    People don’t want “those people” in their neighborhoods or don’t want to lose their “neighborhood character,” or simply want to “protect their home values,” and so a persistent lack of supply is strangling the market.

    Denying current renters an income stream, tightening the grip of the hotel market monopoly, and not actually freeing enough homes to impact the increase in demand, is not the solution.

    Shalakushka ,
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    Renters by and large don't benefit from Airbnb, landlords do

    SCB ,

    Renters absolutely benefit from AirBnB if they were using the money to help bridge costs, which nearly every single article on this subject mentions.

    And Landlords benefit a lot more from tighter housing restrictions.

    li10 ,

    That’s fair, but I think it’s not particularly relevant here.

    Tourists should not be holidaying in people’s “back yards”.

    It’s not about keeping out certain “types of people”, it’s about not wanting any people who have specifically come to holiday and treat the area like their playground.

    And every Airbnb I know is run by someone who has multiple properties, and certainly isn’t letting holidaymakers live in their actual home.

    SCB ,

    Tourists should not be holidaying in people’s “back yards

    Literally just NIMBYism.

    li10 ,

    Okay, ignore the rest of what I said and focus on your little buzzword 🤷‍♂️

    I don’t want someone to knock down the house next door and start fracking the land, is that NiMbYiSm?

    SCB ,

    “I don’t want X people here” is a far cry from “let’s demolish more housing for oil speculation.”

    sidewalkchorus.com/…/nyc-housing-is-expensive

    Try to actually address this topic with an eye for a solution, if housing costs are actually something you give a shit about.

    li10 , (edited )

    I just don’t see how anything you’re saying is relevant to Airbnb??

    Landlords are buying more houses and turning them into Airbnbs, hence less houses available and increasing prices for regular people.

    The idea that it’s really benefitting regular people is just not the reality of the situation.

    NIMBYism

    the behaviour of someone who does not want something to be built or done near where they live, although it does need to be built or done somewhere

    The area for holidaymakers are hotel districts. If you need to expand the actual hotel district then so be it, but don’t just let everywhere essentially be a hotel district.

    Edit: Can’t respond if you block me 🤷‍♂️

    SCB , (edited )

    The area for holidaymakers are hotel districts

    We will never see lower home prices while NIMBYism exists.

    I’m willing to bet you don’t want tall buildings with dense housing for low-income people on your street either, yeah? They’d ruin your view/the charm of the neighborhood/bring crime?

    Congrats. You’re the problem.

    Edit: didn’t block you.

    merridew ,

    But turning half the units in that tall building full of dense housing into short-term lets that are a nuisance to the people who actually live there is okay in your book? Because, as you say, objecting to that would be “NIMBY”.

    Airbnb is way more profitable than conventional letting. Why would anyone offer stable leases to poor people when they can rent out the whole place for higher rates?

    In some parts of my country, it is becoming functionality impossible for families to rent a property for a stable term, because landlords want properties vacant over the holidays for short-term lets.

    dazeddigital.com/…/airbnb-is-making-life-hell-for…

    But you think unregulated AirBnB is somehow a positive for housing?

    SCB ,

    Yes, because you’re still adding net housing in those buildings.

    I think AirBnB helps people pay their rent in NYC, because data confirms that people do in fact use it as bridge income

    I also think AirBnB both is not the culprit here (a housing shortage is) and that building more housing solves the problem more neatly while also discouraging using housing as an “investment” which then discourages predatory housing practices.

    Human beings will always respond to incentives, and right now the incentive is to buy housing and hold it because it will be worth more later. That’s a big problem.

    merridew ,

    Evidently AirBnB is not the only problem here, and building more residential homes is needed. But

    discouraging using housing as an “investment” which then discourages predatory housing practices

    is exactly what is happening here. If you can buy an empty property & rent it out to tourists for a chunk of money – with better returns than you can get on the stock market – people with capital will cheerfully do that. Except now with these rules there’s little point in them trying that in NYC.

    Renters are free to continue to use AirBnB to continue to pay their rent (bans on subletting notwithstanding) as long as they’re still living in it at the time.

    Long term capital considerations re. investment in real estate are a separate issue. Historically, housing has not performed like this.

    SCB ,

    Renters are free to continue using AirBnB

    Not if they need to pass inspection as hotels in NYC they aren’t. Renters already AirBnBing to make ends meet don’t have the money for fire doors, etc.

    merridew ,

    “Not having enough money to make what you are renting out safe for occupancy” is not an acceptable defence to renting out something that is unsafe for occupancy.

    Fire doors will shortly be compulsory in all AirBnB properties in the UK. telegraph.co.uk/…/holiday-let-owners-airbnb-measu…

    Approximately 18,000 Airbnbs in the UK do not have smoke detectors and nearly 65,000 have no carbon monoxide alarms, according to figures from analysts AirDNA.

    Shocking. Safety regulations are written in blood.

    SCB ,

    We will absolutely see evictions over this and I’m very interested in watching this site lose their shit over and eviction increase in NYC in a few months

    WetBeardHairs ,

    New York isn’t like other places - it is quite literally out of available land to build residential structures. NIMBYism may have an affect, but the overwhelming restriction in preventing new construction is that you’d have to raze structures to do so.

    SCB ,

    Yes and that’s not doable with current zoning restrictions.

    sidewalkchorus.com/…/nyc-housing-is-expensive

    merridew ,

    Someone who owns a piece of land should be freely allowed to construct any residential structure they want, so long as the building is safe.

    A bold opinion that seems to have been quite conclusively rejected in cities across the world.

    SCB ,

    Yes, hence the insane shortage in housing.

    merridew ,

    I tell a lie. There is, in fact, an excellent case study for what happens without zoning laws. Houston.

    Let’s take a look at that:

    Houston Derided as the Worst City in America in New Rankingspapercitymag.com/…/houston-worst-city-in-america-…

    Houston among U.S. cities with worst air pollution, study finds, with minority areas hit the hardesthoustonchronicle.com/…/cities-with-worst-air-qual…

    Stats Reveal Truth About Houston’s Housing Crisistexasobserver.org/houston-is-hailed-as-a-national…

    Houston’s Affordable Housing Problem Is Going To Intensifyitexgrp.com/houstons-affordable-housing-problem-i…

    Houston, San Antonio and Dallas among cities with the most housing problemsvoz.us/houston-san-antonio-and-dallas-among-citie…

    Houston 1 of 4 cities with worst housing availabilitynews.yahoo.com/houston-1-4-cities-worst-010144144…

    SCB , (edited )

    First 2 are aesthetic complaining or lack of density related. Third contains this gem that supports my entire stance:

    For better or worse, Houston housing providers have to follow regulations for how they can use their funding and who gets access to resources. Aside from small tweaks in HUD’s language, these regulations have remained largely the same over the past decade. While other U.S. cities, under the same funding restrictions, implemented a patchwork approach and fell victim to poor planning or scant resources, Houston wagered that centralized decision-making could speed up the process.

    6th link confirms it. Edit: 6th not 5th because 5th is broken and also proof you didn’t actually read any of these. You just googled for headlines that sound bad.

    archiotterpup ,

    This is less accurate as most recent residences built in NYC are “luxury” and not affordable.

    SCB ,

    That’s irrelevant because net increases to supply still move toward closing the supply/demand gap, and people further down the chain just move into vacated homes as people move into the new ones.

    archiotterpup ,

    Yeah, that’s not happening. Those prices also go up. That’s because the invisible hand isn’t invisible. It’s greedy landlords jacking up rents.

    Your theory is cute but it doesn’t match reality.

    SCB ,

    It’s not happening because demand still outstrips supply by a huge amount. What is happening when building occurs is a mitigation of cost increases, but the production is not not enough to lower costs .

    The thing about supply and demand is that it exists even if you don’t like it.

    archomrade ,

    demand still outstrips supply by a huge amount.

    Because owners aren’t selling their property, and why would they when they can keep it and rent it out either monthly or daily on ABNB?

    merridew ,

    Zoning laws exist for a reason.

    SCB ,

    Yes and that reason was originally safety, and now is “protecting my investments” at the cost of not having enough housing.

    merridew ,

    How is a law ending the stealth conversion of residentially zoned areas into commercial a net negative for housing?

    SCB ,

    Apartments are not commercially zoned, and neither are AirBnBs.

    Both should be added to mixed zoning. That would be dope. Stores on the bottom, or alternating floors, with very dense buildings above current height restrictions, is basically the ideal solution.

    merridew ,

    Apartments are residentially zoned. Hotels are commercially zoned (for good reason).

    Turning residential homes into unregulated mini-hotels at scale depletes housing stock, and is a nuisance to residents.

    This law effectively blocks residential homes from continuing to be used as hotel businesses operating out of residentially zoned areas, allowing residential units to once again be used as housing, and removing the nuisance to residents.

    Please explain why you see this as a NIMBY net negative for housing.

    SCB ,

    Mixed use zoning is absolutely the way forward everywhere, but most especially for already-dense cities like NYC. “Nuisance to residents” is always, and will always, be a terrible reason to do anything. A nuisance isn’t a health concern, but a preference. Their preferences are irrelevant when the market is on fire.

    There are 40k AirBnBs in NYC, and a housing shortage of literally millions of units. pewtrusts.org/…/new-yorks-housing-shortage-pushes….

    This is not a big enough number to actually dent the housing shortage, and a not-insignificant number of these people are doing part-time rentals to make ends meet, which means they’re gonna get evicted. Meanwhile, the landlords people are bemoaning will simply rent their properties at the AirBnB rate to not lose income since the net housing has not meaningfully shifted.

    Blooper ,

    I agree with your sentiments about multi-use, multi-story buildings. I am, however, a bit baffled as you how you seem to have confused New York fucking City with the suburbs. NYC is the most dense city in the US. In fact, a quick wiki search has the NYC metro area occupying the top 12 spots for density.

    SCB ,

    It’s the most dense city and yet it is not dense enough

    archomrade ,

    I’d say NIMBYism is second to investment buyers and rent seekers.

    uniqueid198x ,

    Scooby doo mask reveal. They are the same thing!

    wahming ,

    While you’re not wrong about that sentiment, it’s misplaced in this context. Partyers and holidayers make for awful neighbours.

    SCB ,

    So fuck people trying to pay rent because you don’t like people on vacation.

    How exactly is that defensible?

    wahming ,

    If you have a property permanently on Airbnb, you’re not ‘trying to pay rent’, what is that nonsense?

    SCB ,

    This doesn’t just effect permanent airbnbs

    wahming ,

    If you’re renting a place, and subletting your guest room on Airbnb… This doesn’t stop you, they specifically made this the default case. If for some reason you’ve got a 5 bedroom place or something, maybe consider finding some long term housemates, then. It’s not like there’s a shortage of renters.

    archiotterpup ,

    Nah man, fuck people driving up my rent for hosting vacationers. I reported an AirBnB to the city last year and now we have actual tenants.

    uniqueid198x ,

    airbnb has a lot of hate from a lot of directions in NYC. Hotels, yes, but also from renters and homeowners.

    Airbnb units remove long term rentals from the market, in a city which is desparately short on affordable, middle, and even luxury housing units.

    Airbnb units in condos and coops (which usually violata the bylaws) create noise and safety conditions.

    RagnarokOnline , in Airbnb bookings dry up in New York as new short-stay rules are introduced

    I don’t know how I feel about this. On one hand: I dislike the trend of commercial companies buying up living space to turn around and rent it out to disruptive short-term tenants.

    On the other hand: I don’t want to have anyone else present in my rental with me because that’s creepy.

    Ejh3k ,

    That’s the point.

    NOT_RICK ,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    They want you back in a hotel

    Shalakushka ,
    @Shalakushka@kbin.social avatar

    I want them back in a hotel too.

    krellor ,

    They are trying to address housing shortages. The hotels might benefit, but so does everyone else because it effectively bars commercial operation of AirBnB. No landlords with 50 units etc.

    SCB ,

    This will not actually help with the housing shortage. It will even result in further evictions as some people lose the potential income of renting out excess space to get over the hump.

    krellor ,

    That is still allowed though. The host can rent out a spare room with up to 2 guests at a time. The host just has to live there.

    SCB ,

    Under the new system, rentals shorter than 30 days are only allowed if hosts register with the city.

    vinceman ,

    Oh my god, you have to register with the city, like every other landlord? Crazy.

    SCB ,

    Yes and this requires additional restrictions on the property that many people flat-out cannot afford.

    Blackbeard ,
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    Like what, exactly? If you can’t afford a fire alarm or sprinkler system, you really shouldn’t be running a rental business. Hell, if you can’t afford a fire alarm, you have much bigger problems than whether or not you can rent a room to a stranger.

    SCB ,

    You aren’t running a rental business in these cases, but supplementing your income by allowing someone into your home a few times per year.

    Blackbeard ,
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    …which makes you a business. You’re making income from rentals. A landlord who has 500 units but can’t seem to fill them but once or twice per year for a weekend doesn’t suddenly stop being a landlord. And if they told me “I’m just supplementing my income” in order to get around installing fire alarms, I’d laugh in their face.

    If you’re providing a commercial service to strangers, you should be able to ensure their safety, full stop. If you can’t afford to do that, you can’t afford to provide the commercial service.

    SCB ,

    I find it so weird that your take is “only the wealthy deserve a home, period.” Like that’s such a hellish thing to say.

    Blackbeard , (edited )
    @Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

    What a cockamamie take! We’re not kicking these people out of their homes by forcing them to follow simple rules to ensure they don’t burn families of random strangers in a raging inferno. They’re still free to…y’know…have and live in their home.

    SCB ,

    … that they can’t afford.

    Blackbeard ,
    @Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

    By your exact same logic, if someone is making and selling meth out of their home in order to make supplemental income and bridge payment gaps, then by telling them to stop we’re effectively telling them “only the wealthy deserve a home, period.”

    
    <span style="color:#323232;">Meth dealer: "But I can't afford my home without it!"
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">Me: "Um, tough shit.  Stop it."
    </span>
    

    Is “people can’t afford to live” your “get out of jail free” card?

    SCB ,

    It is when the decision being made negatively impacts housing availability.

    Lots of people on this site are radicals in one way or another and my radicalization is zoning policy and the housing market disruption is has caused.

    Blackbeard ,
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    So people should be able to do whatever they want as long as it helps them pay rent, because them making rental payments ipso facto impacts housing availability?

    SCB ,

    No, because it turns out there is a whole spectrum of regulation that is possible, and some regulations are more oppressive than others.

    Same basic principle as hair stylists in the US needing more schooling than police, by law, which is similarly insane.

    Blackbeard ,
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    Well given that AirBnB availability inflates property values (2, 3, 4), increases rental rates (2), and decreases the availability of long-term rental units (2), I’m comfortable with big cities severely curtailing them in order to improve housing affordability and reduce pressure on low income renters. Whether they will couple that restriction with zoning relaxations that increase homebuilding and density is another matter altogether and something for them to discuss in the future.

    merridew ,

    Oppressive regulations such as fire safety compliance?

    brygphilomena ,

    Should a hair stylist require schooling and training? Yes, they put caustic chemicals on people’s heads which can cause sever harm.

    Should police have more training? Yes.

    This isn’t a good argument because the lack of police training has no bearing on the licensing and training of hair stylists.

    Here’s the take you are trying to get people to say, if you cannot afford to own a home without supplementing income by provided room rentals which are potentially unsafe and do not meet the bare minimum of fire code, then you cannot afford that house. It doesn’t mean you don’t afford a house. Just that you cannot afford THAT house. And I make no mention of “deserve housing” because all humans deserve housing.

    Putting people’s lives at risk to make a few extra dollars is unacceptable. You have no right to gamble with other people’s lives.

    SCB ,

    Except people’s lives aren’t at risk because it’s not like we’ve seen a rush of AirBnB deaths that caused this shift.

    brygphilomena ,

    House fires and apartment fires take lives all the time. And that’s for people who are living there.

    It doesn’t need to be specifically an Airbnb for us to ignore all the other fires that have occurred.

    merridew ,

    I don’t think that’s an ideal analogy. No-one sells meth legally.

    It’s more like selling people food prepared in your uninspected and potentially unsanitary kitchen, and complaining about being told to comply with the food hygiene regulations that every licensed business is required to adhere to.

    merridew ,

    I find this viewpoint fascinating. Like arguing that trying to put out a burning building will hurt poor people trying to keep warm.

    The housing market as a whole is the problem, one which AirBnB is exacerbating. That it locally enriches those renters able to find people willing to rent out their homes – which I’m guessing is disproportionately going to be people without elderly family members & kids – doesn’t mean it isn’t detrimental to the housing market as a whole, particularly at the lower end, and to everyone who rents.

    fenynro ,

    If they can’t afford to sit on multiple empty houses due to increased AirBnB regulations, then they can always sell some of those assets back into the market. In fact, that’s the point of the regulation :P

    The idea of some poor landlord barely scraping things together because their 50 rental properties (and thus millions of dollars worth of assets) are less profitable is preposterous

    SCB ,

    The idea is that a non-negligible amount of renters pad their rental income with AirBnB and are not actually landlords.

    merridew ,

    Are you, by any chance, padding your income by subletting your rental home on AirBnB?

    SCB ,

    No. I own my own home and my mortgage costs less than average rent here, while my home has more than doubled in value, and I am sickened by that.

    Djtecha ,

    Because of systems like Airbnb adding to the scarcity. Do you not see that?

    mrnotoriousman ,

    Judging by how hard they are attacking this thread (seriously like half the comments are them), I am going to say yes. I don't believe them denying it.

    vinceman ,

    If you can afford to run a business you can afford to run a business properly.

    SCB ,

    Not if onerous regulations designed to solve problems that don’t exist are placed in your way by populist idiot laws.

    Theoretically, any business could be legislated out of existence maliciously.

    brygphilomena ,

    How is following basic fire code onerous?

    archomrade ,

    From what I can tell this is to help make sure they follow the new rules

    krellor ,

    So they register? There isn't anything to indicate that hosts who plan to rent out a spare room and follow the rules won't be approved.

    SCB ,

    When you register, you must comply with hotel-level standards.

    merridew ,

    Units made available as short-term rentals must also abide by building and fire codes, including one that prohibits placing locks between rooms and having certain sprinkler and fire alarm systems on the property.

    The horror.

    bloomberg.com/…/airbnb-s-new-nyc-regulations-what…

    SCB ,

    This effectively blocks struggling renters from using ABNB to bridge their payment gaps.

    Yes, I think people being evicted over this policy would agree with the statement “the horror”

    It’s weird to watch you balance “evictions are evil” with “I hate what I’m told to hate” and end up choosing your hate first.

    merridew ,

    Growth in home-sharing through Airbnb contributes to about one-fifth of the average annual increase in U.S. rents and about one-seventh of the average annual increase in U.S. housing prices.

    Those struggling renters might not be struggling so much if other people renting out their apartments on AirBnB weren’t pushing up their rent by an extra 20%.

    Housing markets have problems. AirBnB is not a responsible solution to those problems.

    hbr.org/…/research-when-airbnb-listings-in-a-city…

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    As mentioned previously, then they shouldn’t be housing others. You spend a small sum of money to make money, when I worked for the city of new York, all us engineers knew the saying, “regulations are written in blood” because NYC was one of the first cities to experiment with new housing methods and such. We were thus the first to witness the horrors of lack of regulation.

    I wasn’t alive for the triangle waistcoat factory disaster. Will I learn from it? Yes. Will I force others to learn from it and protect innocent people around them? Also yes. Fire does not care about your class or situation, they happen and the steps to being protected are necessary.

    Blooper ,

    If a person has extra rooms and can barely afford rent, they are occupying a unit that doesn’t fit their needs. They would be better served by downsizing to a smaller, more affordable place instead of heaping their financial problems onto the rest of society. Alternatively they could sublet the room(s) which would better serve their community instead of catering to tourists.

    SCB ,

    I’ll be sure to remind everyone who gets evicted about this.

    krellor ,

    I went and looked up the regulations.

    https://rules.cityofnewyork.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/FINAL-RULES-GOVERNING-REGISTRATION-AND-REQUIREMENTS-FOR-SHORT-TERM-RENTALS-1.pdf

    Host requirements start on the bottom of page 16. The requirements boil down to posting a fire exit diagram of the unit, keeping records, and not violating building or fire codes. Nothing in there that really seems that onerous, and is stuff that obviously protects the guests.

    SCB ,

    not violating building or fire codes

    This requires personal investment from people over something they nominally may not have the means or ability to change or influence.

    Djtecha ,

    So guests should just burn then? Like we have regulations because people died before said regulations.

    SCB ,

    I’m sorry was there a rush of ABNB fires I haven’t heard about or is this a total non-issue

    Blackbeard ,
    @Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar
    SCB ,

    These are all hotel fires lol.

    Blackbeard ,
    @Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

    Short term rental fires, yes. Which proves that…short term rentals do occasionally go up in flames with renters inside.

    You don’t win any awards with those powers of observation there, do ya champ?

    Djtecha ,

    Yea you’re not really arguing in good faith here. You know fires happen and the lack of basic alerting systems is a concern. These regulations aren’t costing folks 10 grand to do. There is a cost of doing business and New York has stated this is that cost. Take it up with your state assembly if you don’t like it.

    SCB ,

    It is quite firmly my stance that none of the people barking up this “fire bad” tree are engaging in good faith at all, since none of these AirBnBs demonstrate undue risk worthy of their own fire code ordinances

    Asking a person to install their own fire door to rent a room out is absurd.

    thoro ,

    Then I guess they shouldn’t be opening living spaces to other people for commercial purposes. Almost like doing that implies you have a responsibility to your guests

    RubberElectrons ,
    @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

    Fire doesn’t care about limp excuses.

    Poob ,

    Good?

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    If those hypothetical people lose their investment houses then other people can buy them.

    To live in.

    stigmata ,

    People who aren’t living in their home will lose the home to eviction? Listen to my violin.

    joel_feila ,
    @joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

    Really to drop housing prices you have to address the secondary mortgage market. More supply is a band aid.

    li10 ,

    Yes, where they should be.

    If you’re travelling somewhere then stay in a hotel, it’s what they’re for.

    ABCDE ,

    No thanks. Apartment rentals have existed for decades.

    merridew ,

    Just not nearly so many, and with so little regulation.

    ABCDE ,

    Regulation isn’t my job though. Just like those not paying tax isn’t my responsibility, but it should be sorted properly.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    And why is that a bad thing?

    It’s the same as ride-sharing … which, when it started, was advertised as a cheaper alternative to taxis/cabs but that’s no longer the case.

    I use taxis instead od ride-share because taxis are regulated and they have to buy licenses. Does this make them better? Not really, but they are contributing to the local economy through the tax base … and that alone does make them better.

    ABCDE ,

    It is still cheaper.

    Mouselemming ,

    If you and I stay in hotels, people who work there will be able to afford to live near there.

    June ,

    I’ve stayed in plenty of Airbnb’s that the owners were on-site the whole time. It’s not bad at all. I even used Airbnb to rent out a spare room for a couple years and it wasn’t weird at all (except for the people who were much more comfortable with nudity than I was).

    The time I visited NYC, the Airbnb I rented was a small apartment divided up into three rooms with other renters staying there. Same as if the owner was there, wasn’t a problem or creepy.

    kescusay , in All signs point to a rise in Covid
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    Yep. Time to be more careful again, folks. And for fuck’s sake, if you’re not already vaccinated, go do it.

    cedarmesa , (edited )
    @cedarmesa@lemmy.world avatar

    💀

    ma11en ,

    For what?

    geogle ,
    @geogle@lemmy.world avatar

    To be clear, the vaccines that are more protective against the dominant variant at the moment isn’t it yet, but prior shots should reduce symptoms and potentially viral load.

    TheaoneAndOnly27 ,

    Would it be worth going and getting one of the old boosters just to re-up if the old one was over 6 months ago? Or would it be better to just kind of wait for the next one?

    IphtashuFitz ,

    My wife and I are traveling internationally end of next month, so I asked my doctor. He recommended waiting for the new booster which should be available in about a week. He also suggested a flu shot at the same time.

    Our last boosters were about a year ago.

    Denvil , in Some small towns in America are disbanding police forces, citing hiring woes

    Small town in Ohio, we disbanded our local Police, and instead have county police here now

    Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

    Which is the way. Or even just state troopers.

    The only “benefits” to local police are faster response times in emergencies and the ability to enforce nuisance ordinances. The former is not something you want from Bill’s Drinking Buddies and the latter would be better handled by county workers anyway.

    Generally speaking: The vast majority of what cops do would be better handled by social workers and bureaucrats with a clipboard. And it reduces the likelihood of a noise complaint resulting in the ritualistic sodomy and execution of a dog and its owners.

    And it reduces the power of “sheriffs”

    BarrelAgedBoredom ,

    Yeah, if they’re going to stick with traditional US law enforcement, county police are the best way forward. Sheriffs offices should be abolished nation wide

    lolcatnip ,

    Huh? Sheriff’s departments are the county police.

    BarrelAgedBoredom ,

    They’re not police in the way we regularly think of them. There are county police forces and there are county sheriff’s and while theres a decent degree of overlap in what their expected duties are, they aren’t the same thing. Sheriffs have very little, if any accountability to their community or oversight from local and state authorities. The only leg up that sheriff’s have in my view is that they’re an elected position. However, the way they’re structured makes that aspect even more ripe for corruption. Here’s a decent article breaking down the argument against sheriff offices. And a video about it if that’s more your jam

    originalucifer ,
    @originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

    this is the reality, we have several overlapping forces who compete for staff leaving some places overflowing with officers and some completely empty.

    the whole county vs city vs state police forcing inefficiency needs to be addressed.

    FlyingSquid , in Some small towns in America are disbanding police forces, citing hiring woes
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    But then the only white people who get to shoot black people risk being charged for it!

    Gradually_Adjusting , in Some small towns in America are disbanding police forces, citing hiring woes
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    Wishing a very pleasant day to everyone who decided not to become a police officer.

    bdonvr ,

    At one point when I was 18 I almost started down that path. Thank god I didn’t.

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    🍻

    Drivebyhaiku ,

    I shudder to think of the alternate timeline where I gave up on my dream and became a Mountie.

    bobman ,

    Do you have a gun? Can you fight?

    No? Then you need cops.

    countflacula ,

    Evidently they don’t

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Most people in the U.S. either have or can easily get a gun. A substantial majority of people can, in fact, fight. You’re a fucking idiot.

    bobman ,

    No need for the personal insults. Be civil.

    If he doesn’t have a gun and can’t fight, then he needs cops to protect him from people who do have guns and can fight.

    Same goes for anyone who is anti-cop, anti-gun, and can’t fight. Is that everyone? No. I never said it was.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Excuse you, Mr. You’re-An-Invalid-Not-Capable-Of-Defending-Yourself? Your whole point is deeply insulting and offensive. Be civil and stop making it. See how that works? Anything can and is uncivil to somewhere at sometime. So don’t cry to me about your poor sensitive little feelings when you give not one single fuck for mine.

    If he doesn’t have a gun and can’t fight, then he needs cops to protect him from people who do have guns and can fight.

    No, the answer to not having a gun and not being able to fight is to get a gun and gain the ability to fight. If you cannot do that, ally yourself with friends and family who 1) do and 2) are willing to defend you, even with their lives.

    That’s the only real answer because we’ve seen clearly that cops 1) legally are not obligated to protect anybody, 2) won’t, 3) are tyrannical and more interested in entrenching power over other people than doing anything positive.

    Cops are not the answer to the human condition. Only friends and family are, really. Only you youself are, ultimately.

    Is that everyone? No. I never said it was.

    That’s clearly what you’re implying, or did you mean something else by your obnoxious threatening statement?

    bobman ,

    What are you talking about? It’s a fact of reality that people who can’t defend themselves need others to do it for them. There’s nothing ‘offensive’ about it. I don’t think less of anyone who can’t fight or doesn’t own a gun. Do you?

    You’re actually just spewing nonsense at this point. Sorry, I’m going to block you.

    Hiuhokiguess ,

    Reading you two’s interactions and then seeing the user names made me laugh. Usernamescheckout.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Those others are their friends and family, not abusive authoritarians causing the very violence they convinced you they’re here to stop.

    alvvayson , in Some small towns in America are disbanding police forces, citing hiring woes

    I didn’t expect small town USA to actually defund the police first.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    Ha!

    TheLowestStone ,
    @TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

    Try THAT in Small Town

    bobman ,

    Yeah. They can’t keep up with the funding that big cities have to outfit their cops in cool tactical gear.

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