Yeah suddenly the “nazi” regime is “attacking”. When you see yourselves as the heroic liberators, being attacked on your home turf comes across as evil aggression, instead of what it really is. 0.0001% of the pain you’ve inflicted being returned to you.
If there hadn’t been a year of sons and husbands and fathers and grandfathers being more or less abducted by press gangs to become conscripts: Definitely.
But they know there is a war of aggression going on. And regardless of whether they support the war, they know this is retaliatory.
So the die hard supporters will likely support the war even more. But the vast majority of people will lose the ability to ignore it as “Just more Putin stuff. Praise great leader” and force people to pick a side. And the Russian people know they aren’t going to benefit from the newly captured land and resources. The oligarchs will.
I know a decent number of mainland Chinese folk between grad school and extended family. They are in the same boat. Some support Winnie and others are just keeping their heads down. But they know they live in a batshit insane world of censorship and tend to not be too surprised on the rare occasions the outside world reaches in.
That was my take, given Putin history of the checyen false flag I was almost thinking false flag to get home support, it is only the fact Kyiv, while not actively admitting, still hint at responsible that changed mind. It does seem a odd tactic going for such a dense civilian heavily defended area for little advantage in stopping war machine.
That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example. When war is on the doorstep support for your own side typically hardens massively.
The times where populations have turned against wars have always been when the troops are fighting far away from home in lands that the home population feels they shouldn’t be dying in.
This will only make people cling to support for the military because they rely on it for personal safety.
Mate you’re advocating for a genocide against civilians. That’s not acceptable, and all you’re doing by writing this stuff online is creating content that Russians read and think to themselves “wow, the west really are fascists that want to murder us all”. It doesn’t help, it ends up getting used to reinforce the propaganda.
They’re the ones doing the genociding and supporting the genociding. They’re the ones supporting the butchers of Bucha and the siege of Mariupol. They’re the ones taking selfies in the ruins of Ukrainian homes for aesthetics.
What would you have done when the Nazis invaded Poland? Would you have wrung hands at the bombing of Dresden and Tokyo?
I made my choice. I joined the strategic nuclear fleet as an SSBN sailor. Sometimes the only language a nation will understand is force.
Yes I absolutely would have wrung hands at the bombing of Dresden and Tokyo. I also absolutely oppose the nukes that were dropped, completely unnecessary and monstrous loss of life. I don’t quite know what you’re getting at with Poland, that could have been prevented if the French and English had accepted the Soviet offer to stop it pre-emptively.
We don’t need to advocate for the murder of civilians. It’s just obscene barbarism, and all it will lead to is more murder of civilians in response.
I joined the strategic nuclear fleet as an SSBN sailor
Ahh I see. That adequately explains bloodthirsty fashy barbarism and desire to murder civilians then.
I didn’t say either of those things. It’s wild how much this community rags on twitter for outrage and assuming the worst possible position of anyone that is responding while that seems to be what this community does constantly.
Sometimes the only way to get a fascist nation to stop is to bomb the ever living shit out of them until they stand the fuck down.
Murdering civilians is not in fact how the nazis were stopped. Vastly out-producing them and outnumbering them in terms of armour was. I don’t know why you think killing civilians is in any way strategically beneficial. Its main effective use is as a terror action against an occupied population.
This is just really disgusting bloodthirsty shit. The civilians have no less choice in this war than you did in Iraq or Afghanistan. But judging by your character I reckon I can assume you’re actually proud of the 2million you killed there.
Strategically the term is “countervalue”. In purely military terms, it removes the ability of the enemy to continue regenerating its troops or keep its war economy and industry functioning. That destruction of industrial ability was the primary purpose of the bombing of Dresden and Tokyo, as well as the primary purpose that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were on the list of targets.
The occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan were pointless. The former as it destabilized the region and had no real strategic value besides oil which was already procured from the Saudis, and the latter because anyone we were actually trying to target could have been taken out with long distance strikes instead of trying to occupy and create a clearly unwanted government for the inhabitants.
I’m claustrophobic so picked jumping out of planes instead but same idea. It’s fuckin wild to me that we spent 40 years arming up to fight Ivan and now half the country wants to hand them the keys to the football just to own the libs. They fucked around and are finding out that our old dusty shit off the shelf is eating them alive in properly motivated hands. Oh well
Hooyah Airborne! You’re braver than me, jumping out of a perfectly functional airplane. I’d rather get turned to plasma faster than I can register than plummet as my chute fails to deploy, but different strokes for different folks. Salute to your bravery. Good luck out in the field.
Mate I don’t think most russian people are reading an obscure, western primarily english speaking social media site, and the ones that are are probably more likely to be against the war.
It takes just one journalist to see it for it to be shown on national TV. But you’re right, they are unlikely to see it on this relatively obscure social media site when there are thousands of literal nazis with ukrainian flags and checkmarks over at twitter X.com, they can just take one of their tweets X’s instead.
Oh of course there’s not many reading here. But the point is that this behaviour should be opposed because its normalisation here means that the users go elsewhere and normalise it there too. This is prevalent all over the place because nobody bothers to call it out and point out how unhelpful it is.
Even Navalny’s team, who I despise as the man’s a fascist, has said the same thing I’m currently saying.
Worth noting that the actual origin of the bisected red/black flag is the First International in 1864, which was both anarchist+communist before the split occurred between Marx and Bakunin. Anarchists would be banned from the future ones as a result of the split and disagreements that occurred. They flew the red flag alone from that point onwards.
That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.
There are countless historical examples of cities and nations surrendering without a fight when faced with attack. Just look at the Mongol conquests for an obvious starting point.
I would if I thought you were participating in the discussion good faith, but that’s not something CCP tankies are capable of, so I guess go find a way through that firewall and google it yourself. You won’t, though, because you guys have no interest in true facts.
If your country decides to attack another country then your country is an agressor, but if the defending country comes and blows up the street in front of your home you don’t think you’d feel like you need to defend not getting your home blown up?
Question isn’t about attacking in Ukraine, question is about defending Russia from Ukranian attacks. Hence it would be a defensive motivator when your family is about to be bombed by Ukraine in Russia vs you invading Ukraine.
Probably, yes. The idea is that people should have adequate representation. If 45% of your area if X, and 55% is Y, and it’s a direct election, then you end up with all elected officials being Y, and X has no representation at all. The ideal districts would result in 45% of all elected representatives being X.
The electoral college is based on population, but indirectly. The way you could get around it is if states awarded electoral votes proportionately to the votes a candidate received, rather than winner-takes-all. But states have to choose to do that themselves; the fed. gov’t can’t mandate it. Some states are already doing that.
…But the electoral college is population based. That’s why California has 55 delegates, and Wyoming has 3. Slaves have nothing to do with it now.
The issue is that most states do a ‘winner takes all’ approach. If, for instance, Texas voted 49.9% Democratic, and 50.1% Republican, then all of their 38 delegates would be pledged to the Republican nominee (…and the state legislature would pass laws restricting the ability of Democrats to vote). That was how Trump won in 2016, despite not winning the popular vote. OTOH, Biden won the popular vote by a comfortable margin, 51% to 47%, but won the electoral vote by a larger 56% to 44% margin.
Unfortunately they are, if enough justification exists. In WW2, both the Allies and Axis would bombard cities with civilians if those had any strategic value (military industries, disruption of logistics, sometimes because soldiers were inside the houses, etc).
Other times, it was to try out hypothesis. Germany started to bombard London to see if the population would become demoralised and demand the government to capitulate. The US sent the infamous Hiroshima and Nagasaki Nuclear Bombs, because they believed the japanese military would not capitulate through conventional means (I recommend reading more about the pacific war if you're interested, but the bottom line here is that most japanese soldiers were expected to fight to the death, and the US could not treat them like a western power. The nuclear bombs were a bet that they could avoid having to invade Japan itself)
And to be honest things didn't change that much since then. There might be more awareness of how awful it is, some countries might need better justifications than others before targeting cities, but they do it. The US did it in the middle east, Russia too, etc.
From my average joe point of view, this attack didn't target anything with strategic value, but the attack itself is a message that Ukraine can reach Moscow.
Not knowing anything about this war is honestly pretty ignorant of you. Its the most important war on the planet right now, you don’t get to just bury your hed in the sand.
The African leader apparently are not strong enough to speak up against Putin, as they are so deep in need of their private military companies. It is not even that the russian PMC are so great in logistics, equipment or strategy. It is just that the russian PMC are as ruthless and brutal as the african war lords who need them to butcher the people they deem to be enemies.
I think I will never in my lifetime see Africa as a free democratic continent, as long as autocratic/warmonger leader of african countries are cooperating with the lowest scum in the rest of the world. It is a match that will spiral that contintent (or at least those countries) further down the drain, but is continuing for 20-30 years some egomanic african leader to snort all the coke he wants, rape all the woman he wants and buy all the western luxus he wants. Nobody of them is interested in a positive long term goal for their nation or their people. They bleed their own people out and reject every transformation to a modern civil society. Homophobia might only be one ideology of many shackles, that bonds the sahel region to russia. The others are dehumanization, hate, lying, aggression, indoctrination, private gain, power, …
Which African Leader? According to the article only a handful of leaders went as opposed to 2019
Fewer than 20 of Africa’s 54 heads of state or government attended the Russia summit, while 43 attended the previous gathering in 2019, reflecting concerns over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine even as Moscow seeks more allies on the African continent of 1.3 billion people
Yeah, I mean make no mistake, Africa has it’s problems but change is certainly happening for the better in Africa from what I remember.
I mean if you want to talk about attacks on homosexuals, I can clearly recall Eastern Europeans attacking gay people in the 1990’s, especially in Poland where it was the worst
While ahead of the 2015 Polish parliamentary election, the ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party took an anti-migrant stance, in the run-up to the 2019 Polish parliamentary election the party has focused on countering Western “LGBT ideology”.[67] Several Polish municipalities and four Voivodeships made so-called “LGBT-free zone” declarations, partly in response to the signing of a declaration in support of LGBTQ rights by Warsaw mayor Rafał Trzaskowski.[67][70] While only symbolic, the declared zones signal exclusion of the LGBT community. The right wing Gazeta Polska newspaper issued “LGBT-free zone” stickers to readers.[71] The Polish opposition and diplomats, including US ambassador to Poland Georgette Mosbacher, condemned the stickers.[72][73] The Warsaw district court ordered that distribution of the stickers should halt pending the resolution of a court case.[74] However Gazeta’s editor dismissed the ruling saying it was “fake news” and censorship, and that the paper would continue distributing the sticker.[75] Gazeta continued with the distribution of the stickers, but modified the decal to read “LGBT Ideology-Free Zone”.[74]
In August 2019, multiple LGBT community members have stated that they feel unsafe in Poland. Foreign funded NGO All Out organization launched a campaign to counter the attacks, with about 10,000 people signing a petition shortly after the campaign launch.[76] 2019 saw a rise of violence directed against Pride marches, including the attacks at the first Białystok Equality March[77][78] and a bombing attempt made at a Lublin march, stopped by the police.[79][80]
In the 2020 Polish presidential election, President Andrzej Duda focused heavily on LGBT issues, stating “LGBT is not people, it’s an ideology, which is more harmful than Communism”. He narrowly won re-election.[81][82] According to ILGA-Europe’s 2020 report, Poland is ranked worst among European Union countries for LGBT rights.[83] On 7 August 2020, 47 people were arrested in Polish Stonewall mass arrest. Some of them were peacefully protesting the arrest of Margot, an LGBT activist, while others were passerby.[84] The Polish Ombudsman criticized human rights violations by the police
And honestly, much of it is Russian influence, countries that were behind the Iron Curtain for so long have had a hard time adjusting to western values, and the wall only came down in 1989, within many peoples lifetime
Russia is a European colonial power that still has most of its empire. That this guy is so happy to frame Russia as anti-colonialist speaks volumes about his motivations
It’s always what fascists do; they try to co-opt our movements, ideologies, and language. Always. That’s why American Republicans constantly try to grab onto our phrases. Most recently with “two track Justice system” when some of their foul spawn started to be held accountable for crimes. Leftists say two track because the rich get protected by the courts while the workers get fucked.
NASA and scientific research in general has a huge marketing problem - too mqny people think science is boring and only for nerds. They also think it is easy or possibly even made-up.
Regular people just don’t understand the amount of work that goes into scientific research and they also don’t understand the limitations of it as well as the amiunt of checks and balances that discoveries need to go through. We are all familiar with bullshit science fiction of Hollywood movies,but few understand what it takes to really develop a new rocket or plan a space mission.
We need NASA+ to inspire the next generation of scientists and engineers. We also need it to get folks excited again about exploring space. It’s far easier to get funding from Congress for these missions when the general population is excited to hear about discoveries. NASA needs to use this channel as a way to get regular folks interested in their research and hype up various missions and discoveries.
Consumers aren’t forcing the companies to have their workers work long days for little pay. Companies wanting to take in all the extra money consumers are offering without actually paying anymore out are the problem here.
Explain to me WHY they would be going toward Poland. This whole Wagner group is confusing as fuck. They were against Putin, then they met with Putin, now they seem to be doing Putins bidding (I can only assume), by instigating Poland.
as companies scramble to meet customer expectations for speed and convenience in industries transformed by technology.
It’s not customer expectations that are driving low wages and overwork, it’s corporate greed. If Netflix / UPS / hired more workers and paid better wages then there wouldn’t be an issue. Blaming customers is just an attempt to deflect from the real culprits.
Yah it’s not consumer demand. It’s the greedy ass fatsuits pushing for rushing and understaffing.
Plus I don’t remember asking hollywood to hurry up. UPS, sure it’d be nice to get my package earlier, but not at the cost of the delivery guy’s mental health
I was just coming in to say the same thing. Don’t get me wrong, I think the average consumer’s desire for speed and convenience above everything else (including ethics) is a problem, but that is completely separate from these industries posting record profits (even after adjusting for inflation) yet still paying and treating their workers for/like shit.
That’s right. That speed and convenience is already there, happening because of the workers who wake up every day and make the world happen.
But writers, directors, and actors (among others) receiving no (or comically small, like literal cents) for residuals because industry suit-wearing parasites created a looophole in streaming such that payment is not required? That’s a big reason for those media strikes. Among many other abuses such as trying to replace people with “AI” which only benefits the people who don’t work and contribute to society.
If every rich bastard acting as shareholder disappeared tomorrow, the world would continue on. But a strike is really making people get bent out of shape because they are slightly inconvenienced as people fight for fair wages and treatment. That tells you who is really important I guess.
We need to break up all media and scatter it to the winds. I know it won’t happen, but it needs to happen. It all acts as a propaganda network for their billionaire owners protecting their own class to our detriment.
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