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sexy_peach , in Donald Trump has been indicted in special counsel’s 2020 election interference probe

This is huge, he might actually go to prison!

fiat_lux ,

Even if convicted I'll be surprised if he spends more than a week in prison. It will end up being house arrest in Mar-a-Lago under the pretense of poor health or providing info on his international backers.

Much like Lev Parnas is on house arrest street only a few months of actual prison.

Swimmerman96 ,

I doubt even for health reasons, probably more for security reasons. Secret Service securing a prison would be a nightmare for anything short of splitary confinement. For that reason alone, he’d probably be under house arrest.

fiat_lux ,

I get that times have changed but I would be fine with him having an Al Capone cell.

And it would probably be easier for secret service to secure than the notoriously insecure Mar-a-lago.

But yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up for this one. Dude was born to filthy lucre and will die surrounded by gaudy filthy lucre.

bradinutah ,

If convincted of even one of these felonies, he should be stripped of all Secret Service protection. He should go to a state prison if New York convicts him (like Epstein) or to a federal prison if the US convicts him. No more special privileges for criminals. Al Capone, as well as other prominent government officials in Illinois, went to prison. Trump is a citizen now and should have equal treatment to serve his time.

fiat_lux ,

He should indeed. But if we're talking about should, then the emoluments clause should have been enough for none of this to have ever happened. And the base level ethical requirements to be President should have been law. And the American people should have demanded their lawmakers and officials enforced the law and legislated for white collar crime penalties. There were a millions shoulds before we got to this hot mess.

But here we are with a logistical issue of protecting a person for life from others, while similtaneously protecting others from him. Modernity is wild.

heartlessevil ,

Once he’s in prison for treason he doesn’t get secret service protection anymore. He is up for the death penalty for christ’s sake.

fiat_lux ,
cobra89 ,

Lol would be savage if Biden drops an executive order on his way out of the Oval Office.

squiblet ,
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Republicans would endlessly jerk off about that, though. They already say the most insanely stupid things about Biden, so if he was “hey, trump should be executed” or whatever they would beyond lose their shit.

riskable ,
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Don’t underestimate his stupidity! I’m imagining a conversation like this:

Trump: “I need to get out! I need to go to Russia!”

Sycophant assistant: “You can’t do that while the Secret Service is protecting you!”

Trump: “I’ll just revoke Secret Service protection! Problem solved!”

squiblet ,
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Imagine how sad Trimp would feel if Putin was assassinated or deposed.

Joker ,

Throw him in the hole and don’t let him out. That’s secure.

grue ,

Leavenworth seems like it would work out just fine.

Butters ,
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Yeah some kind of super max makes the most sense. He will be secure as fuck.

Sadly this will never happen.

treadful ,
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Supermax shouldn’t be a punishment, only a necessity. Nobody deserves that.

Butters ,
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If he wants to claim he can’t serve in regular prison due to security concerns, then it’s a necessity. He will be very secure there.

squiblet ,
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Well no, a gigantic POS traitor definitely deserves that. Years of solitary have happened to people for much, much less.

treadful ,
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Years of solitary have happened to people for much, much less.

They didn’t deserve that.

diskmaster23 ,

He would hate being in Kansas

TransplantedSconie ,

Everyone hates Kansas.

It would be perfect.

diskmaster23 ,

If he is, he has to live in a condo and can never leave. None of his crap where he gets to live in florida.

Swimmerman96 ,

I hope so too. But he’s already not supposed to be using Mar-a-lago as a permanent residence. So we’ll see what happens.

jarfil ,

Then get elected while in prison… now that would be hilarious.

riskable ,
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Everyone speculates that this would be possible but I don’t think it would be in reality. If he can’t be present in the states holding primaries to debate the other Republican candidates there’s a very slim chance he’ll win the nomination. Especially if all his campaign funds are going to legal bills.

squiblet ,
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Who would they vote for instead, though? DeSantis is a twerp and the other competitors are a non-white guy called Shwamasharmy or something, and Chris Christie. Troomp already has all the name recognition and publicity he needs, plus conservatives would be so upset if he had to face accountability that they’d rally around it. They are definitely stupid enough to elect a traitor who was currently in prison.

riskable ,
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Doesn’t matter who wins the nomination. Whoever has an R next to their name will get the Republican vote. Even if it were Hitler.

squiblet ,
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I think at this point, especially him. They’d think he was fantastic.

jarfil ,

Hitle®… damn, wonder if someone got that registered… seems like no “Hitle”, but some actual Hitler® out there, WTF people.

TransplantedSconie ,

If convicted of the charges, he would be barred from holding ANY public office under the 14th Ammendment

davehtaylor ,

I would love to see this happen. He deserves it. But I honestly and truly believe that if he’s convicted and sentenced, it will spark a civil war. The right wing militias see him essentially as a god, and the rest of the country as some twisted, satanic cabal that has invented things to charge him with just to try to silence him and, by extension, them as well. MAGAts are already violent and murderous. A criminal conviction will just be the last straw

squiblet ,
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There aren’t enough people of that mind to really have a civil war… it will just be more loser right wing Christian terrorism.

UngodlyAudrey , (edited ) in Donald Trump found guilty on all counts in hush-money trial | CBC News
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Is it true that he can still run for the office even if he’s in jail?

Eugene V. Debs ran for president in 1920 while he was serving time for “sedition”(he had been making anti-war and anti-draft speeches during World War I). It’s certainly possible, though incredibly doubtful he’d win. I find that I can’t really count anything out when it comes to Trump, though.

Templa OP ,

Happy cake day!!

Also thank you for the reply

galoisghost ,
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The biggest threat to Trump if he does go to jail is he will lose airtime and will be up to his merry band of lickspittles to try to drum up interest, and interesting they are not.

teawrecks ,

He can spend the time (ghost) writing his book about how unfair the fake news media is toward him. He could literally title it “My Struggle” and his base still wouldn’t get it.

tristan ,

If you ever dive into the filth that is r/conservative, you’ll see that this has just reenforced their views that he needs to win and they need to do anything to make that happen…I don’t think there’s anything that could snap that cult out of it at this point

Zworf , (edited ) in ‘It’s difficult to survive’: China’s LGBTQ+ advocates​ face jail and forced confession

Yeah Naomi Wu was also arrested and “silcenced” last year (she’s no longer allowed to publish anything even stuff not critical of the CCP). skepchick.org/…/maker-naomi-wu-is-silenced-by-chi…

She is also feminist and lesbian and has an Uyghur girlfriend, which was blatantly published by Vice after promises not to do so, which suddenly put her on the radar 😭 It’s a shame because I have big respect for her and her content.

I don’t really understand why China is so against LGBTQ+, I don’t think they have any religious basis for this. But I assume it has a lot to do with their demography crisis (rapidly falling birth numbers). Even though it seems counterproductive to me, them being against LGBTQ+ does not really make it disappear, I think facilitating IVF for happy LGBT couples to raise loved children would be more productive. But anyway…

tesseract ,

I don’t think they have any religious basis for this.

The same applies to Russia. You can say something similar about ultra conservative Catholics, since the Pope has called for tolerance. Yet, they would rather denounce the Pope than tolerate LGBTQ+.

The key idea is that bigotry is not driven by religious affiliation, but rather by authoritarian attitudes. That’s what’s common between China, Russia and the ultra conservatives in the US. Tolerance of LGBTQ indicates freedom and liberalism in some sense. And both are challenges to the stakeholders of authoritarianism. They want a world where people live within the framework they dictate - and thus the bigotry.

Zworf ,

The same applies to Russia.

Not really. Russia has a strong orthodox influence. They suppressed it during the soviet times but it is back in full force.

You can say something similar about ultra conservative Catholics, since the Pope has called for tolerance. Yet, they would rather denounce the Pope than tolerate LGBTQ+.

That’s a small splinter group though. Most catholics are pretty open. Even Ireland allowed gay marriage now by popular vote.

The key idea is that bigotry is not driven by religious affiliation, but rather by authoritarian attitudes. That’s what’s common between China, Russia and the ultra conservatives in the US. Tolerance of LGBTQ indicates freedom and liberalism in some sense. And both are challenges to the stakeholders of authoritarianism. They want a world where people live within the framework they dictate - and thus the bigotry.

Aha that does make sense. The LGBTQ movement is indeed very progressive and liberal. I do think there is often a religous component as well (though that seems to be missing in China) but this sounds like a good explanation.

Loaf , (edited )

I was curious about this as I read a few BL Manhua. It was pretty well accepted since at least the Han dynasty, and has been argued that westernisation during the Qing dynasty is what introduced the opposition towards it. I mainly just read about it on this Wikipedia page so I could also be completely wrong ^ - ^ `

LiveLM ,

The Naomi situation is ridiculous. Such a nice person with amazing stories to tell and things to do being swept under the rug like it’s nothing

Zworf ,

Yes and she was not overly critical at all. Instead she focused mainly on her tech.

I really miss her great content 😢 And her personality.

Newtra ,

Nooooo! Not Naomi!

I don’t really follow her content, but I love her existence and all her efforts towards education and awareness on many topics.

I hope she’s able to find freedom again somehow.

Zworf , (edited )

Well she is in freedom, she was released. She’s just not free to publish. So she is well but not able to do what she loved.

DdCno1 ,

I wouldn’t call it freedom. If she’s treated like other “security threats” within China, then she does not have freedom to travel. She’s likely limited to her city at most, perhaps even just a small area within and has to regularly report to local police. Think of it like probation for people convicted of actual crimes in the West, except without court order, for an unlimited amount of time and with the constant threat of being tortured/disappeared looming over her head. If Xi ever feels like tightening the thumb screws on the Chinese people even further, she’d probably feel the effects before many others. All of this comes with social consequences, as many friends and business partners will be scared away.

SinAdjetivos ,

So… Just like probation?

t3rmit3 ,

Being in the infosec space and seeing her blow up back in 2017-2019, I’m shocked it took the CCP this long to come down on her. She always kept any political criticism at arm’s length, but her not being the Beijing-approved image of femininity was always going to make her a target in Xi’s China.

raccoona_nongrata , in Outraged family buries hostage killed by IDF, vows to 'shake the country'
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  • MagicShel ,

    Never underestimate human capacity for self-delusion.

    Kwakigra ,

    I live in a red state. At a certain point it just comes down to what people want to believe regardless of outside information. This isn’t going to change any minds who associate with Zionism, but it could be another straw for people whobare reasonable but are bombarded 24/7 with state propaganda and don’t know what to believe.

    t3rmit3 , (edited ) in Abandoned babies found decomposing in Gaza hospital weeks after it was evacuated

    But of course no one will act on calls to blame Israel for the hospital needing to be evacuated in the first place…

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    “You see, the birth canal is a tunnel and we all know Hamas is using tunnels to move around without observation. The babies just used tunnels, so they must be Hamas.”

    tesseract , in Netanyahu declares holy war against Gaza, citing the Bible

    Ah! Nothing like millennia old scriptures to convince people that a genocide is necessary!

    ParanoidFactoid , (edited ) in Anti-China Rhetoric Is Off the Charts in Western Media
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  • wahming , (edited )

    Westerners? I’m foreign-born Chinese, and you couldn’t pay me to enter China. My anti-ccp sentiments combined with their sense of ownership of all Chinese people regardless of birth nation means I’m probably on a low priority list somewhere.

    wahming , in Anti-China Rhetoric Is Off the Charts in Western Media

    Just gonna drop an article about Naomi Wu, famous maker, as a counterpoint to all those who keep claiming free speech exists in China.

    hackingbutlegal.com/…/naomi-wu-and-the-silence-th…

    sub_ , in Elon Musk’s Tweet Criticizing Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Sparks Outrage

    This is just pure speculation from my part, but with

    And with

    I just can’t help to speculate that Kremlin has something really incriminating against these two. But again this is just pure speculation without any proofs.

    MagicShel ,

    “Sometimes when I try to understand a person’s motives I play a little game. I assume the worst. What’s the worst reason they could possibly have for saying what they say and doing what they do?”

    acockworkorange ,

    Who is this quote from?

    MagicShel ,

    Littlefinger from Game of Thrones

    FaeDrifter ,

    I think it’s pretty reasonable to assume that any blackmail Epstein was holding against any and all of his clients is in the hands of the Kremlin.

    anachronist ,

    With Elon it could be as simple as Putin stroking his ego. Elon has demonstrably incredibly thin skin and is very susceptible to flattery. Same with Trump too, to be honest. Remember when Trump said he wanted his own big military parade like Putin gets in Red Square every year?

    Kwakigra , in Israeli Politician Quotes Hitler to Argue for Resettlement of Gaza

    I have been reflecting recently that I was not learning the same lessons about the Holocaust as some of my classmates. I got the impression nothing like it should ever be allowed again and we should do everything we can to stop it when we see the signs. I assumed everyone got that impression but I’m realizing that was not the case.

    kibiz0r ,

    I think part of the problem is that when you read about the horrors of the Holocaust as a kid, you can’t help but think of Nazi Germany as a cartoonishly, outlandishly evil place full of people who spend every waking second thinking about how much they hate impure bloodlines.

    You come away with an impression that it should be obvious when genocide is happening.

    Then you go home after school and you see something about genocide in the Middle East, and you ask your parents about it and they say “Well… it’s complicated.” And if it’s complicated – if it’s not cartoonishly, outlandishly evil – then it must not be genocide.

    teawrecks ,

    Yeah, I think this “cartooning of evil” is at the core of American patriotism and entitlement. There are a lot of Americans who legitimately believe that we’re immune to certain phenomena “because we’re American”. It’s the same as when people say they’re not racist “because they’re not trying to be”. Or the rich man bankrolling the presidency isn’t evil because he doesn’t twirl a mustache.

    In the same way, this can’t be genocide, because we would never do a genocide! We’re just doing what we believe needs to be done to maintain our standard of living…

    kbin_space_program ,

    My Oma was in the Netherlands in the 1930s. Her family sheltered part of a jewish family(the elderly mother who was too sick to escape to North America, and one of her sons, a lawyer, who stayed behind to care for her.) This was before the invasion and the start of the war.

    At the time, late 1930s, she said that everyone knew something bad was happening to the Jewish people the Nazis rounded up, but not what.

    After more than a year of occupation, they were turned in by a neighbor for extra rations because none of her family needed daily visits from a doctor. The Nazis took the two Jewish people and her Dad into a camp.

    A local factory owner, some months on, tried to have everyone from the area released in return for his compliance in letting them use his factory output. Her dad was among those released, but they refused to release any Jewish prisoners. Her parents then immediately joined the resistance and helped it out until the end of the war. The factory owner allegedly ensured that the output to the Nazis was changed to be only subtly defective units, pipe walls too thin, cooled too quickly etc.

    SamsonSeinfelder , in Tucker Carlson: Putin takes charge as TV host gives free rein to Kremlin

    Russian propaganda molded a big part of a nation and some of its media into a submissive lab dog. Amazing that it became the Republican Party cozening up to Russia and making this 180° turn of it previous stance without losing the empty mind of their followers, as Russia transformed themself closer to the republican extreme it is today creating a match made in hell. Brother in heart, cruel, authoritarian, corrupt, brass, lying, projecting, and slaying anyone who falls out of line. And in the End of all the politics Bowtie-Tucky sits on Putins lab, panting, drooling, like the spineless overbred dog he is.

    Carlson is a millionaire funded by billionaires (Rutger Bregman).

    sonori ,
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    I don’t see the contradiction, Russia went from the center of a nominally socialist union to a hypercapitalist libertarian dictatorship, of course the Republicans are going to try and support it.

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  • limelight79 ,

    It’s so crazy how true that is.

    If you follow politics, the recent deal between Biden, Democrats, and the Republicans gave Republicans everything they supposedly wanted for border security. They aren’t voting for it because Trump wants to keep hitting Biden on that issue during the election. It’s fucking insane.

    firstofus ,

    Is this true?

    limelight79 ,

    It is, but I’m the guy that originally said it, so you shouldn’t trust me. Here’s an article about it, and another article here.

    sxan ,
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    It almost makes me wish for the good oa’ days of McCarthyism, just to see the shocked Pikachu faces. And, boy, Julius & Ethel were lightweights compared to today’s traitors; the electric chair would be going nonstop for a long while until the House was truly cleaned out.

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  • sxan ,
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    Yup. Super dark period in US history, and a tragic couple, regardless of their crimes. Not a good look for us.

    Zworf ,

    Yeah I don’t know what’s worse, cozying up to dictators or looking for ‘commies’ behind every curtain.

    sxan ,
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    Both stink. Fascists, either way.

    GentlemanLoser , in Pilot Who Tried to Kill Flight’s Engines Told Cops He’d Taken Shrooms, Feds Say

    Great, here comes the shroom moral panic

    Murvel ,

    Questioning the moral of pilots tripping on psychedelics?

    apprehensively_human ,

    The moral panic slippery slope of: Pilots shouldn’t be using psychedelics therefor nobody should be using psychedelics.

    And in any case, the article states that he wasn’t even a member of the flight crew but was sitting in the jump seat and had been operating on 40 hours without any sleep and didn’t say when he actually consumed the mushrooms.

    Murvel ,

    The man was hallucinating and activating random emergency switches in the cockpit…

    stallmer ,

    Morel panic?

    Devi , in Netanyahu says Israel will ‘crush and destroy’ Hamas; every Hamas member is a ‘dead man’

    And he’s doing that by genociding the entire population… that’s totally morally normal

    StringTheory ,

    A “final solution”, as it were.

    FlashMobOfOne , in Germany bans ‘cult-like, deeply racist’ far-right group, carries out raids
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    THIS is how you handle terrorist groups, not like here in America, where people let them hide behind the First Amendment and make excuses for their ideologies and behavior.

    triclops6 ,

    Or give them a badge and a gun

    sub_ ,

    Americans (and others) who like to tout free speech, watch them turn 180 instantaneously if you ask them whether the first amendment is applicable to ISIS, or any other groups that they don’t like.

    There’s a difference between being able to criticize government and people in power, to straight up inciting hate and racism.

    FlashMobOfOne ,
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    And many of those same absolutists fully support laws criminalizing stolen valor.

    Jaysyn , in 'The goal is to disguise propaganda as independent content.' A Global Web of Chinese Propaganda Leads to a U.S. Tech Mogul
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    Every single billionaire is a policy failure.

    They shouldn't exist in civilized society.

    If this guy is an unregistered foreign agent, he needs to be in prison. Full fucking stop.

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