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phoenixz ,

As per usual: Install Linux, problem solved.

AusatKeyboardPremi ,

Adobe … spam … Windows

That sounds about right.

stochasticity ,

“Easily”

skuzz ,

Just throwing out there that PDF X-Change Editor and WondersShare PDFelement are both exceptional PDF editors. PDF X-Change Editor also has Windows ARM64 builds so you can run them on ARM based PCs. Although the best thing is to try and escape from Windows entirely anymore. Edit: Also, I second other recommends for Sumatra PDF for viewing. It has always been a favorite.

penquin ,

Okular is what I use everywhere. It’s free and open source and a very nice application for pdf

skuzz ,

Oooh, forgot about that one, good callout.

NiPfi ,

The war of the dark patterns is waging on…

Churbleyimyam ,

Windows is like paying to rent a whole house only to move in and find lodgers already living in all of the rooms.

laurelraven ,

Not only that, but they sure made it sound like you were buying the house

ShaggySnacks ,

Not an issue when you don’t use Adobe.

loxdogs , (edited )

Not an issue if you use an OS that values your freedom of choice

edit: typo

CosmicCleric , (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Not an issue if you use IS that values your freedom of choice

Did you mean “use an OS”?

If not, what does IS stand for?

loxdogs ,

yeah, typo ):

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Happens to us all.

hightrix ,

Also not an issue when you disable this in windows.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Also not an issue when you disable this in windows.

How do you like having to opt out of everything, repeatedly?

hightrix ,

I wouldn’t know how that feels. Did it once and haven’t had an issue since.

I think some people here like to shit on windows just to shit on windows and haven’t actually used win11

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldn’t know how that feels. Did it once and haven’t had an issue since.

I’m curious about what you think about what @FlyingSquid has said about that.

hightrix ,

PEBKAC

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

PEBKAC

Sticking your head in that sand, I’m sure it’ll work out for you, eventually.

hightrix ,

Not sure what point you are trying to make here.

I’m not having any computer problems.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Not sure what point you are trying to make here.

You’re not acknowledging the issue of close source OS’s that nag you with unwanted notifications.

hightrix ,

Why would I acknowledge an issue that doesn’t exist for me?

You are barking up the wrong tree here bud. I use the right tool for the job, for me that means windows for my personal machine, Linux for work or special purpose machines. And Mac to write code.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If there is an option to turn it off, I haven’t found it. It certainly isn’t obvious.

Apparently that makes me a complete idiot according to the person you’re talking to.

I apologize for being too stupid to know every way to configure Windows 10, an OS I rarely use.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

As far as I know, it doesn’t exist. But I’m more than willing to be proven wrong and have someone tell us exactly how it’s done.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/7842bfbb-bb8d-42c0-b4f3-d0adce70fd63.png

Took 2 seconds to Google this. Don’t quite remember if this is the setting I flipped ages ago to disable it on both my home and work PCs but I don’t get this spam and did something that was essentially this simple to do to get it that way.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

But they don’t stay disabled though, do they? That’s what others have said.

gamermanh ,
@gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

As I said:

I flipped ages ago to disable it on both my home and work PCs but I don’t get this spam

Ii have not once ever experienced this or any other setting reverting to something else across 5 different win10 devices

Fuck Windows, it sucks in so many ways, but idk what some of these people are doing to have settings change behind their backs like they claim happens.

gila ,

This disables a small subset of notifications you might get using Win10/11 that are tips about using Win10/11. It absolutely does not ‘banish ads from notifications’. You will still get ads in the notification center almost as frequently after performing this action, including from Microsoft, including about Windows.

laurelraven ,

I’ve used Windows 11 a lot

I’ve made all the changes

Ultimately, switching to Linux is what it took to get rid of the garbage, and didn’t have to disable anything on the new system.

Can we not defend this bullshit, please? Or dismiss it as not that bad? It’s bad. Really bad. Stop pretending it’s okay because you can go through a dozen settings, half a dozen registry hacks, and a handful of third party programs to make the system work almost as well as it did a decade ago.

Buddahriffic ,

Maybe I’ll get a better response to my question here, since you seem to view windows 11 positively and have a positive vote score, so others who are seeing these comments might feel the same.

Are there any reasons other than the sunsetting of win 10 or the relative newness of 11 to want to use Windows 11?

The only thing that stood out in the other thread where I asked this was support for multiple virtual desktops.

hightrix ,

Unfortunately, I don’t have a good answer for you.

I built a new Pc last year and decided to put win11 on it to judge the OS for myself. In all reality, it doesn’t feel much different than win10. Boot up is fast, startup is fast, everything just works.

Sorry I can’t provide more info.

dotMonkey ,

I mean might as well use the latest version. HDR improvements and the nicer UI are things I like about 11 over 10.

DaBabyAteMaDingo ,

I fucking love windows 11. Especially compared to 10

I fucking do not love windows 10.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

My daughter needs Windows on her notebook for school. The OneDrive popups that you can never turn off, only silence for a month, on Windows 10 are enough to piss me off on her behalf.

anon ,

Every time I use windows, I run this debloater script which remove all unneccessary programs that you choose to delete. It even has options to remove the PDF defaulting to edge (mentioned because it kind of related to this post).

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Every time I use windows, I run this debloater script

Ironic having to use an open source script to make a closed source OS behave itself.

friend_of_satan ,

Irony (noun)

…

3: Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs.

How is that ironic? It seems like exactly what I would expect: open source software prioritizing human wellbeing instead of corporate profits.

CosmicCleric , (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

How is that ironic?

The irony is having to use one kind of licensed tool on another diametrically opposed type of licensed tool.

Its not how the tool is used (as you described), but the licensing of the tool, versus the licensing of the tool its being used on.

That seems self-evident, considering I went out of my way to express the licensing in my original comment. But, if you have a better word for me to use than ironic, please let me know.

friend_of_satan ,

I guess if you think it’s ironic then you do you. I’ve been using OSS software to make proprietary OSes not suck for over 2 decades, and that’s exactly one of the things I expect it to do.

CosmicCleric , (edited )
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I guess if you think it’s ironic then you do you.

You honestly see no irony, license-wise, in using an open source product to repair/modify a closed source product?

At all?

I’ve been using OSS software to make proprietary OSes not suck for almost 3 decades, and that’s exactly one of the things I expect it to do.

No one is disputing that. That’s not the point being made.

But, if you have a better word for me to use than ironic, please let me know.

friend_of_satan ,

I don’t. People use non-proprietary tools to repair proprietary things all the time. Screwdrivers and hammers and soldering irons all are open tools that are used to build and maintain proprietary physical objects. I can’t see any irony in it because I can’t see it any other way. Imagine that GM built cars using only tools that were hidden behind a trade secret, and mechanics and end users were forced to use those same tools. Seems far fetched, doesn’t it? It does to me at any rate.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Again, it’s not how the tool is used, or what the tools used on, it’s the licensing difference, that is the irony.

That closed source products have to rely on open source products, to be modified to work well.

LodeMike ,

She “needs” it on her personal laptop? For what?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

For her online school which requires it.

Hence her needing it.

I suppose you think she her education should consist of reading online Linux manuals?

LodeMike ,

For what.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

For the software they require her to use. Why are you giving me the fourth degree over this? Do you really not believe some people have to use Windows because of the requirement of what they need the computer for in the first place?

supangle ,

use linux on daily basis, far better for your mental health. you can use virtual machine to work with these shitty softwares, or you can always dual-boot. make the switch!

JustARegularNerd ,

OP mentions in the post details that this is a work laptop. Switching to Linux also isn’t as simple for most people. I’m fairly technically minded and I still took nearly a year to fully switch, and I decided a year ago that to just not have the headache of virtual machines and/or dual booting, I’m back daily driving Windows because my degree requires me to use stuff that only works on Windows.

For you it may have been a pretty quick switch because your circumstances would’ve almost certainly differed.

That’s why I think you’re being down voted. If we want to drive Linux adoption, this isn’t the way and never was.

supangle ,

didn’t read that it’s a work device, but beginner linux distros are easy to install, like windows. OP probably shouldn’t install another os on work device. making the switch is easy for the most people and you can use windows whenever you want besides it. linux adaptation has nothing to do with my comment. i don’t care about my downvotes, what os people use or linux user percentage, but they should be aware of their options if these things annoy them. if windows works for you, and these things don’t annoy you, you can happily use it.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

making the switch is easy for the most people

That is nonsense. I am not an IT professional by any means, but I am savvy enough to make my way through an OS and I still had a hard time getting Mint to work the way I needed it to without looking up a bunch of tutorials and entering in a bunch of terminal commands, something that most people would find a huge challenge.

And that doesn’t even go into the problems I had installing it in the first place. And Mint is supposed to be the easiest one.

I like Linux, but suggesting it’s so easy anyone can use it is ridiculous. My 82-year-old mother would not be able to figure it out very easily, nor would my 13-year-old daughter. Could they figure it out? Potentially. But easy? Definitely not.

I don’t think you realize that the average computer user doesn’t know much beyond how to go to their favorite websites, write email, play a few games, etc. An OS with a learning curve is not something they would find easy.

supangle ,

i guess you’re right about the “average” user. i forgot the nanny.

integrating every aspect of the customization to os itself is tricky but i think distros in general already have pretty good customization settings natively. you can do themes, icons etc.

you should explain the word “customization” a bit more.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Customization = getting it to do what you want, which can be a pain in the ass even for basic functions. Here’s an example I had to deal with: hot corners in both Windows and MacOS let you turn off the display so you can do things like play a YouTube video at night to listen to as you fall asleep, but also not lock the screen or put the machine to sleep entirely. I had to look up how to make it do what is a simple thing to achieve in the other two big OSes.

There really should not be a learning curve for “if you put your cursor here, the display turns off.”

supangle ,

yeah, i get it, but it´s the same thing if you´re switching from windows to macos or the other way around. you loose searching capability [which is cmd + space] if you switch to windows, and you need a seperate app for window tiling in macos. lots of people agree that linux is the most customizable os in the market compared to macos and windows, they even have a seperate subreddit in reddit just for “ricing” which means customizing linux, you can look them in r/unixporn. btw, you have the option to run a command while using hot corners, it´s directly in the system settings. here´s a screenshot that i took just now.

https://lemmy.wtf/pictrs/image/800dcf3d-01de-4128-bc63-8556c81a3872.png

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I know you can run a command in hot corners. That was the problem. I had to look up the command I needed. That’s the sort of learning curve that is a barrier to many people.

umbrella , (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

get sumatrapdf.

havent been on windows in a while, but im assuming its still the great lightweight viewer it used to be.

JackbyDev ,

It is. I have trouble making it the default reader. Stuff still opens in Edge. Not sure what the deal is.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

the deal is probably windows lol

they do push very hard for us to use it

melpomenesclevage ,

Edge is the superior app! (To adobe)

JackbyDev ,

I think I’d agree with that lol

melpomenesclevage ,

Microsoft finally did it!

zarlin ,
@zarlin@lemmy.world avatar

Had that issue too, search in Start for “Default Apps”, then scroll to the bottom and click “Choose default application by file type”. Then scroll to .pdf and choose Sumatra. The settings window may crash for some reason, but for me the file association did seem to stick after that.

JackbyDev ,

I’ll give it a shot and report back. I remember doing it through “Open with … Always” but maybe it’s different.

ProfessorProteus ,
@ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world avatar

I haven’t had a crash happen on that screen but it takes its fucking time loading a non-paginated list of thousands of elements. And there’s no search bar IIRC. MS made this process as painful as possible and I’m convinced that that’s exactly the way they want it.

possiblylinux127 ,

SumatraPDF

Ibaudia ,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

Win11 is full of these kinds of ads, especially for OneDrive and Office

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Win 10 too.

Maggoty ,

The pop-ups on my desktop are the driving force behind me finally looking into Linux.

nfsu2 ,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

just that?

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Everyone has a breaking point, it’s always better to embrace them when they reach it.

Maggoty ,

Of course not just that but it’s the last straw.

skuzz ,

Between that, the installation of programs like HP smart, copilot, and Dev Home without my consent. OneDrive being trash. Start menu being slow ever since they deployed copilot even with it shut off. All the tricks to get you to run Edge. The list just keeps growing.

The notifications to get you to change notification settings on a program like Microsoft to-do not being run in a while just take the cake. I’ll run my apps if and when I want to. STFU M$. I pay you for an operating system to run my computer. Not to fight with it constantly.

melpomenesclevage ,

Linux is easier than windows now. Not because Linux got easier (it did, though not enough), but because windows is just getting so much worse so fucking fast.

skuzz ,

That’s hilariously so true. Have been completely comfortable using Linux as a primary OS, in my case, I decided, “well Windows 10 was pretty johnny on the spot, so maybe I’ll use Windows 11 for a spell.” 10 was mostly usable, then 11 was “hey we have this always-update model of 10 in place, let’s make 11 all about constant dark pattern pushes?” May literally be the last time I use or ever recommend the platform in any capacity.

Not even talking about how W11 can’t successfully sleep or hibernate on most computers I’ve seen it on. I was in a computer shop helping someone pick out a laptop a while back, local place. They configured all the PC laptops to never sleep because Windows 11 sleep is so buggy. How is it 2024 and Windows is worse at sleep than it was in 2001?

melpomenesclevage ,

Because capitalism wants everything to be broken so we need to pay for more shit.

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

MINT, MINT MI-

HubertManne ,

its not just adobe. there are some good linux distors now.

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