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2G, 3G, 4G, 5G mobile data made some sense as it represents generational leaps in the technology itself but then Xfinity wants to advertise "10g" internet...

Comcast says it represents a 10 Gigabit cable internet network they are building (it doesn’t exist) so they are basically changing the meaning of the g from generation to gig to act like 10g is 5 generations better (or twice as fast)…or that they have a 10 gigabit network. Neither is accurate. It’s still just cable internet that people have to use because they have no other option.

Fuck Comcast.

I read online they are abandoning the “confusing” 10g branding but I just saw a commercial for it. They think all of their customers are morons and count on folks having no other choices in a lot of cases.

Apologies to anyone outside the United States, this is just complaining about our poor internet options and deceptive advertising by greedy corporations.

militaryintelligence ,

Fraud is legal if you’re doing it to consumers

mysoulishome OP ,
@mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

If you finance the campaigns of the folks who make the laws anything can be made legal

crusa187 ,

United States of Advertising

skuzz ,

It was hilariously reading the presser on NBCComcrap talking about how 10G DOCSIS development is progressing and they could almost hit 10Gbps in labs on the downlink but uplink would only be a few hundred megabits tops. Like, none of those numbers are worth selling a marketing brand of “10G”. Real fiber Internet can hit it, my provider offers 10Gbps/10Gbps. That could be called “10G” - if we continued to conflate speed with generations like Comcrap tried to do.

I really wish the FCC would step up and slap all these companies perpetuating these weird lie terms the last half a decade.

mysoulishome OP ,
@mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

Haha yes it would be nice if the FCC wasn’t beholden to these companies based on their lobbyists flooding money into Washington…

Cuttlefish1111 ,

Xfinity is Comcast. It’s incredible they were able to rebrand themselves.

lledrtx ,

I would be surprised if ITU lets them get away with that. 🤔

Crum ,
@Crum@lemmy.world avatar

The next one can be called “Series X…G”

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

This smells a bit like the old Fuck Everything, We’re Doing Five Blades.

tigeruppercut ,

Pretty funny the blades on disposables actually did top out at 5. The Onion wins the prediction game again.

(I know there’s a 6 blade brand out there but I think it’s the only one, whereas all the big companies make 5. So glad I got out of the disposables and traded them for safety razors anyway-- dunno why it took me so long)

CertifiedBlackGuy ,

Probably fear of cutting yourself with that single blade.

That’s what took me so long.

BTW, anyone here who face shaves regularly, switch to a safety razor. This is a threat.

tigeruppercut ,

Yeah gotta admit I was pretty nervous the first couple times, kinda assuming I’d be just shaving and all of a sudden see a long trail of blood appear. After I got used to it though it’s just as fast as using a disposable, and I haven’t cut myself yet

AceFuzzLord ,

Of course they did. They know the average person would see xfinity saying they have 10G and assume their service is 5x better than every other service.

Ads from large companies rely on people being braindead and not complaining when the product they get is a scam or false advertising. At least, that’s how I see it.

Jimmycakes ,

10g fights the 5g that’s turning everyone into gay frogs. You won’t need the 5g blockers anymore.

pelya ,

ITU defined 4G in 2008 as wireless connectivity with speed of 100 megabits per second for mobile users and 1 gigabit per second for stationary users.

LTE never achieved such speeds. It did not stop mobile operators from calling their service 4G.

ITU since then revised their definition to lower the required network speed.

5G was supposed to have network speeds of 10 gigabits per second. ITU however wisened up and are just defining it as ‘fifth-generation wireless’, because the mobile operators will butcher the definition anyway.

mysoulishome OP ,
@mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

Interesting

Freestylesno ,

LTE Long term evolution, I think 5g is still LTE. 5g builds on the tech of 4g.

pelya ,

Yup. 5G is LTE with more frequency bands.

Just slap one more antenna into your phone, that’s how we’re increasing network speed.

Postreader2814 ,

Well there you have it. If ITU hasn’t defined 10G, then ISP’s can call it whatever they want. It’s not regulated.

brlemworld ,

They should be forced to have a standard like a food label. Should show average speed and uptime for past 12 months

Ghostalmedia , (edited )
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Crazy idea…

Phone OS developers often fight with carriers about the network labels that get displayed on a phone’s status bar. Carriers often demand a certain name and label to be shown.

Apple does some shitty stuff, but they have often been able to strong-arm carriers into industry-wide customer experience improvements, because they have a monopoly on iOS and have fast OS update adoption. Apple should just push a software update that always shows bandwidth instead of “4G,” “LTE,” “5G.” Then they should update their maps app to show crowd sourced bandwidth speeds across a carriers’s network.

Air their dirty laundry and watch them squirm.

thecrotch ,

Good idea on theory but it would have to constantly be doing speed tests in the background and those eat up a ton of bandwidth. All the phone knows is what kind of network it’s connected to and what kind of signal strength it has

Ghostalmedia ,
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Cellular networks a can already monitor bandwidth, signal strength, packet loss, etc. They just need to expose that data to the public. There is no need for extra “speed tests.” The network’s speed can be measured during an upload / download to a phone.

thecrotch ,

That’s not an effective metric because you don’t know the network speed of the host that the user was downloading from. It’s impossible to tell if the network is slow, or the site they visited was throttled to .5mb. speed tests work because the server you’re downloading from is a known entity

xyguy ,

I was genuinely convinced they offered 10gig service in some markets. Doesn’t surprise me that its all marketing nonsense.

Just a tip for anyone who wants to know, if you have Comcast business internet they’ll tell you you have to use their modem but, you can swap it out with a 3rd patty modem and use the live chat service to get it activated. Then you can send back their modem for free at a ups store. Every salesperson will tell you its not possible but it absolutely is.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

If the end user was getting 10 gig I wouldn’t even be all that mad about it.

Ghostalmedia , (edited )
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly, this is the same shit the telcoms have been doing for decades. They also did it with the previous generations.

When telcoms started promoting “3G” it was a mix between networks with proper broadband speeds, and edge networks that were more like 2.5G. 4G was an even bigger dumpster fire with a very wide array of “fourth generation” specs that ranged from glorified 3G to actual next generation speeds. And 5G is a repeat of this marketing bullshit trend.

You can really see the effects of this if you get to rural coverage areas. Your phone might say it’s on 5G or 4G, and you might be experiencing shit speeds even if you have decent reception. You might be on a part of the network that the marketing department considers 4 or 5G, but doesn’t mean it’s actually fast.

IMHO, we need consumer protection laws that prevent companies from using brand names or generational buzz words to trick customers. Network speeds should be advertised in bits per second, or standardized BPS chunks.

collapse_already ,

Cell carriers in the US releasing 3G+ technologies branded as 4Gs should have gotten the FTC on a crackdown, but regulatory capture and it is all just marketing fluff. The sales flacks selling it can’t even answer questions like “what kinds of bandwidth can I expect to see? Do I get a minimum QoS?”

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

“You’re minimum speed in your area is 5G with Unlimited Stream Blast+”

intensely_human ,

Up to a trillion gigabits per second, or less, guaranteed. Some restrictions apply. See store for details. Offer may not be redeemed on days ending in Y. Offer does not exist. Void where prohibited.

JackbyDev ,

Also, why was 4G called LTE but not 3G or 5G?

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

It depends on the carrier. I’m on AT&T’s network, and they have parts of the network that they labeled “4G” and parts that they labeled “LTE.”

The simplest answer is to Google what your carrier considers LTE, 3G, and 4G speeds. Some carriers consider LTE to be their “4G,” some carriers have networks labeled 4G and LTE, some carriers consider LTE to be 3G+, some consider 4G to be 3G+ … it’s all a big mess, it depends on what the marketing team decided to label the network hardware, and every carrier has different definitions for the same terms.

pelya ,

It’s all mostly a marketing speak.

LTE is a proper name for the latest flavour of a wireless connectivity steandard. It simply means ‘long-term evolution’, because naming it after the actual underlying algorithms would be ‘orthogonal frequency-division with multiple access’ was too long even for nerds who created that standard, and also it uses simpler frequency-division with multiple access for transmitting data from your phone to the cell tower, so the actual proper name would be ‘OFDMA uplink FDMA downlink’.

And 5G is still mostly LTE, just with extra radio channels and an optional millimeter frequency support.

There were similarly several 3G technologies - HSDPA, HSPA+, DC-HSDPA, DC-HSDPA w/MIMO, each offering a better speed, but that would be confusing, so the operators just named everything as 3G.

JackbyDev ,

So it’s like saying 802.11 instead of Wifi?

pelya ,

Kind of, yeah.

There are WiFi setups that can cover as far as 10 km range, which is firmly inside 4G territory, with a speed to match.

markon ,

Meanwhile my fiber provider actually offers 5 gig symmetrical for $150 a month. I don’t have the network gear to do over a gig, but they offer it and it’s a hell of a lot cheaper and better than Comcast.

DogWater ,

This is confusing, but the mobile gens are for cell data.

Wifi has 2.4ghz and 5ghz bands.

Internet service can be offered with Gbps speeds. 10Gbps can be called 10gig or 10g. That’s also crazy fast for what’s standard right now.

mysoulishome OP ,
@mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

Verizon and TMobile have been advertising 5g home internet with a discount to their mobile customers, I think that is where Comcast is aiming these ads. To get people to conflate it. Most folks watching these ads don’t know what a gigabit is they are just thinking oh wow maybe Comcast is better.

For the people who do know what a gigabit is, Comcast is saying they are “building a 10 gig network” which means fucking nothing. I’m building a 1,000 story house. There are going to be 998 new stories on my house soon, you see! You’ll see.

kent_eh , (edited )

Wireless “G” labeling has always mostly been marketing wank anyway.

The actual technology has used more pragmatic (if less marketing friendly) terminology.

Ghostalmedia ,
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Absolutely. 3G, 4G, 5G - they’re all a mess. Each G is a wild mix of specs with wildly varying speeds. And many parts of a next generation network are a glorified version of the previous generation network with no large generational speed bumps.

Government organizations like the FCC should force telecoms to advertise speeds as bits per second.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

It’s tricky though, do they advertise their maximum speed in all areas? Or the minimum speed? Or the average speed?

If you have 50 megabit service in New York City with multiple millions of people can you then offer 3G speeds to the rest of the state and still advertise it is 5G?

I get 45 in town, is it a birthday party the other day and I could barely get 1.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

The same problem exist today with access to 4G, LTE, 5G or 5G mm wave coverage in an area. Service is going to change based upon your exact location.

Regulators should just tell telecoms do to exactly what they do today - provide customers a coverage heat map. But base it average bandwidth at the network node, not what technology their marketing department has decided to call the node’s hardware.

intensely_human ,

It’s all about the benjamins. Ain’t nothing but a G thing.

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