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artvabas ,

Cool, then you can do what every linux user is doing, reinstall it!

const_void ,

New telemetry and advertising pop-ups.

Geriatrickid ,

More like “what broke?”

Pavidus ,

The only thing that I can tell happens every update is that I have to tell my start bar, yet again, to show all program icons instead of hiding them. Individually. Oh, and Skype occasionally decides it’s important at startup again.

Almost forgot! My computer also randomly forgets how to sleep until updated.

sheogorath ,

Shit, I thought I was the only one whose computer has forgotten how to sleep. I ended up reinstalling the whole thing to get it to sleep. I don’t have the mental capacity to troubleshoot my computer to find the root issue after dealing with dumbass clients and my toddler.

SmoothIsFast ,

When I had a surface, windows hello and my pen would just stop working if an update was pending. Windows is always fun in this regard.

interdimensionalmeme ,

Disable windows update, windows update and Microsoft store updates

Gabu ,

Right click the update icon, select whatever option takesyou to the settings screen, on the right-hand side you’ll find a link for changes in each update. It’s not transparent, but it is available.

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

It’s also to a large degree security updates which are important as hell.

Just look at apple to see what happens when security updates get neglected. Newest apple phone actually had a security exploit that allowed people to upload viruses to your device without you ever having to interact with the virus.

lechos22 ,

pegasus didn’t use just one exploit , it’s a huge collection of zero-days

cows_are_underrated ,

Pegasus is a Spyware used by governments to spy on “criminals” phones.

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

Up there with don’t do anything we’re going to find a fix never found a fix in 30 years

lightnsfw ,

It just wanted to try to trick you into making edge your default browser and setting up a Microsoft account again

supercriticalcheese ,

sounds about right

BigDaddySlim ,
@BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world avatar

It just reinstalled Edge, put a shortcut for it on your desktop and start menu, made it your default browser and migrated all your cookies and login info to Edge (for ad and tracking purposes) before uninstalling said browsers.

No big deal, bro

WldFyre ,

That has literally never happened to me on Windows

BigDaddySlim ,
@BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world avatar

Well if course I’m over exaggerating, but Windows does love to reinstall Edge no matter how many times I remove it

Honytawk ,

It only reinstalls when there is a new version.

You can disable the update by adding these to the host file:

127.0.0.1 https://msedge.api.cdp.microsoft.com

127.0.0.1 *.dl.delivery.mp.microsoft.com

sagrotan ,
@sagrotan@lemmy.world avatar

Linux: “Yes”

Agent641 ,

Linux: its gone now

sagrotan ,
@sagrotan@lemmy.world avatar

“Grub cannot find MBR of Microsoft Windows” -meh, don’t care.

Honytawk ,

sigh

Literally just a Wikipedia page.

Windows 11: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11_version_history

Windows 10: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history

Are you guys even trying?

Honytawk ,

Version 22H2 (2022 Update)

The Windows 11 2022 Update[89] (also known as version 22H2[90][91] and codenamed “Sun Valley 2”) is the first and current major update to Windows 11. It carries the build number 10.0.22621. The first preview was released to Insiders who opted in to the Dev Channel on September 2, 2021.[92] The update began rolling out on September 20, 2022. Notable changes in the 2022 Update include:[93]

  • Redesigned and new Efficiency mode feature in Task Manager
  • Re-added the drag and drop feature on the taskbar
  • Improvement to the snap layout experience
  • New live captions feature
  • New Smart App Control (SAC) feature for blocking untrusted applications
  • Split “Focus assist” feature into “Do not disturb” and "Focus"
  • Included Clipchamp as inbox app

The first component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed “Moment 1”,[94] was released on October 18, 2022 with build 22621.675 and several further changes:[95]

  • New tabbed browsing feature and refreshed layout of the left navigation pane in the File Explorer
  • New inline suggested actions feature
  • Re-introduced taskbar overflow feature
  • Improvements to the built-in Windows share window

The second component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed “Moment 2,”[96] was released on February 28, 2023 with build 22621.1344 and several further changes:[97]

  • Added iOS support in the Phone Link app
  • New Studio Effects section in the Quick Settings for NPU-compatible devices
  • Redesigned Quick Assist app
  • Added third-party apps support in the Widgets panel
  • Re-introduced tablet-optimized taskbar
  • Added support for tabs in the Notepad app
  • New Braille displays and input/output languages support in Narrator
  • New Energy Recommendations page in the Settings app
  • Updated touch keyboard option in the Settings app
  • New Tamil Anjal keyboard
  • Re-introduced the search box on the taskbar

The third component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed “Moment 3”,[98] was released on May 24, 2023 with build 22621.1778 and several further changes:[99][100]

  • New presence sensor privacy settings in the Settings app
  • New VPN icon on the taskbar
  • Added the ability to show a notification badge on the Start menu’s user profile icon
  • Introduced live captions in more languages
  • Added the ability to create live kernel memory dumps in Task Manager
  • Introduced Content Adaptive Brightness Control (CABC) to desktop computers and battery powered devices
  • New copy button for copying two-factor authentication codes in notification toasts
  • New USB4 hubs and devices page in the Settings app
  • Re-introduced the new touch keyboard option in the Settings app
  • New multi-app kiosk mode
  • Re-introduced the ability to display seconds in the system clock on the taskbar
  • Adds support for Bluetooth LE Audio and the LC3 codec

The fourth component update to Windows 11, version 22H2, codenamed “Moment 4”,[101] was released on September 26, 2023 with build 22621.2361 and several further changes:[102][103]

  • The availability of Copilot in Windows (in preview)
  • New preview flyout when hovering over files under the Recommended section on the Start menu
  • New volume mixer experience in Quick Settings
  • Re-introduced the ability to never combine taskbar buttons
  • Added the ability to hide the time and date in the system tray
  • Updated notification bell icon in the system tray on the taskbar
  • Modernized Details pane, Home page, address bar and search box in the File Explorer
  • New Gallery feature in File Explorer
  • Added the native support of additional archive file formats (7z, rar, tar)
  • New Windows Backup app
  • New screen for restoring from backup during the OOBE
  • Improvements to backup and restore experience for desktop apps
  • Added support of Unicode Emoji 15
  • Added the support of COLRv1 color format
  • New Narrator natural voices in Simplified Chinese, Spanish (Spain and Mexico), Japanese, English (United Kingdom and India), French, Portuguese, German and Korean
  • New text authoring experiences in voice access
  • New Home page in the Settings app
  • Redesigned Windows Security notification dialogs

As of build 22567, the version string has been changed from “Dev” to “22H2”.

Dirk ,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Windows: Runs update 20+ minutes on shutdown and 20+ minutes on next startup, requiring multiple reboots: nothing has changed.

Linux: Runs update for 5-10 minutes when you want it to update, changes basically the whole OS and adds a metric shit-ton of features and doesn’t even care if you reboot or not.

SquareBear ,

You forgot that they installed the Linux preacher assholeware in secret.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Longest update for me was ~5 minutes in W10, mostly new definitions for the Defender and security patches. You can consult the property of the updates in the M$ page and also undo the last update, if you want. Memes of Windows are nice, but this one was valid 15 years ago, back then it was true that you could die in an update, but not now.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

My home PC updates like that, but our work PCs take forever, and Windows pushes an update almost every week. It can actually take over an hour to apply an update at times.

I don’t think anyone says it breaks things – it’s just glacially slow with no meaningful change. Sometimes, it changes for the worse, like the time I had to delete an unwanted desktop shortcut to Edge on every PC.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

A work PC may have extra steps for workstations, but it isn’t normal. Maybe caused by an third party security soft or much defect sectors in the HD. Not even updating from W10 to W11 took much more time as you say. Anyway you can pause the updates until a certain date and time in the advanced settings of the Updates page.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

Anyway you can pause the updates until a certain date and time in the advanced settings of the Updates page.

Which is what I’ve resorted to doing on certain weeks when we need to allow people to access them. My employer is very small without much funding, so I’m not a tech person, but I’m the “tech person,” if that makes sense. They never were the best computers in the first place and are used by many people, so obviously that contributes, but they do take excessively long to install updates.

My major beef with my home PC and Windows updates is that I can’t totally disable automatic restarts, which is a pain since sometimes there’s a reason I want to leave it locked and running overnight without disruption. I’ve tried regedit, group policy, and taking ownership of the Update Orchestrator folder, but regardless if I’ve got it locked, Windows decides it’s not in use and should be restarted. At least it stopped recommending Windows 11 when I disabled TPM in bios, but once I get more comfortable using Linux, I’ll be done with Windows forever.

It’s not like I’m neglecting updates, either. I manually check at least once a month. But it still occasionally will hit me with an unexpected/unwanted restart when I least expect it.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

In my PC Windows inform me that there is an update in a little Pop up, where i can select if i want to restart or not, no automatic restart, i can restart when i want, or shut down in the night and see on power on in the morning, how Windows install the updates (some minutes), before showing the log screen.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

That’s what I’d like to happen, but that’s not consistently what happens. In fact, last time I saw the notification, I decided I could wait until the next day, but Windows went ahead and restarted for me during the night regardless. My computer was locked when this occurred, which leads me to believe Windows assumed I wasn’t “active” and could therefore restart.

This was after already having set group policy not to allow it.

I can’t explain it, but I can assure you it did happen.

Edit: Oops, I guess it doesn’t show in my screenshot, but I have “Configure automatic updates” set to:

3 = (Default setting) Download the updates automatically and notify when they are ready to be installed

Windows finds updates that apply to the computer and downloads them in the background (the user is not notified or interrupted during this process). When the downloads are complete, users will be notified that they are ready to install. After going to Windows Update, users can install them.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

That is an common error, shut down Windows is not the same as Power off, with the normal shutdown Windows stay in standby mode and permits to restart faster (not much with an SSD), with this it can still work in background and even restart the system by itself. If you want to avoid this, you must change the power settings, only in this way you have an Power off that really is a Power off. Windows only seems to be easier to handle as Linux, but it isn’t, it’s quite the opposite, only the very basic settings are more at hand.

LinkOpensChest_wav , (edited )
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

These are the settings I’ve had for a long time, if that’s what you’re referring to. I thought disabling fast startup would make it completely power off when it shuts down.

Is there another setting I should be using in addition to this? Which power settings must I change?

Windows only seems to be easier to handle as Linux, but it isn’t, it’s quite the opposite, only the very basic settings are more at hand

So true. I’ve always assumed Linux would be beyond my comprehension, but it’s actually much less frustrating than Windows so far.

Edit: After looking around the control panel, I do see that I accidentally had “automatically restart” checkmarked under system failure, but in this case I don’t think that would have applied since it was a pending update, not a system failure.

Zerush , (edited )
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Even with Fast startup diseabled, it remain a certain hibernation function (hiberfil.sys). Desactivating the Hibernation service fix this problem. Hibernation service is anyway not so important, above its a big memory hog, because duplicate every process to use it as backup if you shut down the system, so if you boot again are also booting this processes, apps or what yo had open before. But in change, it slows down the whole system. At least in my Windows it works as it should. Cold boot last a little longer, but with an SSD are only seconds. PS, instead of the Control panel, use the GodMode function which Windows has

  • Create a new folder in the Desktop or anywhere
  • Rename it GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

(instead of GodMode you can use any other name, but you can’t change what’s beyond the point)

Done, the folder has change its icon and when you open it, you have an ordered list with access to all possible Windows settings (more than 200), even those that are hidden. As say, something like a Control panel on steroids.

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

Whoa, this is my first time doing this, thank you very much! This should honestly be a default app in Windows.

I’ll look for that hiberfil.sys as soon as possible. I’m not really concerned about boot time at all. I boot from an SSD, so it probably won’t take too long, but even if it did it would be worth having more control over my system.

I can’t tell you how much I appreciate this help. Thank you very, very much!

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s a default app since Vista. Windows has a lot of functions and apps, but most of these lacks of documentation. You’ll find a lot of apps in the system and system32 folder, but all with a not intuitive name, eg eudcedit is an editor to design own fonts, but there are over 300 more and the only way to know what they do is searching all of them one by one in the web. Adding also a lot of commandline commands. Windows easy and intuitive, LOL., nice joke.

Dirk ,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Can I forward our users to you when they want to work and need to wait 30-40 minutes before the stupid Windows update has completed?

Honytawk ,

Can I forward all our users problems to you when I switch them to Linux?

Don’t forget, all have different hardware setup and different needs. So most likely would need different distros just to perform what they can now on Windows.

Maybe just install some SSD next time instead of complaining about Windows.

Commiunism ,

On powerful PC’s, yeah, my home PC is a rather powerful one and it would take me around a couple minutes to update.

However, I remember two years ago having to use Windows 10 on a school PC (which was a crappy thinkpad) and it took around 1.5 hours to update after I did the mistake of arriving too early and deciding to update the laptop as “might as well, got nothing better to do”, then not being able to do anything for 1 hour.

Though admittedly, the laptop wasn’t updated for a while (guessing around half a year?) so it probably was catching up to updates.

InputZero ,

Maybe it was in deep freeze? I know the schools in my area do that for any computer the students use incase they fuck with it.

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

School PCs is quite a broad range. Could be a failing district with 10 year old computers on 5400 rpm drives which a Linux machine would also run slowly on.

Gabu ,

You underestimate just how crazy clean Linux is. For a while I ran Debian out of an USB 2.0 thumb drive on a machine that was already slow ten years prior – hardly a hickup. In-place updates didn’t even take more than 15 minutes (which, considering how slow my storage was, is great).

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

Not underestimating. This dudes not even taking into account how shitty a school spinning disk drive can be with how many hours they are on, how cheap they are, how many times they’ve been written to, etc. Im IT at a school I know how bad they get.

Malfeasant ,

I have Linux running on a 10 year old machine with 5400 rpm drives, and it does just fine streaming video to multiple TVs at once… Helps that there are 5 of them configured as raid-5…

Commiunism ,

Well, 2 weeks after that happened, I asked my teacher if I could install Linux onto the PC and they agreed. Went for a minimalist arch setup since that’s what I’m familiar with already, and it worked fine. Updates were still somewhat slow but they’d only take around 1-2 minutes maximum, excluding the download times for packages, and it ran smoothly.

That being said, Windows 10 on that craptop was fine for browsing, and boot times weren’t too bad, only taking 30s on average. It’s just that updating the system and using VS (since we were forced to use it as IDE until I switched to Linux, at that point I just went with neovim) were two major pain points.

Honytawk ,

Great, now install Tiny11.

Which is a minimalist Windows 11, and see how much faster that runs as well.

Or did you think there was only one version of Windows OSes?

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Idk, it still takes Windows 10 much longer than I’d expect on my system. I wish it only took 5 minutes

Honytawk ,

First World problems

“This more complex OS takes 3 more minutes to update completely, oh the horror!”

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

It really is a first world problem, can’t deny that. Still though, it shouldn’t take that long to install.

Look at pacman on Arch, that thing installs packages so fast, the only meaningful factor for how long an update takes is your download speed

cows_are_underrated ,

You misspelled a word. Let me correct that for you:

“This bad OS takes 3 more minutes to update completely, oh the horror”

Thank me later.

Just kidding. One thing that is unarguably better with Linux is, is the fact that you can update whenever you want and you can do it in the background while using your computer.

IuseArchbtw ,

Can I interest you in Linux?

EherVielleicht OP ,

I am already interested. My next laptop will b a Linux.

IuseArchbtw ,

Are you aware that you can already dual-boot it? So you can install it parallel to your Windows install and use both

EherVielleicht OP ,

No, link pls.

arkhos ,

Take a look at this step-by-step tutorial => Tutorial FreeCodeCamp Dual Boot

EherVielleicht OP ,

Thx

voidMainVoid ,

Another cool thing is Ventoy. Install it to a thumb drive with a bunch of different distro ISOs, and you try out all kinds of flavors of Linux with installing them.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

The easiest way offers Q4OS (Debian base), it has an Windows installer, you can install and desinstall it like an normal programm, it get rid of the system and you can use it along with Windows or in Dual Boot.

NateSwift ,

username checks out

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Linux has my interest when I don’t have to jump through 50 hoops to use something as basic as the Paint.net program.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

What do you do that you need paint.net specifically?

Genuine question, it’s been a long time since I’ve used it, so I’m not very up to date on what it can do

Sheeple ,
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Pixel art and spritesheets! It’s just the tool I have years of experience with and feel the most comfortable with. I tried to switch to other similar tools, however the mild difference in processes causes me to honestly be unable to adapt.

In theory I could use a different program. In practice my brain just goes “me no likey” and my creative energy dies.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

In practice my brain just goes “me no likey” and my creative energy dies.

Oh, I feel you on that one. When my goblin brain doesn’t want to cooperate, it doesn’t want to cooperate, not much I can do about that.

const_void , 

<span style="color:#323232;"> sudo apt install krita
</span>

One hoop

Honytawk ,

Oh look, a “solution” that doesn’t fit the problem description.

If Sheeple wanted an alternative, they would have asked for one.

const_void ,

Lol u mad

zxqwas ,

The only reason I click on “what’s new” is to get rid of the notification. There are exactly two programs where I care and I appreciate all the other programs shutting up.

Omega_Jimes ,

The new update was candy crush! You uninstalled it before, but we think you were mistaken.

far_university1990 ,

We saw you uninstalled candy crush. We fixed that for you.

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