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wolandark ,
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Smoke pipe. No ash, no butts

sodiumbromley ,
@sodiumbromley@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

No ash? That’s smoking butane.

Xanthrax ,
@Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

Suck in the cached bowl and pour the bong out when you’re done smoking. You don’t have to use the lighter the entire time when you’re smoking the bowl. Leave it cherried, and when it goes out, suck it into the bong. You will have to clean your bong more often.

Xanthrax ,
@Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

If you use paper filters, they’re also biodegradable on their own.

m3t00 ,
@m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

read tobacco companies are into addictive foods. one track business model. oreo?

toaster ,

All the smokers I know pocket their butts and toss them in the garbage later 🤷

I guess they still ash their cigs on the ground, but I don’t really see ash as an issue. Maybe it is, but not to my knowledge

isVeryLoud ,

Ash is not as much of an issue, the butts are toxic to wildlife.

My experience is totally opposite, I don’t know a single smoker who disposes of their butts properly.

limelight79 ,

I can’t speak to quantities or rates, but I see a LOT of cigarette butts on the ground. This meme is right on target, in my experience.

My “favorite” was the time one threw their cigarette butt out the window of their car on a highway and it somehow ended up under the cowl of my windshield, so the smell was being sucked into my car by the ventilation system. And I couldn’t easily get in there to remove it - I needed tools I didn’t have on the road with me. At least it didn’t start a fire.

isVeryLoud ,

That’s nasty, I have a nice burn hole in my jacket because someone tossed a lit cigarette out of their window and it landed in my jacket hoodie while riding a motorcycle.

Nurgle ,

I’ve since quit, but me and my friends would dispose of our butts properly. The problem is like a single asshole can toss 20+ butts in a day. So it’s really obvious when people are shitheads, but you’ll basically never notice people are functioning members of society.

limelight79 ,

Yeah, that’s why I mentioned not knowing rates - I’m sure there are people who do the right thing with them, but the ones that don’t are the ones that are going to stand out.

Socsa ,

I did when I smoked. I knew a few others who did as well (maybe only when I was around them idk). But yeah, the vast majority don’t give a fuck.

I hate to say it, but these days it’s kind of a thing mostly underprivileged people do, and these people tend to have bigger problems than being socially and environmentally conscious.

baremetal ,

smoking is a beautifully executed tax on people via addiction. They created a product they cloak in the terminology of freedom and history, loaded with additional addictive chemicals and pushed it on our youth years ago. It’s not bad enough to kill you or your ability to “produce” but the odds are good it will kill you before you can collect social security and will act as a daily tax as its marked as a luxury good. It’s disgusting for all kinds of reasons that have nothing to do with the filter or the smell.

AngryCommieKender ,

I’m just gonna leave this here

youtu.be/GMOyNgLSX2g?si=61k7yuW0th2nNXQC

banneryear1868 ,

Don’t see anything wrong with a cigar or hookah once in a while, cigs are gross though.

irationslippers ,

I totally agree with you re: disposing of the end of the cigs. But when you’re outside, do you have an issue with the ash aswell?

bleistift2 OP ,

I do have a problem with the ash. But I’ll admit that it’s more a conscious one than the emotional antipathy I feel towards the buds. The buds you can at least pick up and discard. But once the ash is on the ground, the pollutants are irretrievably in the environment.

irationslippers ,

Is it that much of a pollutant? Again just ash, I’m always pretty conscientious to dispose of my filter tips, but never thought the ash was a problem. Does it severely damage plant life? Is ashing in a concrete carpark more acceptable?

Not trying to get facetious here, genuinely trying to find out more.

bleistift2 OP ,

I couldn’t find anything scientific specifically about cigarette ash, so I’m just reasoning from common sense.

Part of the problem of filter tips are heavy metals. I hypothesize that not all the metals are converted to gas and sucked into the filter while the cigarette is lit. Therefore there must be heavy metals remaining in the ash. These seep into the ground and ground water, whether the ash starts out on a parking lot or in a park.

If that’s dangerous to plant life depends on the plants living there. Tobacco, for instance, seems to handle them well (that’s how the metals get into the ash in the first place: tobacco sucks them out of the ground). “[S]ensitive plants growing in sites with heavy metals exposure show altered metabolism, growth reduction, and reduced biomass production and reduced yield.” [1]

link.springer.com/chapter/…/978-3-030-41552-5_4

irationslippers ,

Okay, but are their heavy metals in the ash or just the tips? I use paper tips so I don’t think there is any heavy metal in them, but if it’s in the ash then that’s different. Thank you for looking into it tho.

miss_brainfart ,
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Let me just add the following:

Many smokers never even think about it. It’s the most normal thing in the world to them to just flick their cigarette anywhere. It’s so engrained in their brains that it’s okay to do so, which is the main part of the problem.

Just calling them out on it to make them aware can be a great start.

SummerIsTooWarm ,

The problem is that calling them out on this behaviour is usually met with aggression…

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

That can sadly happen, yeah. I only do it when there’s enough other people around to hear and see it, which also puts extra pressure on them.

Faydaikin , (edited )
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Lol, I think the problem goes way beyond smokers.

But if you want to be the guy that singles out one small group of people to antagonize in a sea of sinners, I’m not gonna stop you.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

There can be a great many things that make it difficult to do so, but at the end of the day, each and every person is responsible for properly disposing of their trash.

Faydaikin ,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Agreed.

bleistift2 OP ,

And this, children, is what we call Whataboutism.

Faydaikin ,
@Faydaikin@beehaw.org avatar

Call it what you want. The point remains the same.

doctorn ,
@doctorn@r.nf avatar

Technically nature made us and in time we made plastic, so technically nature made plastic… This is all just nature’s fault! Kill it! 😬

Magnetar ,

I think smokers are unaware, that cigarette filters are plastic. Plastic full of environmental toxins.

Obi ,
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I don’t smoke cigarettes anymore but when I did I was fully aware that the tips were disasters in terms of how long they take to break down and their pollution impact, which is why I’d never throw them anywhere that wasn’t an ashtray or a bin.

Now joints, I’ve felt free to when it’s just a bit of paper and organic matter that is pretty much already obliterated just by smooshing it with my shoe.

ccdfa ,

I don’t smoke anymore either, but when I did I bought pure cotton filters that were biodegradable in case they left the bin somehow.

amminadabz ,

Did i just see this same meme on c/ich_iel or am i worse at german than i thought?

bleistift2 OP ,

No, you’re right. When I create a meme, I also post a German version.

amminadabz ,

Oh, based

ComradeChairmanKGB ,
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Get owned Tar Fiends

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

A reminder: the filters are basically plastic and will last forever.

Say what you want about the rest, it’s filters which bother me the most.

MystikIncarnate ,

I thought they were cotton. TIL.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Cellulose acetate. Yeah.

MystikIncarnate ,

Interesting.

“cigarette filters take years to be broken down in the open”

Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose_acetate

Not that I doubted you at all, I just wanted to get a bit more detail. The whole article is rather interesting in how we’ve used CA as a society and what happens to it. In some cases, according to the above, the product can be biodegraded using cellulaise and exposure to 280nm or smaller wavelengths of light to promote the process; the cellulaise is only present in very bio-active soil, which isn’t common in places where smokers will be tossing their butts, the filter is usually protected by paper wrap, so even sitting in the open where it can be bombarded with direct sunlight, there’s going to be a significant delay before any UV can reach the CA in the filter.

I’m extrapolating from the Wikipedia article for that last bit… but it’s logically sound. Between the difficulty of UV reaching the CA, plus the absence of any additional substances to aid in the degradation of the CA, it would take substantial time to degrade. Though it’s derived from either cotton or wood cellulose.

It’s fascinating stuff.

I’ve never regularly smoked cigarettes, and I’ve always had an issue with people just flicking their butts wherever they want. Now I have scientific information to support that discomfort, so thanks

tallwookie ,

up to 10 years or so, actually --> …org.nz/…/1543-measuring-biodegradability

not sure about glass - obsidian is basically glass and it lasts a lot longer than that.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Not sure about that list - they don’t “biodegrade”, but they do break down into microplastics, our favourite size of plastic these days.

tallwookie ,

eh, i prefer the nanoplastics - microplastics make my cells feel funny

Resistentialism ,

See, that’s exactly why I don’t use an Ash tray or a bin.

I don’t throw it on the ground either. I just swallow it. There is no need to worry about littering or finding somewhere for it that way.

drathvedro ,

You don’t realize how scarce trash cans there are until you start smoking.

That’s why I became enlightened and switched to vaping. Now I can stop worrying about trashcans and just pour chemicals straight into the ground (and into my own pockets). 256 IQ move right there, so smart it overflows back to 0.

avapa ,

When I was still smoking I had a pocket ashtray. Saw them in some random anime a couple of years back and then bought one.

ComradeChairmanKGB ,
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I see piles of cigarette butts a foot away from trash cans all the time. Smokers are too lazy and too stupid to extend their arm before dropping them.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

They don’t belong in a trash can either

ComradeChairmanKGB ,
@ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Still better than the ground

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

A trash can will hold all kinds of inflammable material, so no. Fuck anyone who puts their cigarette butts in anything but an ash tray specifically made for this purpose.

hackris ,

I mean, if you dip it in water or make sure it’s not burning/warm to the touch when you throw it out, no harm can be done. I do agree with you about burning cigarette butts though.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

If only people would do at least that. I saw it first hand, maybe that’s why it angers me so much. Prevented a forest fire by sheer luck of being at the right place, at the right time.

Hiked up a hill on vacation, chilling, having a great time, when my friend suddenly points at a trash can saying: Uh, is that thing smoking?

Middle of the woods, that trash can was tied to a fucking tree, too. We sacrificed the water we brought with us and notified whoever was to notify. One hour later and it might’ve been too late.

Dear smokers:
CIGARETTE BUTTS BELONG IN AN ASH TRAY MADE FOR DISPOSING OF CIGARETTE BUTTS, AND NOWHERE ELSE.

TAKE A PORTABLE ASH TRAY WITH YOU, IF YOU INTEND TO SMOKE WHILE BEING OUT AND ABOUT. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE.

hackris ,

Yeah man, those people are pieces of shit. I also extunguished many burning trash cans in my time.

That’s why, back when I used to smoke, I had to be 100% sure the cigarette was not even warm (by touching the end with my finger) before throwing it out.

miss_brainfart , (edited )
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Even then, smokers need to make it a habit to throw it into an ash tray. I do not give a single fuck as to how well it’s put out, it belongs into an ash tray.

Some things deserve a zero-tolerance policy, and this is one of them.

hackris ,

Of course, if you mean the ash tray on some trash cans. A normal ash tray, like the one on a table, however, will still get emptied into a trash can.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

See, the problem I have with this is that a smoker might read this and all they see is it all goes in the trash anyway, so why bother

Sentiments like these are exactly what we should be trying to dissolve and work against.

hackris ,

To be honest, if someone is stupid enough to throw burning things into the trash can, I don’t really think you can make them change their mind.

Nurgle ,

Piles of cigarette butts? What 1980s city do you live?

MJBrune ,

… that would be 257.

Anamana ,

“On your right you can see our newest national heritage, the Elfbar-forest”

Socsa ,

I just shoved them back in the pack after scrapping off the cherry if I needed to. It made it smell bad, but didn’t really change the taste of the other smokes.

lameJake ,

I can’t really comprehend how it got so accepted. Why don’t we punish this behaviour sufficiently if it is observed. Something like 12h of picking up filters would be quite fitting.

hungryphrog ,

How would that be enforced?

miss_brainfart ,
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Look at Singapore

lameJake ,

I think it probably would be enough if smokers just have to fear getting caught because its really not that big of a deal to throw it into the trash.

Zak ,
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Presumably by police officers issuing citations for littering and judges imposing sentences that include community service doing litter cleanup.

wholeofthemoon ,

I love sending in dashcam videos of litterers, instant $400 fine lol

Reken ,
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My boss literally wanted me to clean up cigarettes that him and several other workers threw on the ground constantly. Keep in mind there’s a cigarette trash can that’s right outside but no one cares to use it. Needless to say, I said fuck no and he didn’t argue lmao.

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