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tomi000 ,

Does anyone actively enjoy early christmas decoration? Its not the people Im annoyed with, its the stores.

Gasandthefuhrerious ,

Yes to everything except the advocados. I hate superfoods and what they do to the soil.

UnicodeHamSic ,

You don’t eat avocado because it is healthy. You eat it because it is basically butter

Getallen ,

Butter doesnt taste like a mixture of piss, pus, and shit.

pomodoro_longbreak ,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

Wow I should check out piss puss and shit

Gasandthefuhrerious ,

8fit.com/nutrition/health-benefits-of-avocados/Its being promoted as being healthy, even super healthy.

All jokes aside advocados require a lot of farmland and water that is better spend on better crops. greenly.earth/…/what-is-the-avocados-environmenta…

UnicodeHamSic ,

I mean, in that it is a fatty fruit we are using in in place of meat meaning that it is still an efficient use of farmland compared to cattle. I am from the southwest. We have a history of using avocados separate to the advertising wave

Gasandthefuhrerious ,

If you use it as a replacement, all is well. It is a big if though:

In the Netherlands advocado is actually placed in the NOT a meat replacement categorie because of its lack in nutritional values. The winner is Tofu and Tempah for meat replacement and the ‘vegatarische hamburger’. Here its just a ‘super food’ compared to other fruits. And people eat it like that.

www.gewoon-duurzaam.nl/eten/vleesvervangers/

Cattle is always ineffective compared to most other foods (next to other issues) and we should try to replace meat with replacement products. However we should aim for an efficient replacement that can be produced locally in each country specific. For you that can be advocado, in the Netherlands that is probably going to be soja.

I just wished the industry finally made something as tasty as meat…

UnicodeHamSic ,

I am confused how you are eating avocado over there where it isn’t “meat” portion of a meal. Like, avocado toast here is a popular item. In that place the avocado is used where you would use a portion of meat or cheese. The other use is a condiment where it would be taking the place of a meat or dairy option.

At least here in America we have that tech pretty much perfected. Most fast food has a portion of the meat replaced with textured vegetable protein and no one knows or cares. For nearly any meat portion of a dish the tech is there to use a cheaper plant alternative. Steak is a hard one. However any kind of fried or breaded meat can be perfectly replaces.

I watch this one guy on YouTube sauce stash. His main gimmick is finding cool ways to cook vegetables so they come out like meat. His results are impressive really without much complicated work.

UnicodeHamSic ,

Letting go of the part of you that judges other people is important. It hurts, because that is one of the few avenues of control we can experience in our lives alienated by capitlaism.

Letting your self be free of those childish emotions and learning to replace them with love for your fellows is the path towards true happiness however. That is one of those weird tricks the government doesn’t want you to know. Except it is real and it works. The more negative you are about other people the more negativity you experience and the more treats you need to buy to survive. The heart of every true revolutionary is full of love.

7bicycles ,

I am judging the fuck out of nazis though and I will not stop

CatoPosting ,
@CatoPosting@hexbear.net avatar

Tolerance for everything but the intolerant.

UnicodeHamSic ,

Yeah, you got me there that one is valid. After the revolution when all the hungry are fed and the cold are warm, then we can spend the time trying to help them grow and overcome whatever caused this. Until then however minecraft

Jax ,

Blown away by a message like this coming from a hexbearian.

Good message, just an odd source.

rubpoll ,
@rubpoll@hexbear.net avatar

Let people not like things.

Tankiedesantski , (edited )

Sorry but I like [thing] and therefore [thing] must be held inviolate from even the mildest criticism.

Zuzak ,

What criticism even is there against PSLs and Halloween decorations??

rwhitisissle ,

PSLs are gross, overly sugarladen drinks and emblematic of both crass consumerism and America’s obsession with unhealthy food. Halloween decorations are gaudy and an eyesore and also emblematic of crass consumerism, while also representing a non-trivial amount of non-biodegradable plastic waste that just winds up buried in landfills every year.

Zuzak , (edited )

Ahh yes, the classic emblem of America’s crass consumerism checks notes flavored coffee.

PSLs and Halloween decorations are bourgeois decadance, clearly.

robot_dog_with_gun ,

lattes are french and therefore bourgeois, real proles drink black coffee or take trucker pills.

rwhitisissle ,

No, not flavored coffee. PSLs. Different things. It’s like saying “pork sandwiches” when someone brings up the McRib. It’s not that simple. Food has a cultural component tied to its manufacture and identification. And, similar to the McRib, Starbucks style PSLs are food that probably shouldn’t exist and which only does as a byproduct of market capitalism. They’re the Lacanian ‘object a’ - an empty, manufactured falseness. We don’t desire the thing itself, but the thing whose absence it symbolizes. What you’re really consuming when you drink a PSL or a McRib is its innate mechanical predictability.

Zuzak ,

Have you considered the possibility that some people like the taste of pumpkin spice lattes? Or do you just get to dismiss everything you personally dislike as “The Lacanian ‘object a?’” You could substitute literally any food or drink for PSLs in what you said, it’s completely meaningless.

It’s just empty words and phrases for you to feel superior to others based on what treats you enjoy or don’t enjoy.

trafguy ,

You’re welcome to dislike something, but that doesn’t mean you need to discourage someone else from liking that thing. You can share an opinion without making it sound like it’s a sin against nature to disagree with that opinion.

InputZero ,

Then how else am I supposed to feel superior compared to everyone else if I don’t impose my standards on them? I’m just trying to help them. It’s like you want to live in a world where people don’t know they’re loosers. That’s dumb, you’re dumb. /s

Maeve ,

That’s quite literally sounds like a close family member.

DoucheBagMcSwag , (edited )

If intolerant bigots could read that they’d be very upset

Edit: and here they come to out themselves

AntiOutsideAktion ,
@AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net avatar

bigotry and intolerance are when you criticize my treats

ProxyTheAwesome ,

These people want a perfect protected treat echo chamber where they can consoom disney shit endlessly without anyone troubling them with “critiques” or “disagreement”

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Jokes on you. I think Disney is releasing shit after shit release

Awoo ,

And you should be able to say that as loudly and as often as you like!

autismdragon ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

Eh that depends. The reactionary ragebait Youtubers who do this should all be thrown into a pit together and I’m suspicious of anyone echoing certain talking points about certain media because of them.

Awoo ,

I think there’s a difference between “Disney is releasing shit” and "THE WOKE MIND VIRUSSSSS frothingfash "

But you’re right, Disney today doesn’t feel any different to Disney of 25 years ago. Their new movies are pretty much the same as their old ones. So it really does deserve deeper investigation to check the reasoning.

DoucheBagMcSwag , (edited )

After Avengers End Game everything is either mid or below average

As a very long term Star Wars fan, I absolutely hated the Star Wars sequel trilogy after The Force Awakens and even their marvel content I haven’t been arsed to watch (This includes the movies)

Their animated movies are also uninspired now.

The quality has just dropped majorly across all facets.

Awoo ,

Avengers End Game

Marvel is the producer for this, not Disney.

Star Wars

Fair. Honestly Lucas never should have let go of something that so heavily relies upon plot being based within his personal political criticisms. It’s not really a surprise that other writers are missing the mark with it when his politics are rather close to marxist.

Their animated movies are also uninspired now.

Like? Ok Lightyear is trash but Raya and Encanto are fine, very typical Disney movies tbh. Seems more like your problem is with Pixar than Disney? Frozen 2 was mid but I can’t think of a single Disney sequel that wasn’t.

DoucheBagMcSwag , (edited )

I never saw Raya and the music for encanto was good

The constant live action remakes of classics that don’t need to be remade. Why.

Instead of remaking already decent movies, remake something that maybe could have been better like The Black Hole

Awoo ,

The constant live action remakes of classics that don’t need to be remade. Why.

capitalist-laugh

ProxyTheAwesome ,

Wow why you yukking Disney’s yum?

ProxyTheAwesome ,

I can discourage or encourage whatever I want. I didn’t elect you king of the discourse or agree to your rules

trafguy ,

Nor did I elect you king of what I’m allowed to enjoy. Go ahead and police people’s thoughts if you insist, but don’t expect to be included by people you willfully offend.

ProxyTheAwesome ,

Go ahead and police people’s thoughts if you insist, but don’t expect to be included by people you willfully offend.

I will, and you can’t exclude me lmao. Deal with it, you have to deal with critiques and disagreements, how terrible for you

GarbageShoot ,

“Discourage” and “disallow” are two different things.

Awoo ,

people you willfully offend.

Lmao anyone offended because someone criticised their latest marvel slop or videogame deserves to be their head shoved in a toilet.

autismdragon ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

Criticizing things is fine but there is in fact a line where you become the asshole for doing it too hard or in a bad faith way. Or targeting individual people (particularly minors). The PSL thing is a good example because while we can criticize the comedication of it, some of the discourse around it is really misogynistic.

ProxyTheAwesome ,

I literally don’t care about being an asshole, that’s fine. I can criticize whatever I want

autismdragon ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

You should probably care about things like misogyny and harassing minors lol. Which is what my post was about.

ProxyTheAwesome ,

Making up something I’m not doing to get mad about

autismdragon ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

I wasn’t accusing you of it. We aren’t in DMs right now. It was a general statement about something I think is true, that people can use "criticizing things’ as a guise for assholishness and even bigotry. Not saying you’re doing that.

ProxyTheAwesome ,

I don’t think assholishness is necessarily a bad thing, it’s value-neutral. I would simply not be bigoted in my critiques, and bigotry is a separate issue entirely that can be addressed directly, and has nothing to do with the “let people enjoy things” poptimism ethos that pervades much of the internet which I think is disgusting. I dont believe anybody has a “right” to not hear criticisms of their favorite things, and mostly people have an issue with it because they’ve made consumption their identity and feel personally attacked by critiques on what they consume. They need to separate their identity from the commodity, not get mad at the messenger.

autismdragon ,
@autismdragon@hexbear.net avatar

I don’t think assholishness is necessarily a bad thing, it’s value-neutral.

Really depends on the context ie who you’re being a dick to and for what reason.

Like we had a “dont be a dick to your comrades” rule for a reason, for example.

I’ve seen the backlash to “let people enjoy things” lead to some behavior I’d consider fairly toxic in its own right. I bring up the minors thing because they tend to be the most passionate about fandom stuff, and I see grown ass adult grumpy shitheads harassing them for liking inoffensive things. Which I think is kind of the source of that attitude.

“Let people enjoy things” for me isn’t about “don’t criticize things people like”. Its about “dont go out of your way to do targeted harassment towards people over things they like”. I mean there are obvious exceptions like streamers who streamed wizard game, but even things like that can cross into harassment.

Like, if you check my post history i’m literally currently dealing with a mod of a wrestling forum who’s so obsessed with bunny cop that he has alerted both his politics and how he moderates around that fact, and claims its because Judy is his comfort character. So OBVIOUSLY I think people can become to obsessed with their things and make it part of their identity in a self-warping way. And that those people can use “let people enjoy things” as a shield for that behavior.

But I think there’s a middle ground here because if you think “I’m allowed to criticize things” cant be used as a shield for toxic behavior as well, you’re wrong.

Vinny_93 ,

Read up on the climate effects of eating avocado

balderdash9 OP ,

https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/63262fa7-6f2c-48ff-9f83-c7c77f86ac87.webp

Sheeple , (edited )
@Sheeple@lemmy.world avatar

Yee Avocado is expensive for a reason. Takes an absurd amount of water to grow.

Tenthrow ,
@Tenthrow@lemmy.world avatar

Requiring a lot of water to grow something isn’t inherently problematic. The issues only come in when wealthy landowners steal drinking water during drought conditions to grow things. When it comes down to brass tacks, the cartels are more of an issue with avocado production (and actually one of the bigger reasons they are expensive).

All that to say, it doesn’t really matter in the end. If you enjoy your avocados and can afford them, have at it. We’re all doomed to be crushed under the cloven hooves of our billionaire gods anyway.

Maeve ,

Obligatory “what about bottled water/hoa/golf industries?”

_stranger_ ,

Caligula: You’re telling me those things have had one neck this whole time?!

GrammatonCleric ,
@GrammatonCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Read up on deez nutz

kaj ,

Nowhere near as bad as meat and dairy. So you’re vegan, right? Otherwise saying this would be hypocritical.

Gigan ,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

It’s possible for two things to be bad

MrScottyTay ,

But if you still eat meat and die on the hill of avocados being bad for the planet then you’re a hypocrite. If you truly believe both things can be bad then practice what you preach brother

Sotuanduso ,

Actually, stealing is bad, so I can get away with murdering as many people as I want because at least I’m not a thief.

Maeve ,

Circle of life?

theneverfox ,

Avocados also tend to be grown in places where water is less available… If we all became vegetarians tomorrow, avocados would still be a big problem

name_NULL111653 ,

https://pawb.social/pictrs/image/55fc240a-a86d-4d8f-9977-4010e205049f.jpeg

Gigan ,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

Almonds too

max ,

Read up on the climate effects of eating beef

Vinny_93 ,

Read up on ‘whataboutism’

max ,

Yeah that’s the thing I’m pointing out dude

Vinny_93 ,

Well I’m pointing out that I was responding to something actually mentioned in the post

BlinkerFluid ,
@BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

If I don’t eat beef, there’s not much incentive to create better alternatives so that I don’t.

max ,

Lmao are you unironically saying you’re doing the right thing eating beef because you’re creating incentive to make you stop eating beef?

BlinkerFluid ,
@BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one avatar

That’s the joke.

seitanic ,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Every time you eat an avocado, a baby seal dies.

IHaveTwoCows ,

I’m fine with this as long as you acceot that “Hawaiian pizza” is an abomination

upandatom ,

I’d add hating on Hawaiian Pizza into this list.

Irony!

Bnova ,
@Bnova@hexbear.net avatar

Wrong, it’s delicious. The Hawaiians got it right.

ImmortanStalin ,

That one Greek immigrant in Canada got it right! Lol

Bnova ,
@Bnova@hexbear.net avatar

They’re an honorary Hawaiian.

UnicodeHamSic ,

Pineapples are south American. It’s a rascism thing

Adkml ,

One of the islands is majority owned by dole and is one of the largest pineapple farms in the world.

Fuck dole and monopolies but “saying pineapples are from Hawaii is racist” is dumb as shit

UnicodeHamSic ,

Thr plant is native to South America. Dole sold them as Hawaiian so they could charge more. Same thing with dragon fruit. It is also south American but they gave it an Asian theme so it sounds fancy and they can charge extra. Really basically every good plant came from the America’s but we associate then with some fancier place. Tomatoes, Italy. Potatoes? Ireland. You and I both know if we called spaghetti Mexican fusion they wouldn’t be able to charge half what they do for it at the olive garden.

RoabeArt ,

Same with coconuts. They are associated with Hawaiian and Caribbean cultures when in fact they’re native to South Asia and the Austronesian islands.

ElBarto ,
@ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

Nah, some Canadian Greek guy invented Australia’s most popular pizza, the hawaiian pizza

IHaveTwoCows ,

Hawaiians had absolutely nothing to do with it. A Greek guy in Canada made it up.

Fridgeratr ,

Nope. It’s awesome

UnicodeHamSic ,

You have fallen for whatever marketing department propaganda this pineapple war is

seitanic ,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Is nobody going to talk about the avocado man in the right-hand corner

Rolder ,

I don’t mind people putting up decorations early, it’s when stores swap out their seasonal stock early that triggers me

chiliedogg ,

Last year local Home Depot started clearancing out Halloween decorations to make room for Christmas stuff in September.

UnicodeHamSic ,

Halloween is the only good holiday. It is the only one that maintains any connection to it’s pre modern roots. It is about giving candy to children for free fuck capitlaism. It is about enjoying everything society says is wrong. It requires some creativity in ways most people don’t get to experience the rest of the year. It invites experimentation and self expression.

Rolder ,

Halloween is still pretty capitalistic. You have to buy the candy you are handing out, and are encouraged to purchase decorations and make your home thematic to the season

UnicodeHamSic ,

But it is still less bad than other holidays.

Jax ,

Have you just never been to a club on halloween? Halloween is, by no stretch of the imagination, free from capitalist endeavors.

Those between 18 and 34 participate at the highest rate, and they end up spending the most on their costumes (capitalism).

You can like Halloween all you want, don’t kid yourself into believing that it’s somehow “pure”

MargotRobbie ,

Somebody should make a movie around this message of jaded adults refinding their humanity in an absurd, hyperconsumerist world through the rejection of cynicism and embracing of liking things again, but cleverly disguise it as a movie made to sell plastic dolls to little girls to play on the concept of hyperconsumerism.

I think this hypothetical movie will be a smashing success in the box office. And probably win the lead actress an Oscar this year.

pthaloblue ,

I absolutely agree, I think you ahem that lead actress should win an Oscar.

But I think it’s important that we don’t let enjoying things become synonymous with liking (mindless purchasing) the corporate products that are being sold to us at a breakneck pace.

What ways do we have to still create our own ways to have fun? How can we make our own “weird barbies”?

MargotRobbie ,

The difference is that you should enjoy things not because nothing matters in this world (that would be hedonism.), but because the world matters to you, and you will fight to make it better.

There comes a point in everybody’s life where they are faced with their own mortality and finally figure out what they are meant to do. None of us will be here forever, so, I think we should use our short time on this Earth to fight for a world where everyone is free to find their way in life, and be themselves again.

Kinda vague, but everyone is different, so, everyone will have to figure it out on their own.

jayemar ,

I really like your first sentence. Great take, thanks for sharing.

ZombiFrancis ,

I’d like to think even as a jaded adult this isn’t just an impersonation.

And I assume the Ken dance off scene is an allegory to the obliteration of the ego resulting in self reflection?

MargotRobbie , (edited )

Ok if you had the opportunity to make Ryan Gosling do a dumb song and dance number you would have done the same thing.

It’s funny for actors to play against type because it’s unexpected. Like Leslie Nielsen in “Airplane!”, for example.

InputZero ,

Totally irrelevant to your comment, keep up the strike and hold the line! Assuming you’re the real Margot Robbie and have a prolific platform. I know it’s not fair, especially to the less recognizable members but a lot of other people who are thinking about unionizing are watching the WGA and SAG strikes to see if labour can still win. It’s not just you guys, we’re all with you. Even if they’re too stupid to realize this strike is more important than a new season of NCIS. Labour winning this strike proves that labour isn’t out of the fight and capital hasn’t completely won. Stay strong! Hold the line!

MargotRobbie ,

Thank you.

robot_dog_with_gun ,

bugs-no

pomodoro_longbreak ,
@pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

The Way

Normal people may take up a sport to have fun. Me? I will sit next to you at the houseparty and complain about how sports is draining the brainpower of countless clever people who could be solving real problems, like optimising the fun and variety out of the latest D&D ruleset

aulin ,

You had me until the too early decorations. The other things don’t take away my joy. That does.

Touching_Grass , (edited )

Also harm isn’t why people care. Its the erosion of well defined seasons in order to push corporate products on us and in the end we get fucked up melding of events like remembrance day while people are preoccupied trying to get Christmas shopping in.

It turns what was once cultural events into corporate buy shit quarters. Because its easier for Walmart to sell Christmas stuff in October then wait until it’s the season.

Its a loss and erosion of an important shared culture in favor of only corporate sponsored ones.

aulin ,

This is the reason. It’s all just so commercial now and it never ends!

NuMetalAlchemist ,

How does me putting an inflatable grim reaper in my yard in February take away your joy?

Maeve ,

Nfi but this comment just brought me great joy. I’m grinning.

aulin ,

If just one person does it, it doesn’t. But there are always more.

PotatoesFall ,

Could we, without relentless attention-whoring, stop inventing problems that don’t exist?

Who tf is out there getting flak for ANY of these things? These are all perfectly accepted

Vampiric_Luma ,
@Vampiric_Luma@lemmy.ca avatar

People in various pockets of society? My sister would be one of them.

usernamesaredifficul ,

there was a whole thing a while back saying absolutely vile shit about women that like pumpkin spice lattes

Zuzak ,

Yeah we had a wrecker a while back go full mask-off over pumpkin spice lattes calling them “whore coffee” and making death threats over it. Granted that might just be that one wierdo but hating on PSLs and other “basic” stuff at least was a thing a while back.

usernamesaredifficul ,

yeah that was weird

robot_dog_with_gun ,

i’m suspicious of anything that gains mainstream popularity in capitalist society.

there’s probably some way to connect liking the bland inoffensive default thing more than any niche interesting alternative to white supremacy and cis-heteronormativity but i’m too tired or not high enough to do it

Zuzak , (edited )

There’s probably a way to link literally any given thing to white supremacy and cis heteronormativity provided you don’t care how tenuous the connection is. Hating mainstream stuff when you don’t have an actual reason is just a way to make yourself feel superior. Hell, I could probably draw a more compelling connection from hating basic stuff to white supremacy and cis heteronormativity than you could for the reverse.

The infamous Drones are Queer paper is probably a good example of how it’s possible to draw a connection between virtually any two things if you try hard enough. Or just tell Chat GPT to write an explanation on how X and Y are linked for any two things.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

There’s a website that draws “spurious correlations” between random things. There’s a correlation between the number of people who drowned by falling into a pool per year and how many films Nicolas Cage appeared in per year. Same with the per capita cheese consumption and number of people who died by becoming tangled by their bedsheets.

NeelixBiederman ,

But what about the shriveled flower of joy I get from shitting on their happiness stupidpol

HikingVet ,

Suffer.

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

We already are…that’s kinda the point.

Tankiedesantski ,

Sigh

I’ll go set up the trolley. You wait for me by the track switcher.

AOCapitulator ,
@AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

Ill tie up some bystanders I guess…

UnicodeHamSic ,

It is a lie. Reject false happiness. Enjoy the community of helping your fellow worker.

aaaaaaadjsf , (edited )
@aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

I mean a lot of hexbear, and Lemmy in general, is like that. Just shitting on other people’s happiness over the most trivial of things, bringing out 500 reasons why thing sucks. And it’s done in a hypocritical manner too, if you were to apply their own logic to things they liked and criticise it, they’d get really angry or give you that fake “I don’t care” attitude that everyone can see through. This happens with every discussion about “treats” on hexbear in particular.

a little memedean-smile Me shitting on other people’s “treats” dean-frown Other people shitting on my “treats”

ElHexo ,

What treats do you have in mind?

Ignacio ,

Wishful thinking, unfortunately.

AOCapitulator ,
@AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

Who are these people who upvote posts but never comments, top comment right now has 21 score and the post has 212, thats such an abusrd ratio, is it just a hexbear thing that this is surprising to me?

egonallanon ,

I think it kind of is. Hexbear folks love to post and engage more directly with each other based on what I’ve seen while a lot of people (myself for included) clearly take a much more passive approach and just up vote and move on. My excuse is generally I usually only come on here when bored and have nothing else to fill my time with and I find commenting to be personally kind of exhausting now days.

AOCapitulator ,
@AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

Thats fair enough, thanks for your perspective!

Awoo ,

I think downvotes produce participation anxiety and Hexbear not only doesn’t have them but also promotes a not-giving-a-fuck mentality to posting.

UnicodeHamSic , (edited )

Last time I saw any research about it down votes make people angry with eacother and fight. Which is good for Engagement if you want ad money. Bad for the culture though

robot_dog_with_gun ,

turns out not having downvotes is good for our culture

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