I am being genuine when I say that this perception you have is one of two things- either you are indeed looking at bad Marxists, which is not what I have experienced on Lemmy, or you are referring back to posts that were being intellectually dishonest or violating basic civility rules, so were deleted.
That’s just my experience as a relatively new user
I mean, the theory is what people are supposed to be putting into practice.
I feel like your response is a bit combative and is not actually engaging with what I am trying to say, and it makes sense at the end of this that you have a perception that you’re getting moderated… because you are being an asshole.
edit: also, even in my comment I said that they’d be bad Marxists IF THEY DIDN’T practice the theory. I gave that to you, and you steamrolled right past it.
Any Leftist that’s done any real organizing has likely worked with Anarchists. Those guys hate all states, and aren’t afraid to tell your classic Marxists about how some of those very left states did them realllllly bad. I don’t think any leftist whos operating in good faith has a problem with real critisizm. I think they have problems with state department propaganda lines that they have to hear and refute like every time they try to talk about any kind of Leftism.
Especially since those lines are the some of the most detracting arguements there are (probably on purpose) so most times it does nothing but obfuscate the original point and move the topic of discussion away from that point.
I’m confused. You asked if you would be fine to criticize the left here without getting banned and I replied to that comment answering, and now you’re telling me that wasn’t the subject? Why do you assume I was only talking about the users?
Because the admins and several major mods have a history of censoring disagreement. Especially when it’s criticism of “those very left states.” Often just for saying those states are left… or aren’t.
I never see this “Lenin is my daddy cull the herd uWu” nonsense y’all can’t stfu about, but I sure can’t escape the sea of “I dIsAgReE, sEe YoU oN tEh BaN lIsT!”
Which quite frankly I think SHOULD net a ban, this disingenuous “oh sure you can talk about redistributing wealth but I mention murder being bad AND IM BANNED DURR” bullshit is tiring.
Here’s that thing you think doesn’t exist. Straight-up ‘the Soviet Union did nothing wrong and the holodomor didn’t happen.’ With people cheering him on. In an anarchist community.
Re-reading it now, he also insists the USSR saved Poland… y’know… after they split it in half. If people want to celebrate the Soviets’ role in defeating Hitler, by all means shout it from the rooftops, but nobody got out of World War 2 completely innocent.
I just blocked that guy instead of getting into it - even though I apparently fucking adore getting into it - specifically because of past moderation on this instance. I will bicker and have it out with people for days, when I feel a topic is important, and continue having it out with the mods themselves if they want to intervene, and even I have simply written off most of this instance as an exclusion zone. Too many broadly-agreeable spaces are policed to enforce very specific opinions about really fucked-up topics.
You are mocking people’s honest experiences of this instance. Its reputation is not some conspiracy. New users incidentally mention obvious problems with certain geopolitically important countries, get their comments erased or maybe eat a ban, and are told by old users - ‘yeah, that’ll happen.’
I don’t know if you linked the wrong post or what cause I see one person making lengthy arguments and offering sources while the other makes dinky diversions. Not a great argument on your behalf.
You are mocking peoples honest experiences of this instance
Am I? Because if you’re (or whoever is) here arguing about being banned from .ml, you’re notably not banned from .ml, and if im reading sombodys “This comment will be removed” comment, it by definition hasnt been removed. 🤷
Long means correct, apparently. Nevermind what’s being said.
Considering the counter argument was “Fuck you you’re wrong,” I’m going to go ahead and side with the person who actually makes a coherent point. Any point at all, really. “I CAN’T HEAR YOU LULZ” doesn’t count.
Not all bans are permanent, not all bans are global. Sure, but if you were constantly getting temp bans, it’d be preettttyyyy easy to show some receipts, if it were true and not just a rallying cry for some butthurt capitalist stans.
I get it buddy. You don’t like leftists, so anything leftist is bad. Righties love screaming at me about the modlog, so allow me to turn it on you - If you stay getting banned, show us. Show us you getting banned and all your comments being removed for disagreeing. Should be easy since supposedly anybody left of Biden isn’t allowed to exist on .ml, right?
edit: And pre-empting any posturing about ‘well I made up a challenge and it went unanswered,’ you can check the modlog. Check mine. You don’t need me to hold your hand for it. See where one of your mods misspelled “orientalism” because someone dared call China a dictatorship. I don’t see any point pressing the issue with you when your hot take on counterfactual nonsense is ‘but where’s the detailed disproof? the Gish gallop is correct by default!’
Anniversary of tiannmen square I suppose, talking in to account that the latest complaint posts were about people that were banned for sharing link about it.
that’s not what your meme is about. Your meme is utilizing Palestinian deaths to make some tankie point about China great because West bad. Which is deeply disrespectful to the 35,000.
Calling out how the West wants to call one thing a genocide that is clearly not, while also saying something is definitely not a genocide when it clearly is, that’s called pointing out hypocrisy.
The world can see it. That’s why there is so much green on the 2nd map.
Okay fair point, there’s definitely hypocrisy (although from my information there is definitely some ethnic cleansing going on in xinjiang). Got a different vibe from the meme initially though
Of course Western media aren’t talking about it: it’s their job not to. They’re the ones pushing the “Uyghur genocide” narrative in the first place. Western media are the media of the capitalist class of the imperial core. The cold war(s)[1][2] and red scare(s)[1][2][3][4] never ended.
What is happening to the Uyghurs is considered a genocide because China is moving in Han Chinese into the region, suppressing the religion, political indoctrination, forced sterilization, forced contraception, and forced abortion. No, they are not being bombed but they are being wiped out a different way.
Not a fan of him because he’s anti-communist but a critic of him still said China is running “internment camps in Xinjiang as part of the “preventive measures against extremism””.
Further info from Wikipedia:
Zenz’s research is primarily based on publicly available documents and social media publications by Chinese authorities and local governments that originate directly from the Chinese state, and his research remains “scientifically tenable”, even if it is “instrumentalised by the US government for its harsh anti-China policy”.
Tenable means capable of being defended or maintained.
He doesn’t sound like someone I would want to be around but that doesn’t mean he is wrong.
That is what we are told by our government & think tanks & corporate media. It’s a load of doo-doo.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and once those efforts failed, it concocted and promoted a genocide narrative. Antony Blinken is still pushing this slop, just last month.
We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.
Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.
The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.
Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.
Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).
Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.
As part of China’s affirmative action policies, the Uyghurs and other ethic minorities were excepted from the One-Child policy, and in Xinjiang they have grown in numbers relative to Hans as a result, and this happened similarly with other ethnic minorities in China.
Well Anatolia is basically Arabia and Greeks and Turks are basically the same people despite what both would say therefore Greece is probably kinda in the middle east.
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