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boatsnhos931 , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases

I used to suck dick for blockcain…still do… but I used to too

the_dopamine_fiend ,
@the_dopamine_fiend@lemmy.world avatar

Miss you, Mitch.

perishthethought ,

My fake plants died because I did not pretend to water them.

Ifera , in we used to be punk rock, man. I love you but... you've changed.

Dank is entirely subjective, and even if we were born in the same “back then”, our danks can be completely incompatible. There isn’t an agenda, it is just another extension of capitalism and profitability.

mhague , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases

I wonder how many sites will bother checking for Spanish pornpasses. Seems they’re just playing people and waiting for the inevitable, “Turns out the Internet isn’t respecting our kids, we need to ratchet up the control. We tried to give you a good deal though, right?”

LavenderDay3544 ,

Most will just block themselves there like pornhub does in the states that require checking IDs in the US.

Socsa ,

That’s the insidious part of all this - the government will set up captive portals which require you to verify yourself to get outside the federal network. It will start with porn, then it will be VPNs, and so on. This is just a very convenient excuse to establish the infrastructure and process framework which will eventually be used to kill the open internet by a million cuts.

Evotech ,

They will not have to

PyroNeurosis , in the evolution

Gun license? Is this a Canadian meme?

Thcdenton ,

Heard there’s more bald eagles in Canada lol

variants , in priorities

I just slap two 1tb nvme drives in raid0 to get 2tb and all the speeds. If it comes crashing down all my stuff is stored on my server that I care about and I try to not keep more than a few games installed plus with fiber it takes a few minutes to re-download anyways, now I just need to setup a regular backup of my config. I have a habit of doing a clean install every few months so I’m used to living mostly off my server at this point

null ,

NixOS is whispering in your ear

Nougat , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases

One of the things blockchain could do is become a digital proof of ownership, augmenting or replacing things like property deeds and car titles. We already agree that a written record of ownership of such things is legally binding (even if the writing is stored digitally), but transfer of that ownership to another person is still a very manual process. Imagine an NFT that represents ownership of your house, and when you want to sell your house, you transfer that NFT to someone else's custody - adding their ownership information to it. It would record the entire chain of ownership, and specific details about the piece of property involved.

4am ,

And who would the largest nodes on that blockchain be? The banks? Who could say and do whatever they conspired since they command >50% of the computing power and/or value?

The average person isn’t going to build a fucking blockchain node just to keep the deed to their house.

“Grandma, please you need to fill your basement with these ASICs or else script kiddies will steal your house”

Nougat , (edited )

That's not how that works.

NFT is issued determining ownership to a property. Property sells, another NFT is issued, tied to the original one to maintain a chain of ownership. Issuance of a second NFT for a sale to a new owner would depend on authorization by the previous NFT holder. Lienholder information could also be stored, and linked to a mortgage NFT with payment history.

The "NF" part of that stands for "non-fungible." As in, once created, cannot be changed.

MotoAsh , (edited )

They’re not making a technical argument but a practical one.

Who ever owns the chain is the ACTUAL owner of the NFTs. Who ever owns the physical hardware is the ACTUAL controller of the chain.

The problem with NFTs is … they only solve theoretical problems, not problems in the real world, where it ALWAYS takes agreement and cooperation for anything to ACTUALLY function and serve a purpose.

Blockchains have already proven to be no more secure than a properly designed normal database, and are ALWAYS going to take more electricity, so…they continue to be nothing but a toy and a canary for the gullible tech bro.

MonkeMischief ,

Not to mention, at scale, big things like cars and houses are sold a ton every single day…

Having to use all that electricity to mint an NFT every single time, not to mention cases mentioned above like “Oops got it wrong”, yikes…

Would that cost more electricity than hypothetically shifting all vehicles to electric? Now I’m curious haha.

MotoAsh ,

Nah, movement is a ton of energy be it gas or electric. Electric vehicles are still the future for the simple fact that they replace something even less economical or long term.

NFTs replace nothing. Not with an improved version, anyways.

4am ,

I mean, you can use other systems besides cryptographic proof-of-work to determine legitimacy of stakeholders of a blockchain. It doesn’t necessarily have to waste power.

That being said, none of the other alternatives are really viable either. Proof-of-stake? So the “richest” people on the chain control all the money? Sounds like we just reinvented the late-stage-capitalism we already have.

ChairmanMeow ,
@ChairmanMeow@programming.dev avatar

What happens if a mistake was made and an NFT is erroneously issued (for example to the wrong person)?

What happens if the owner dies? How is the NFT transferred then?

Who checks that the original NFT was issued correctly?

What about properties that are split? What happens if the split isn’t represented in the NFT correctly (e.g. due to an error)?

The whole non-fungible part can be a problem, not a solution. It very, very rarely happens that ownership of a property is contested. It happens quite often that a mistake is made during a property transfer/sale that needs to be corrected. How do NFTs deal with this, and are they a solution to a non-issue?

xthexder ,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

See that’s the thing. Not being able to correct transaction errors is a feature of blockchain. I’d go as far as saying it’s the #1 feature of the majority of crypto that brings in all the scammers.

Personally I prefer my money being insured and controlled by the government.

unwarlikeExtortion ,

What happens if a mistake was made and an NFT is erroneously issued (for example to the wrong person)?

That person has it now. They mjght volountarily be willing to send it back with another transactions or the courts could force them to do so (as in give fines, request keys, send to prison, or just have the government own and ooerate all the wallet keys and simulate transactions eith blockchain just as the technology used in a very janky way)

What happens if the owner dies? How is the NFT transferred then?

Similarily, either the government does all the transactions with ‘your’ keys for you, or you write down the keys in your will and have someone of trust (e.g. a lawyer) do the partitioning/transactions part in your stead.

Who checks that the original NFT was issued correctly?

The seller and buyer beforehand, mostly

What about properties that are split? What happens if the split isn’t represented in the NFT correctly (e.g. due to an error)?

Rebalance by having everone affected send their portions for redistribution to a trusted entity

As you’ve said yourself, NFTs seem wholly unsuited for keeping track of general ownership on a large scale. All the problems do have solutions, but they’re either complicated for the owners or it’s someone else controlling people’s keys, defeating the entire point.

words_number ,

Without law enforcement, which is centralized anyway, your documented ownership is worthless. So if the state or a similar centralized real life organization, whiches existence people agree on, is needed to grant and enforce that ownership, blockchain is unnecessary. They can instead just store that shit in a database.

unwarlikeExtortion ,

It could. It may or may not. I agree decentralization is a good thing, but do governments agree as well? First of all, governments are very resistant to change if that doesn’t play into their interests (real or percieved like this privacy violation). Using a traditional database to keep track of ownership seems cheaper (since they already do it) but most of all simpler. I’m not too familiar with the way blockchain functions so I may be wrong, but say someone wants to sell a car. In the current state of most countries you just draw up a paper or fill out a form, maybe get it notarized and pay taxes. A database seems flexible enough that if your sale didn’t get logged and the buyer got pulled over and questioned, they could provide the contract and clear up any questions about ownership. Or say the ownership was stripped as part of a court order. If it was a database, then changing the records is simple, but with blockchain the court would either have to get you to transfer the ownership volountarily, force you to disclose your keys or have some mechnism of forcing a transaction from the requester account (which as I understand it seems what blockchain is here to stop abd a core part of the specification). Alternatively the government just uses blockchain instead of a database, managing all the keys, wallets and identities (as in they have everyone’s keys and do all the transactions) which is the same level of centralization as a database, but with extra steps.

Ownership was (and is) a social contract, and a flexible one at that. Things get gifted volountarily, sold, taken away lawfully and inherited in a single jurisdiction by the thousands daily, and not all of these are well documented. Blockchain seems very limited in what it can do flexibility-wise which makes it unsuitable for keeping track of ownership, and that’s not taking into account that either everyone would have to actively use the blockchain for their sales and be familiar with the technology (decentralized) or having all the wallet keys operated by the government (defeating any useful feature of the blockchain for citizens). Adding blockchain into the mix will just complicate the transfer process and centralize it (as in we either do all validation on the blockchain or none), and with the fact that all the transfer history is centralised in the blockchain (despite it being decentralised in storage, it’s still explicitly stored and accessible) it would serve as just another venue of privacy violation and opression.

Maybe blockchain could be useful for things like, say carbon credits, or similar government-issued ‘currency’, but I don’t see it applicable to validating general ownership on a large scale for the general population, ever. The ‘digital Euro’ proposal, also being blessed by the buzzword Blockchain seems very distopian to me as well. Here, with currency being used I can see how it would be applicable in the real world (instead of heavily unstandardised land deeds, sales contracts and other proofs of ownership you have strictly defined currency units), but this also seems like a gross privacy violation as the government (and maybe anyone) can see where you got your money and where you’re spending it down to the cent.

BaroqueInMind , in the evolution

What the fuck is a gun license?

Thcdenton ,
Viking_Hippie ,

It’s this thing we have in countries with more civilized laws governing death tools.

BaroqueInMind ,

Meanwhile said countries are completely reliant on USA death tools via NATO treaties because you have regulated yourselves into helplessness while Russia is at your doorstep knocking. Good luck to you if Trump is elected and backs away from defense treaties.

EmpathicVagrant ,

We may not need licenses for firearms but we need them for cars, heavy equipment, a ton of employment positions, but not this ranged lethal weapon that fits in your pocket

BaroqueInMind ,

That’s because driving a car or operating heavy equipment are not a constitutional right written down by decree of democratically elected officials during a constitutional convention, you silly fuck.

Regardless, your lack of broadly socially-accepted individual-level firearms training and neutered militaries will be unable to stop the unending meat waves of aggressive territory-hungry Russian rapists no matter how you play it.

EmpathicVagrant ,

Why can’t a civil discourse be had without name calling?

ExFed ,

Pretty sure they’re either a troll or wildly ignorant. Either way, it’s probably safe to just ignore them.

BaroqueInMind , (edited )

I’m actually very dumb and ignorant. Apologies.

However, civil discourse can be done with vulgarity. Just stop being a pearl-clutching limp-wrist self-censoring sycophant.

11111one11111 ,

Limp-wrist? So gay right? That’s where that term comes from, isnt it? So explain to me how, where someone likes to stick their dick has to do with their opinion of firearms?

ExFed ,

There’s a “block user” feature in Lemmy. It’s useful in situations like these. Some people never learn the limits of vulgarity.

BaroqueInMind ,

Oh shit no, I always attributed it to weak people, not LGBTQIA people. Forgive the ignorance.

Point still stands, weak people will vote against their own interests in the guise of a safe society and then get steam rolled by another society less interested in safety.

Katana314 ,

We write on a piece of paper that this tool requires no piece of paper because this other piece of paper says it doesn’t need a piece of paper

USE. ACTUAL. REASONS.

Bytemeister ,

Russia won’t make it past Finland.

BaroqueInMind ,

I really hope so.

I hope all Russian soldiers die slow painful deaths, and I hope their entire economy tanks harder than Putins mom getting railed out by the chimps that were present in the orgy responsible for fathering that bastard.

HelixDab2 ,

That is… Likely not correct. Finland came very, very close to losing the Winter War; Russia pulled back because they didn’t realize that the Finns were on their last legs. Yes, Russia right now couldn’t walk through Finland, but at the strength they had prior to invading Ukraine? It’s much, much more probable. The military of Finland is tiny compared to Russia; 292,000 (about 25k active, the rest reserve) compared to 3,159,000 (1.1M active); looking solely at active military, that’s 44:1, Russian advantage.

The big thing that would stop Russia now is NATO, since all countries are pledged to help any other member country if (when) Russia invade. The US is a significant part of NATO, both in terms of raw manpower, and in terms of money spent on the military. Without NATO, Finland probably loses, as long as Russia presses their attack. With NATO, but a NATO without the US, Finland wins, but it takes years. With both NATO and the US, Finland takes Moscow in 2 months.

Bytemeister ,

Shoot twice four times and go home.

seliaste ,
@seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

You must be very clueless to think europe has no gun factories. The hk416 is a prime example

sharkfucker420 ,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar
saltesc , in the evolution

The eagles against guns are some of the biggest and most bad ass eagles on the planet.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c47c25ba-bab7-46ad-9ed8-561e0d04f2a5.jpeg

They take sheep and roos too. And they don’t need their call dubbed over by a hawk screech to make it seem tougher than it is.

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

There is a red-tailed hawk that roams around my area, and every time we hear it, my wife rolls her eyes and goes “I KNOW it’s not an eagle” because of how many times I would mention it whenever the screech would play on TV or movies.

Viking_Hippie ,

Pavlov would be proud. Amused too, probably 😁

iso , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases
@iso@lemy.lol avatar

Do they need blockchain for it though?

MotoAsh ,

No. This won’t work any better, either. Keeping anonymous porn off the internet is like trying to prevent kids from fooling around with sex by not telling them about sex.

Unless you’re removing their genitals, they’re GOING to figure it out. The situation only gets worse with more ignorance and more control.

far_university1990 ,

Children almost infinite free time, creative mind and bored. They will find what they want to find.

Then tell them to not do X, they gonna put ALL their energy to do X. Cannot stop them, only work with them.

qaz ,

Just tell them not to do Y then, problem solved.

Socsa ,

Which is exactly why this is a stupid idea.

BCsven ,

True dat. I had a reasonable family safe network, and certain things blocked. My daughter was watching some regular movies on a shady website. Me: how did you access that, and doesn’t that need an IP in the US? Her yep, I wanted to catch up on episodes so I setup a proxy server. Me: blink blink OK. I was too glad she learned proxy server setup on her own, to suggest she not access that site.

bolexforsoup , in American Chopper memes are dialectical

Dammit I’ve got another “high brow” meta analysis of this meme/using this meme buried somewhere…

mmhmm ,
@mmhmm@lemmy.ml avatar

Please find it, please

bolexforsoup ,
mmhmm ,
@mmhmm@lemmy.ml avatar

Hero. Absolute gold of a meme

bolexforsoup ,

Pixelated AF but we got it dammit!

yogthos OP ,
@yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

🤣

Thann , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

Git is a real-life use-case

Eiim ,

Git is not a blockchain. Most importantly, it’s not distributed. There’s a singular git server that all git clients for that repository connect to and use as a source of truth.

Tja ,

Counterpoint: it is a chain and there absolutely is not one server.

_MusicJunkie ,

For each project there is one authoritative instance, one “server” that everyone pushes to. Otherwise you get chaos.

perishthethought ,

That may be how you use it, but that’s not backed into git. See my previous response. There’s a bunch of FUD in this thread for some reason.

Thann ,
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

People want simple answers, and “blockchain bad” seems to satisfy many

Asyx ,

That’s not a git thing though. You can totally have multiple remotes and the remotes are just git repositories themselves. Git is 100% decentralized. There is technically nothing stopping you from having multiple remotes.

Tja ,

Otherwise you get git. You’re describing svn.

Thann ,
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

And nobody ever forked a project, and lived happily ever after, then end.

_MusicJunkie ,

If you want to work with the original project, you have to push to the server that controls the original project.

Thann ,
@Thann@lemmy.ml avatar

No you don’t, you can just fork it, add a commit, and walk away, and everyone can decide which one they want to clone

perishthethought ,

git-scm.com/…/Distributed-Git-Distributed-Workflo…

In contrast with Centralized Version Control Systems (CVCSs), the distributed nature of Git allows you to be far more flexible in how developers collaborate on projects. In centralized systems, every developer is a node working more or less equally with a central hub. In Git, however, every developer is potentially both a node and a hub; that is, every developer can both contribute code to other repositories and maintain a public repository on which others can base their work and which they can contribute to.

Windex007 ,

I agree it’s not a blockchain, (although it has chain properties) but it is kinda decentralized. By convention projects almost exclusively have a single remote, and by convention that single remote is treated as an ultimate source-of-truth… But you can absolutely have the same repo with multiple remotes defined, and one could establish different schemes to determine which branches on which remotes represent what in terms of “truth”.

xthexder ,
@xthexder@l.sw0.com avatar

I’ve pulled code branches between my computers without publishing to an external server plenty of times. It’s a really useful feature to be able to keep stuff in sync with a version history.

upto60percentoff ,

Git was built specifically to avoid the necessity to have one authoritative server.

breakingcups ,

That is patently false. It was developed to help develop the Linux kernel, which famously has multiple decentralized repositories managed by different maintainers.

The fact that most companies use it in a way you describe, with only one central repository, does not mean that git is not distributed.

TootSweet ,

One of the crucial differences between blockchain and Git is that Git is fully subserviant to humans and anything can be undone by humans.

If your blockchain house title is stolen by a hacker, either the courts (rightfully) aren’t going to put any significance on the state of the blockchain and are going to say “yeah, you still own your house” (in which case what was the point of using blockchain in the first place rather than a SQL database or some such where mistakes and problems and fraud can be undone without cryptographically-hard obstacles in the way) or if in this hypothetical the Libertarian dystopia has progressed to cartoonish extremes, you’re just SOL and lost your house, which just isn’t even remotely realistic.

Transporter_Room_3 , in me🦝irl
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar
Amphobet , in the evolution
@Amphobet@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary

–Karl Marx

Viking_Hippie ,

He was right about a lot of things and also wrong about a lot of things. This one falls squarely in the latter category.

jaspersgroove , (edited )

Yes, proles. Give up your only means of fighting back. We promise your right to vote is strong enough to protect you from anything. The government that can’t keep its own cops under control will save you. Trust big brother.

Fucking delusional.

Viking_Hippie ,

What’s fucking delusional is thinking that a bunch of civilians armed with handguns and rifles could ever match a modern military should it come to violent revolution or, alternatively, that arming civilians with the kind of weaponry that WOULD do the trick isn’t just a recipe for needless slaughter.

jaspersgroove ,

Ah yes, so the only other option is to roll over, give up your freedom, and trust the government to protect you from everything. Solid logic there.

Viking_Hippie ,

Nope, it categorically isn’t. That’s a strawman/false dichotomy combo so ridiculous that I doubt you’re actually sane enough to be entrusted with any weapon more dangerous than a camping spork.

jaspersgroove ,

Well I could show you my gun collection but at this point I’m fairly certain that you would just shit yourself in fear.

Anyway, have fun being unarmed with the state of the world today. The far right will continue stockpiling weapons and you’ll be knocking on the doors of guys like me if and when they finally decide to use them.

That’s the thing that you’re not getting bud. The far right isn’t going to be using their guns against the military or the government. They’re going to be using the guns against us.

Viking_Hippie ,

Well I could show you my gun collection but at this point I’m fairly certain that you would just shit yourself in fear.

Typical ammosexual trait: can’t distinguish between common sense and cowardice 🙄

Anyway, have fun being unarmed with the state of the world today.

Thanks, I am and so is the vast majority of people in a radius of 1000+ miles from me.

The far right will continue stockpiling weapons

Because ridiculously lax laws and even more lax enforcement allows them to. They’re like politicians with bribes in that aspect.

you’ll be knocking on the doors of guys like me if and when they finally decide to use them.

Nah, I think I’ll just wait indoors until someone much more emotionally stable deals with it after your Rambo wannabe antics have gotten you killed.

The far right isn’t going to be using their guns against the military or the government. They’re going to be using the guns against us

And why is that? Because of the lack of laws, regulations, and enforcement. Not because wannabe tough guys like you don’t have enough penis extenders that go boom.

That’s the thing that you’re not getting, “bud”

jaspersgroove ,

lol

sharkfucker420 ,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

My brother in christ fascist won’t hesitate to kill you if you stand in their way. I am not gonna stand in their way without the means to defend myself because I am not suicidal. Forces of reaction WILL have weapons and they WILL use them. You aren’t going to convince the fascist to take their own guns away from them through voting

boatsnhos931 ,

You are just going to wait indoors 🤣 🤣🤣🤣 which one of the three little pigs are you?

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

statistically speaking that gun is going in your own mouth before you ever use it to serve your community

jaspersgroove ,

Statistically speaking (and assuming you’re an American) you are an overweight 40-something hermaphrodite with some college education, who has 1.8 children and is going to die of congestive heart failure.

There are three kinds of untruth. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Liz ,

It’s not actually about winning against the military. The civics justification for having guns is to make harassment campaigns more accessible when necessary. (Any sustained resistance resistance campaign would have to have outside supply lines.) No modern rebel group has taken on an established military on equal footing. The goal is to make oppressing the population extremely annoying, not to actually be in control yourself. In order to actually run a government you need a different set of skills than to run a resistance campaign, but a resistance campaign might become necessary until we can restore the government to a just one.

There’s other justifications for individual ownership of firearms, but that’s the one most similar to what you’re thinking of.

HelixDab2 ,

What’s fucking delusional is thinking that a bunch of civilians armed with handguns and rifles could ever match a modern military should it come to violent revolution

You just have to make it expensive enough that the military doesn’t want to fight, and you need to have enough of the civilian population on your side that the gov’t can’t control them, too. As the gov’t commits atrocities against its’ own people in an attempt to crush a rebellion, it ends up creating more ideological rebels.

And anyways, you’ll note that the US has tended to get pretty fucked up when dealing with insurgencies and guerilla warfare where it can’t leverage air superiority. How many, say, Air Force pilots do you think will start refusing orders when they find out that their last ‘precision bombing’ run killed 150 children in a hospital?

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

A lot of people are in the military for economic reasons; I don’t think a lot of them would turn on the fellow members of their class. Police, on the other hand…

mojofrododojo ,

I find it hilarious that these sickos suddenly support marx when he endorses their fetishes.

If Marx saw bump stocks cmags and all the other idiotic bullshit they use to murder children and innocents he’d call gun fetishists assholes and reassess.

mindbleach ,

And all his ideas went over exactly as planned.

Guys - maybe widespread access to effortless line-of-sight killing tools also causes problems.

daniskarma , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases

Is it Blockchain based though?

It is a shitty porn passport, I’m Spanish, but I didn’t hear that it was Blockchain based.

Why? It needs a centrar register not an uncentralized one.

TootSweet ,

Yeah, I was just looking through some documentation on it. It says it uses a “digital wallet”. Maybe people are seeing that and thinking that means it’s blockchain-based? I’m not seeing anything more solid claiming there’s any blockchain involved, though. (I’m not 100% certain there isn’t any blockchain involved, though.)

It’s BS either way. Extra super plus plus BS if it’s blockchain-based. But still BS even if there’s no blockchain involved.

ReversalHatchery ,

A blockchain does not mean decentralized. It means a public ledger where each new item validates the one(s) before it

D61 , in So much for Blockchain's real life use cases

Not sure why everybody needs a copy of my, I mean, somebody’s porn passport.

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