Personally I think it’s people like you that dictate how others should act and tell them what they’re allowed to enjoy to be the cancer. There’s a reason the world hates dictators.
Nah. It’s the ads and the steep cost to remove them that make it a bad choice.
Edit: here’s another way to put it: Lemmy is an open-source platform run on independent instances. Your instance could use that $20 way more than Sync needs it.
It’s steep compared to the other options that just don’t have them and offer largely the same experience. I keep hearing that Sync is miles ahead of other apps. It just isn’t.
A good app? Yes. $20 ahead of other apps that just don’t have ads? No.
I edited my above comment to reflect another point, that if all these people are happy to pay $20 to remove ads from Sync, hopefully they’re paying their instances to actually keep Lemmy running.
It is though, it’s miles better than any free alternative I’ve tried. I couldn’t even stand to use lemmy until sync was released because of just how bad the free alternatives were. Sync for Lemmy just works and the UX is the best available that is also highly customizable. The Sync dev is one guy who has bills to pay, he always interacts and listens to feedback and is constantly updating the app. It was the same when it was a Reddit app and it was worth paying for then as well. Why is it so hard to fathom that some people deserve to be paid for their hard work?
It’s not hard to fathom – but that’s not the issue. The dev decided to make an ad-supported app in an ocean of free, no-ad apps. In the views of some folks, the ads and the cost to remove them are too much. Some say it’s worth it; some say it isn’t. That’s the beauty of free choice.
The dev could have opted to take donations if they wanted to try to recoup development costs. Frankly, they could have read the room and noted that there’s a limited market. Given that there are numerous other options available (many of which are free and open source by choice), it’s a hard sell to say one dev should independently be paid simply because they chose to be regardless of the market condition. This isn’t a moral or ethical issue – it’s someone arbitrarily throwing a number out for payment for an app that runs on a free and open source platform.
The Sync dev is one guy who has bills to pay, he always interacts and listens to feedback and is constantly updating the app.
This describes the situation with most of the other devs working on the alternative apps. They’ve been extremely quick with fixes and improvements. Again, no ads in those. Sync is not the standout you seem to think it is.
Why is it so hard to fathom that some people deserve to be paid for their hard work?
If anyone should be paying for anything on Lemmy, it’s for the hosting of Lemmy itself. Sync can’t load anything but its ads without that. I certainly hope people follow this logic when asked to pay for their bandwidth, which is the only place it seems to actually apply.
But hey, to each their own – if people want to pay $20 to cut the ads on one specific app, they should absolutely do that. Don’t frame it as anything other than that though; it’s simply disingenuous.
This whole Sync “issue” (is not an issue for me) has brought to light the way many people in the Lemmy communities feel about FOSS, free apps, ads even privacy, developers’ compensation, etc. It’s been interesting, still paid those $20 tho.
I think one of the thing that irritated some people is that this time they are not paying for more, they are paying to remove a nuisance (tracking). This is something almost only seen in proprietary apps.
I’ve paid for a bunch of Foss and non-foss applications through the years but never for the “remove ads” model. JuiceSSH is one such example. The base app was so useful that I knew I had to get the additional functionalities and paid a fair amount for them.
Fair enough. Getting some extra features (premium, if you will) would’ve been nice. But the app is still in beta, maybe in future updates the cheapest “tier” can get some. Also, as an “early buyer” I’m aware that I’m basically paying to support the dev, because the app is still incomplete.
I found out about Lemmy BECAUSE of Sync. I’m a huge FOSS supporter but that doesn’t mean I’ll trash anything that isn’t open source.
Much more importantly, I’d really like to see Lemmy succeed against data mining trash like Reddit. Let’s not dissuade potential converts coming over from Reddit with this gatekeeping nonsense. These manipulative parasitic social media companies are the real enemy here. Sync is one guy making one app with a one time purchase. Everyone is still welcome to use open source apps, the website or any other means of accessing the community. Sync is not your enemy.
I had heard of lemmy in the days before the reddit blackout, but only when ljdawson said he was considering building sync for lemmy, did I actually join up.
I tried other clients before sync was actually out, and voyager is pretty good - but sync feels like home.
It bothers me a lot. Also considering OP and the ones with the same thoughts are using lemmy instead of reddit but still support fucking sync, i realize all of them are hypocrite or just stupid.
We are using lemmy, because its foss, because it doesnt commercialize anything, because its decentralized; if thats not the case for you just use reddit, there is a lot more content over there.
Sync is making money over fediverse, closed source, and collects data. So now, can you see the point?
This is not a proprietary app (in the first party terms, it’s still a 3rd party app)
Yes Okay I get it, yes it’s proprietary, but I’m saying everyone was gleefully using proprietary 3rd party apps on Reddit, Apollo was proprietary, RIF was proprietary, proprietary was not forced on anyone. 1st party apps were forced on us all.
This is literally one of the apps Reddit killed off
I think the comment you’re replying to is not talking about late Reddit refugees but early FOSS enthusiast that were on Lemmy before. You’re missing the point.
The Lemmy protocol is open source and you’re free to use an open source solution. You’re free to use sync for Lemmy in much the same way you can run a Spotify client in Linux. One does not destroy the other.
Yeah yeah, but OP made a post about it so I thought I’d add some of the reasoning behind people being that way. I don’t care what app people use as long as I can use the one I like.
literally no one is forgetting about that - And the great thing about Lemmy is that no one will ever be forced to use an app they don’t want to use, whether it be closed source or open source.
What OP is (rightly) complaining about, is the huge amount of holier-than-thou rhetoric that’s plastered all over the front page of Lemmy right now giving users shit for wanting to use a closed source app.
I love FOSS, I’m typing this comment on a linux desktop right this moment (arch, btw) - but sometimes the best tool for a job (by my own completely subjective opinion) is a closed source tool. Using a closed source app to access an open source system isn’t a betrayal of that open source system.
If you personally don’t want to use a closed source solution, or if you specifically think that Sync is a bad solution for any number of possible reasons, then you’re free to continue using open source solutions, I really don’t see why so many people care so much about what apps other people are using, Sync existing doesn’t take anything away from open source solutions (except maybe users, but again - you can’t force people to use your software)
the huge amount of holier-than-thou rhetoric that’s plastered all over the front page of Lemmy right now
All I’m seeing in the all frontpage is people glorifying Sync while belittling other apps and complaining about those complainers, Like dude, I have the sync community blocked because while I like that it exists, I don’t want to be force feed with that content, and now I still am because it’s being discussed in other communities.
What’s annoying is the way some people talk about the app, stating that it’s the objective best app ever, like zealots. I don’t give two flying fucks about the price but I swear that the alleged complaints of FOSS users may be in part because of the attitude of other users.
Please link me a single post other than this one that glorifies sync while belittling FOSS apps (not that this one belittles Foss apps in the slightest) - preferably with more than a dozen upvotes
Because I posted a screenshot in this thread with five of the top 10 posts on my front page being the exact opposite, and I really don’t believe you when you say that you’re being spammed with “sync zealots”
People like Sync, but it’s the haters that are being spammy and obnoxious about it, not it’s users
I've somewhat mastered how to use it and became a power user. I'm happy about this, I've developed a sense of superiority over those who don't use it, and will now promote it constantly to others like a goddamn cult. My SO has left me and my family has disowned me, but I don't care, they are too ignorant to be as enlightened as I am.
(A decade or two later) I don't even give a fuck anymore what somebody uses, this still works for me, and what works for you, works for you. Let's just all coexist. OS and app development models don't mean shit, common standards and protocols between them do. As long as I, a Linux user, can email a PNG to a Mac user and they can open it, we're good.
It's been like this since the mid-90s. Most of the people who are being annoying about it are in stage 2.
Thank you. Exactly what is happening and why I’m so exhausted. Feels like the stupid Mac vs Windows debates back in the day, with the even more annoying Linux users.
I have the (perhaps irrational) fear that sitting too comfortably in stage 3 leads to the kind of complacency that allows things like Web Environment Integrity to escape the “shower thought” phase.
On principle I believe that people shouldn’t feel forced to restrict themselves to FOSS - I use Steam and barely ever pirate games (ignore my Lemmy instance I guess); however, I think people should put some effort in understanding the consequences of always choosing the path of least resistance, at the very least.
That’s not an issue with FOSS vs proprietary, but with large corporations needing to be broken up.
FOSS isn’t immune to that, its a known thing that large corporations can use their dominance of a market segment to infiltrate even totally open standards and make demands with the threat of leaving the standard (and therefore resigning it to becoming irrelevant).
This is especially true of web standards. Chromium is FOSS, yet Google can use its absolute dominance in the market place to force through changes to things like HTTP standards (also FOSS). My understanding is Microsoft and Google both have strong-armed stuff into C++ in the past as well
I’m at 3 and it’s been quite annoying all these posts about people pushing Sync glory, saying that every other app is basically a buggy garbage (I’m exaggerating). Like, dude, I enjoy the other apps and I am not having bugs, can you enjoy your app without belittling others? Thanks?
Maybe the reason some people are pissy with Sync is because even with their community blocked it’s bloody everywhere on the all feed. Like guys I get it you like it but pls stop.
So it’s just growing up and becoming a more mature person? Don’t think that applies specifically to FOSS enthusiasts. The same could be said about coffee hobbyists, for example.
I prefer my version of stage 3: I still care about software freedom and advocate for it (as well as related issues like interoperability, privacy, and right to repair) but without being an obnoxious fanboy for “Linux” or talking down to people who still use non-free technology for whatever reason.
Simply caring about an issue doesn’t make one a cultist or zealot, and not caring about anything does not make one enlightened.
Jerboa wouldn’t let me save any posts or comments. Other than that it worked great. I’m using sync now as I had the sync for Reddit back in the day and love it.
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