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Cyberpunk runs 30% faster on linux than on windows 11

The YouTube channel “Maximum Fury” conducted a technical test of the new Cyberpunk add-on called “Phantom Liberty” on an older AMD hardware system, testing it separately on Linux and Windows 11. The Linux system, specifically the Fedora distribution called Nobara, performed significantly better, delivering 31% more frames compared to Windows 11.

The hardware used for testing included an Asrock B550 motherboard with an AMD Ryzen 5 5600 CPU and an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT GPU from the first RDNA generation, along with 16 GB of DDR4 RAM. The CPU, RAM, and GPU were overclocked, and the system utilized undervolting to save energy costs.

When testing the game at 1080p resolution with high textures, the Linux system achieved an average of 63.72 frames per second (fps), while Windows 11 managed only 48.55 fps. This suggests that the game should run noticeably smoother on the Linux system.

S1lencioz ,
@S1lencioz@shelter.moe avatar

@cron Oh wait what is feddit a alternative network federated or just a alternative reddit client ?

cron OP ,

Just another lemmy instance. Due to the similarity with reddit, many lemmy instances are called feddit, e.g. feddit.de, feddit.co.uk and feddit.se

Illecors ,

There’s no such thing as magic. Some computation is absolutely getting skipped.

apt_install_coffee ,

Sure, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing; if the Linux version is missing useful output that would be bad, but if the DX to Vulkan translation ironed out a performance regression, or the scheduler works better in this scenario, or filesystem access had issues with NTFS it could also cause performance differences in Linux favour.

Illecors ,

I guess I agree, but because the title felt a lot like a youtube channel clickbait promo, I bit. In an opposite way.

flakusha ,

NTFS is pretty outdated, btw

naeap ,
@naeap@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yeah, that’s usually called optimization ;⁠-⁠)

Also don’t know how much stuff runs in the background on W11, maybe there is now more stuff needing memory and CPU time

Illecors ,

No, that is not what optimisation is.

naeap ,
@naeap@sopuli.xyz avatar

Was meant with tongue in cheek - at least that was meant with the smiley

But still, could very much think of some hungry background processes. I’m just guessing, as I don’t run Win11 anywhere

flambonkscious ,

… Is probably defender

BallsInTheShredder ,

Haha, what a crazy coincidence! I had the original cyberpunk last year on windows 10. It was glitchy as hell but ran semi decent on my hardware.

Deleted it, and last night just installed phantom liberty.

Ngl, the gameplay and feel is so far 10x better than it was before the update. It’s actually complete now and if you hated it before I’d honestly recommend another try as so far I’m actually sort of enjoying the gameplay whereas I hated it before and only played for the story.

Anyway, my issue is that with all of the updates it’s not running anywhere near as nice as it was before. I’m having to run it on the lowest resolution with every graphic option disabled which stinks because with the gameplay being fixed somewhat I’d really like to enjoy it graphically as well.

I’ve installed Ubuntu dual boot on my ssd before and can do that again but any tips? I wouldn’t know about where to even get phantom liberty on fedora or how to install it?

asexualchangeling ,

What did you play it on before? If steam you just have to change a dropdown and it should just work

If gog or something else you should just add it to steam as a non steam game and change a drop down and it should just work

BallsInTheShredder ,

I can definitely add it to steam as a non steam game but which drop-down? Would be awesome if this worked, thank you!

Oh and I played it exactly how I’m playing it now but not on steam, heck idk I just have a cyberpunk icon I click to open it on win11, I don’t open it with steam or anything but will try for the dropdown

asexualchangeling ,

In the games properties under compatibility first you click a check box that says “force the use of a specific steam play compatibility tool” and then in the drop down below that select proton experimental

BallsInTheShredder ,

Oh! You’re talking about getting it to work on Linux sorry I was so confused. So I can use the same cyberpunk setup.exe on Linux or do I have to download a different one? This is great news didn’t realize it would be so simple

asexualchangeling ,

Yes, you can use windows installers on linux, Lutris and bottles provide different UIs for that, some prefer one or the other

There’s also heroic launcher (even for windows iirc) for an alternate launcher for Epic games (amung others)

Personally what I tend to do is use one of those for installation, and run it through steam to play it, there are other ways, but I like the Steam UI and controller customization

Also if you are considering fedora and you want to try it for gaming, I just want to recommend nobara, it’s basically Fedora just with some modifications for gaming

asexualchangeling ,

It occurs to me that if you aren’t installing it through steam it might be slightly more effort becouse you can’t use a windows installer without something to run the .exe, steam should work for that too, but so would something like bottles or Lutris

BallsInTheShredder ,

Not sure we’re on the same page, I have installed it and it runs, just not as smoothly as it did before.

But you’re talking about something having to run in the background to emulate steam since I’ve installed from elsewhere, correct?

How could I use bottles or lutris?

asexualchangeling ,

I wasn’t sure how you were installing it, if you were using something like a gog installer lutris for example could handle the installation for you, but sense you have it installed that’s irrelevant

steam runs natively on linux though so no you wouldn’t have to emulate it or anything

Without knowing more I’m not sure about the prefomance though, and I’m not an expert, but if you are dual booting it might have something to do with the file system you are using, I’ve not messed with dual booting before so I can’t be sure, and I wouldn’t know how to fix it either

BallsInTheShredder ,

I’m sorry, I’ve been confusing myself in the comments haha thought you were advising about how to get the windows version to run better now realize we’re on Linux sorry!

So lutris is for running windows .exe on Linux! Good to know, and no I’m not dual booting yet just windows 11 just considering install Ubuntu/fedora or something to dual boot with and running cyberpunk from it instead of win11, or just going back to win10 and seeing if it helps

hperrin ,

That may be true, but that’s only because Linux is better than Windows.

greyjedi ,

What are the chances that it’s just not rendering something due to the DX12 to Vulkan translation?

rush ,

It won’t just not render something. DXVK is already a finished thing in that regard. Complete enough that Intel uses it for legacy DirectX support in their ARC GPUs even.

MooseBoys ,

It’s entirely possible that the translation layer will alter timing to expose a race condition such that something doesn’t render.

Hero ,

DXVK doesn’t support DX12 and wouldn’t be used here.

rush ,

For that Theres VKD3D :P

Also, I specifically said legacy DirectX because the support DX11 and DX12 natively.

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

But that’s not exactly relevant.
DXVK 2.2 added D3D11On12 which could probably then be used by VKD3D or D3D12 so I suppose it does support DX12 indirectly.
However DXVK itself doesn’t support DX12 native games like Cyberpunk 2077.

Rustmilian ,
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

Possible, but looking through the footage it seems everything is being rendered as expected.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

definitely believable

16gb ddr3 ram

ten year old i5

rx580 8gb

arch linux gnome desktop

standard prebuilt dell pc

have two of these machines built and operating in the house both are able to play modern games including Hogwarts Legacy low settings at 60fps no ray tracing

some games run fine with medium or high

some games such as Hogwarts Legacy and Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered require a per game specialized wine wrapper script that is usually already made by an awesome entity unless you go through the steam launcher and then it just plays like a steam deck

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Deck

“Steam Deck runs SteamOS version 3, based on the Arch Linux operating system. While SteamOS had been previously developed for Steam Machines using Debian Linux, Valve stated that they wanted to use a rolling upgrade approach for the Deck’s system software, a function Debian was not designed for but was a feature of Arch Linux. An application programming interface (API) specific for the Steam Deck is available to game developers, allowing a game to specify certain settings if it is being run on a Steam Deck compared to a normal computer. Within the Steam storefront, developers can populate a special file depot for their game with lower-resolution textures and other reduced elements to allow their game to perform better on the Steam Deck; Steam automatically detects and downloads the appropriate files for the system (whether on a computer or Steam Deck) when the user installs the game”

JoMiran ,

Even Valve can’t help but tell everyone that they run Arch.

nosurprises ,

It’s the highest bliss. You want everyone to reach it and be happy.

BeardedGingerWonder ,

I didn’t read the manual, okay, there I said it, I didn’t read the fucking manual.

deanne ,
@deanne@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

well, unfortunately i have the opposite but it’s not too bad. high settings with motion blur etc.,fsr disabled but with chromatic aberration on i get like 10fps less than windows gtx 1660 ti and ryzen 5 3600 prolly a nvidia issue

gothicdecadence ,

Chromatic aberration drops my fps too, on windows 10

deanne ,
@deanne@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

i should’ve rephrased that,normally the high preset disables chromatic aberration, i enable it and i use the same settings on both operating systems

arin ,

Chromatic aberration is so bad, it’s trying to imitate bad lenses in a camera instead of our eyes which are so fine tuned that we don’t really have it(unless you need glasses lenses)

jannem ,
@jannem@fosstodon.org avatar

@arin @gothicdecadence
Hate to tell you, but eyes have chromatic aberration. They have lots of optical faults. They're really pretty crappy, but our visual system learn to filter out and ignore it.

arin ,

Not true, when i have glasses on i see the chromatic aberration, but not when i take them off. The game exaggerates CR like old cameras where newer high quality lenses on cameras don’t have such bad CR mimicked by the game.

jannem ,
@jannem@fosstodon.org avatar

@arin You see the chromatic aberration from your glasses. You don't see the aberration from your eyes, same as you don't see the blind spot or the yellow spot, or notice that your peripheral vision is in black and white only.

arin ,

Nice, next game should have black/white peripheral zones

sounddrill ,

Casual vulkan W?

MonkderZweite ,

By the way, the “rendering at lower resolution and upscaling” thingy, is there a way to force AMD’s version on any game in Linux? I want to play Satisfactory and got a 5700G, fat iGPU but only 2GB VRAM.

cron OP ,

Forcing FSR1 is possible (and was even possible before it was on Windows), FSR2 is not.

MonkderZweite ,

Thanks! FSR it is. Saved.

Klaymore ,
@Klaymore@sh.itjust.works avatar

You can use Gamescope or I think Proton/DXVK has FSR1 support as well

Mindlight ,

It’s a well known fact that every second major release of Windows is crap.

  • Windows 95 was not the best.
  • Windows 95OSR2 was the one you wanted.
  • Windows 98 sucked.
  • Windows 98 2nd ed. worked as the former should have.
  • Windows 2000 was great but had no support for running games.
  • XP solved that and made people leave Windows 98 (I deliberately left out the clusterf… Windows ME.).
  • Windows Vista sucked balls.
  • Windows 7 was what Vista should have been.
  • Windows 8? Metro on phones, yes! On desktop? No no no.
  • Windows 10 got Microsoft back on track again.

I thought the new upgrade scheme (2 editions per year) Microsoft introduced with Windows 10 would be like “every second release will suck” but it started to look like Microsoft were able to break the curse…

…and then Windows 11 happened.

Heavybell ,
@Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

I ran 2000 back in the day and didn’t really have any problems with it. IMO it breaks the pattern somewhat. XP was better, of course, but 2000 was a good OS.

Mindlight ,

W2k was awesome. Great stability. However, the legacy from Windows NT meant that applications had no direct access to hardware which games of that time required.

That was a showstopper for most users outside the enterprise world.

Heavybell ,
@Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

I am not gonna disagree with you, but I remember playing half-life on it with no problems. Of course, you couldn’t play DOS games on it, if that’s what you mean.

Bulletdust ,

I still game using Windows 2000 on a Pentium 3 Tualatin based system.

All my retro games run no problem, Tiberian Sun is the shite.

spudwart ,

casusally skipping millenium edition because most people opted to buy windows 2000, the enterprise server os instead.

Windows 2000 couldn’t run games because it was based on Windows NT and the NT Kernel. ME was still based on DOS. XP frankensteined the NT Kernel and DOS to somehow make the most stable, longest running and best windows ever.

And 20 years later they’re bleeding marketshare.

Aceticon ,

Windows 2000 could run games (I should know: I kept being a gamer whilst using it for years) but in the early days with so many games designed for DOS that required direct low level access it was a problem. If I remember it correct one had to boot in DOS mode for those.

Eventually with DirectX that stopped being a problem (plus, again if I remember it correctly, OpenGL also became compatible with it).

systemglitch ,

You know what? I never had issues with ME, it actually worked quite well for what I did, which was a lot of gaming.

NBJack ,

Windows 11 is trash. Microsoft kept boasting it was “faster” than 10, but it is (unsurprisingly?) heavy in some weird areas, including a less snappy start menu, more telemetry, invasive integration with their software, you name it. Tried one machine in my collection to try it via an upgrade (a Microsoft Surface Pro 6), and the performance was so bad I ended up going back to Windows 10. Multi-second lag just to get to the program shortcuts is a really bad sign.

BallsInTheShredder ,

Damn, you know what? I actually sort of liked windows 11 when I had it on an empty SSD but now that I’ve added all my software I’ve noticed it’s much less snappy than win10 was.

Now I’m thinking of down(upgrading) back to windows 10 but Feel like it’s going to be a hassle. I’m not as tech savvy as I used to be and can’t even recall how to go back to win10 without just installing it fresh

clanginator ,

Strange, I’ve had the opposite experience. I remember early on 11 was really bad and buggy in general so I waited to move my main install, but it’s been fantastic for me on laptop and desktop.

Granted, I’m very particular about my Windows installs and know how to clean everything up pretty well, so I have no idea how out of box experience compares, but at least with how I use it, 11 has been fantastic, performance has been much more consistent, I don’t need to reboot as often, and it lasted way longer before I felt the need for a fresh install than any of my 10 installations.

I still have certain things I’m not able to entirely fix that bug me (still searching for a way to remove the stupid Office 365 ad from the settings homepage) that weren’t in Windows 10, but the settings in 11 are overall SO much better, window snapping is way better, explorer is way better, HDR support is way better, multi-monitor support is better, default apps in general are better, it’s becoming easier to remove built-in apps you don’t want, and just a whole bunch of small QOL changes and updated, more consistent styling, it’s just a much nicer OS to use at this point.

If you haven’t tried it yet, Tiny11 23H2 just came out, and while there’s still some stuff I fixed after installation, it does an excellent job of trimming most of the fat off Win11 without sacrificing usability. You can use Windows update like normal (and you’ll have to update after install) but it may be worth another try if you haven’t tried 11 recently. IMO it’s a really nice upgrade over 10 if you can fix all the little annoyances like the new right-click and such. (BloatyNosy on GitHub is what I use post-install, in addition to a few powershell commands and such)

NBJack ,

I don’t doubt you cleaned up it up well. But you are the exception rather than the rule for experiencing Windows 11.

The absolute shitfest that is the incessant integration with Bing and other online only tech is the biggest problem. If you have muscle memory like I do to start button + type keyword for a program + enter, it is unbearably slow to respond at times for the search to catch up. Or my new favorite, getting ready to hit enter, only to have it change the current selection right before.

And this is to say nothing of the critical settings you can no longer directly control or are just broken. Want to change the power profile of your laptop? Buried. Want to get an estimate on your battery time remaining? Better open the registry. Want to switch your background? Well, roll the dice on that high resolution PNG you just created; unlike 10, 11 fails on some backgrounds of certain filetypes if they’re over a certain size (try a detailed PNG over 3000x4000). Just want a plain old Documents directory that isn’t integrated with OneDrive? Happy hunting; turning it off ain’t enough anymore.

munroe ,
@munroe@dice.camp avatar

@cron
I couldn't get the link to work--I get a server error--but I was able to look at the video on YouTube, so this might be useful to others with the same issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsWrGRVMDXg

Edit: I did get the link to work one out of five times. I guess the site is just congested? I don't know. But anyway, there's a link to the YouTube video directly anyway.

euphoric_cat ,
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    SailorMoss ,

    Were you using the same distro?

    euphoric_cat ,
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    zingo ,

    Btw!

    Jax ,

    Bls answer sailormoss

    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

    I had very similar results with pop os and windows 10 on an Nvidia card

    wreleven ,
    @wreleven@lemmy.ca avatar

    Thanks Stadia. No wonder it performed so well.

    alekwithak ,

    I miss it :'(

    citrusface ,

    Me too…

    Lojcs ,

    5600

    “Older”

    agent_flounder ,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.one avatar

    Ha that hit hard. This is basically the system I just upgraded to. Well at least it’ll run the game well.

    Lutz69 ,

    It’s the exact same system I upgraded to a couple months ago except I got 5700 x3d. This system slaps bro I love it.

    Schmuppes ,

    I was thinking “Let it be Vega. I might give that shitty game a second chance.”

    ______ ,

    There isn’t a single piece of software that I use that makes me think I should upgrade my 5600. Not a single game fully utilizes it (on 1440p res)

    Older hardware is fine.

    Pantrygheist ,

    Me with my i7 2600 playing with oblivion level graphics: yeah, older hw is just fine

    ______ ,

    I mean… is that what you want ?

    jerkface ,
    @jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

    cries in .blend

    i_am_hiding ,

    Don’t mind me and my ThinkPad X220.

    Modern computers cost too damn much

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