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How to quit VIM?

First of all. This is not another “how do I exit vim?” shitpost.

I’ve been using (neo)vim for about two years and I started to notice, that I,m basically unable to use non-vim editors. I do not code a lot, but I write a lot of markown. I’d like to use dedicated tools for this, but their vim emulators are so bad. So I’m now stuck with my customized neovim, devoid of any hope of abandoning this strange addiction.

Any help or advice?

propter_hog ,
@propter_hog@hexbear.net avatar

Learn emacs

theshatterstone54 ,

No joke, Emacs has the ability to render in line markdown, essentially the current line is just text, while the rest of the doc is rendered as markdown titles, links, lists, etc. It’s my favourite way of editing markdown but I’ve never found another editor that does markdown like that. Everything else has text and rendered markdown side by side as separate panes, which I personally hate.

Edit: I stand corrected. Neovim has it too: github.com/…/render-markdown.nvim

lord_ryvan ,

Sounds like what Obsidian and Logseq do? Awesome!

Bitrot ,
@Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Marktext is another. Pretty lightweight and more permissive license than Obsidian.

rien333 ,

No joke, Emacs has the ability to render in line markdown, essentially the current line is just text, while the rest of the doc is rendered as markdown titles, links, lists, etc.

This sounds amazing. I’ve been using markdown-mode for ages now though, and I’ve never come across this feature.

How do you enable this?

Telorand ,

Agreed. Start here.

gomp ,

LOL you made my day :) “emacs is a part time job”

crony ,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

Why would you wanna quit if vim works for you?

Plus vim can be an amazing markdown editor with a few dedicated plugins.

brisk ,

What plugins can you recommend?

I think the only markdown plugin I’ve used was for table alignment.

crony ,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

Mkdnflow is the one that I used to use and it does so many things amazingly for writting markdown easier

github.com/jakewvincent/mkdnflow.nvim

lemmur OP ,

I’ll check it out. Right now my wiki workflow consists of homemade scripts, which have some sharp corners.

lemmur OP ,

Yes, it is amazing, but some things ( like md tables or writing katex eqations) are handled rough. And I still sometimes need to use something other than vim and then life gets hard.

crony ,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

That’s why for tables and katex equations I used plugins to help me with then to not be rough.

As for other stuff than vim, minimize the nees for them if it really gets hard.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

As for other stuff than vim, minimize the nees for them if it really gets hard.

Your vim obsession is looking kinda unhealthy at this point.

crony ,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

I just prefer the vim bindings and motions, not an obsession. I use diff tools almost daily and can manage in them with no issues, but whenever I can use vim binding I will because they just feel better to me.

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Idk, mister/miss. Your comment was pretty concerning.

crony ,
@crony@lemmy.cronyakatsuki.xyz avatar

I was talking for the op in that part tho, it can be seen from the context

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Then I don’t think it’s a good advice. It’s literally the opposite of what the OP asked.

tuhriel ,

Also, some tools have plugins to provide vim controls for them.

I know at least and use these:

There are probably more…

GolfNovemberUniform ,
@GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml avatar

Switch to GUI editors with Word-like navigation. You will struggle but eventually your vim habits will fade away and then you will be able to use any editor with slightly various levels of performance.

thingsiplay ,

Why do you want stop using Vim in the first place? That would be a good information to have, to give help. What dedicated tools do you mean? What do they offer that you miss in Vim? If you just hate Vim and want stop using it no matter what, the only solution is to uninstall it, to not fall into those habits of using it everywhere. Over time you should get used to those other editors and tools.

utopiah ,

The trick is do the opposite, namely bring vim everywhere, e.g using Tridactyl you can bring some behaviors to the browser and, in this very textarea from lemmy, if I press Ctrl+i I get gvim, when I exit it, the content is back in the textarea and I can reply. Vim everywhere.

SuperFola ,
@SuperFola@programming.dev avatar

You could consider markdown extensions that helps you write and visualize!

Like this one: github.com/…/render-markdown.nvim

mathemachristian ,

The answer is of course another editor: doomemacs

fin ,

Get a thinkpad or a keyboard with a trackpoint. Your life gets a little bit better.

oscardejarjayes ,
@oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net avatar

Make a plugin to a non-vim editor that properly emulates the vim experience, with the non-vim GUI.

Or, if that doesn’t work well enough, fork them.

Failing that, you could just accept your fate. I love my neovim install.

Findmysec ,

Use doom emacs

astro_ray ,

I don't know understand why you need markdown, but if you are so used to vim motions why not switch to latex instead. You wouldn't have to worry about katex support as well. This is an advice solely based on your need for katex support without understanding your needs.

geneva_convenience ,

Some IDE’s have a VIM mode.

atzanteol ,

This is what I do. The IDEA tools (InteliJ, PyCharm, etc.) have pretty good vim support.

space_comrade , (edited )

Just switch to VSCode or something similar, it has enough features and shortcuts that will quickly make you like at least 80% as productive as you were in Vim. It even has a Vim mode so you can wean yourself off of it more easily.

Honestly never got the appeal of Vim, you need to spend so much time learning and configuring it only to squeeze out a little bit of extra productivity out of it when compared to a “normal” editor/IDE. I don’t see why it’s so important to be able to edit and write code as quickly as possible since most of the time you’re going to be debugging or looking at the code or reading docs.

EDIT: Just noticed you said you don’t code a lot. I think most of what I said still applies, I imagine you don’t spend 99% of the time in the editor typing away.

beejjorgensen ,
@beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I haven’t measured it, but I can tell I’m noticably slower on standard editors than Vim.

roux ,
@roux@hexbear.net avatar

I used to use Sublime for notes and then VSCode and those types of text editors work just fine for non code stuff imo. VSCode even has syntax highlighting for Markdown so could be a plus for OP.

Andrzej ,

The thing is, it’s fun

just_another_person ,

Trying using Nano for absolutely EVERYTHING for a few weeks. That’ll help.

ReveredOxygen ,
@ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works avatar

Personally, the only thing that would help me for is if I wanted to kill myself

LordCrom ,

Nano works just fine for me

just_another_person ,

I have no issues with it. It’s Kryptonite to the nonsensical world of VI(m) users though.

sovietknuckles ,
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