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possiblylinux127 , (edited )

Repost but still cool

Also I am surprised at how many sponsors there are and how many industries are represented. The project isn’t that old

dataprolet ,
@dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The devs have some problematic views, mainly transphobic and misogynistic.

data1701d ,
@data1701d@startrek.website avatar

Also, the use of AI-generated images on their website.

anindefinitearticle ,

Sauce?

Bitrot ,

Lunduke is an ass, but I don’t think he’s wrong in this case. Typical internet bandwagoning: …locals.com/…/ladybird-web-browser-developer-atta…

TechnicallyColors ,

From last time. TL;DR real weird vibes. This is a PR where you say “oops, that makes sense”, click merge, and go on living your life. Not whatever this ended up being.

LeFantome ,

Where do you guys get the energy to keep up these smear campaigns?

Aatube ,

Sounds fun, but I wish there were more people who'd invest in making Firefox's Gecko more easy to use (stretch goal: revive Proton, which is Electron but Firefox) instead of pushing a ton of effort into inventing a new thing.

That said, this is coming from SerenityOS (specifically, the founder and basically the entire community concentrating on building its browser instead of hacking the OS, resulting in a split), so I understand that it might be a lot harder to port large codebases to a new OS instead of than starting a new one.

dsilverz ,
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It’s interesting to see a new browser engine aside from Gecko and Chromium, especially with all the conundrum surrounding the Manifest v2 support.

possiblylinux127 ,

I want manifest 3.2

Asudox ,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

It’s nice and all but usage of Swift is kind of not great.

BaumGeist OP ,

Why is Swift bad?

Also, I noticed the project has taken donations from mostly non-foss companies. Let’s hope they stand by their principles

Asudox ,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

Welp, I haven’t seen anyone learn Swift other than for Apple stuff these days. So I wonder how many can actually contribute to the code. It’s also made by Apple, so yeah. It would have been more performant and secure (both of which are pretty important in a browser) if it was written in a more low level language. For example Rust.

LeFantome ,

It is currently written in C++. They are looking to switch to Swift.

They looked into Rust but decided that GUI work was a pain and that they wanted something more object-oriented.

mostlikelyaperson ,

“More performant” citation needed. Very well written Rust might be extremely fast, yes, but Rust is also a hard language to get right. Swift is far from a slow language and I would not be surprised if the average rust programmer barely if at all manages to beat out the average swift programmer in terms of speed. As for the amount of programmers interested, hard to tell, but given the sheer amount of Swift devs I’d not be surprised if there were quite a few interested ones and I am unconvinced Rust programmers are statistically more likely to be interested in Browser development.

TerkErJerbs , (edited )

Shopify (i.e. Shittify) being their top donor already has me looking sideways at this project. They’ll invest in anything they think they can get an edge with and if something starts to happen they’ll fuck it up and wallstreet-ify it as fast as possible if they can.

Their (Shopify’s) guru founder Tobi made a huge NFT play that went absolutely nowhere while I still worked there. They spent a lot of time and money on it, right before they laid several thousand people off.

Asudox ,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

Oh great. Now I’m losing hope in this project even more.

TerkErJerbs ,

I mean I hope Ladybird devs do a great build and go their own way without being corrupted by their donors and all that, don’t get me wrong. But whenever I see that dumb shopping bag logo I get the no feelings.

You can also read up on how the vast majority of Mozilla’s funding has been coming from Google for a very long time, and draw your own conclusions from that fact.

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    TerkErJerbs ,

    You may have misunderstood. It was Shopify who did the big NFT play on their platform. I don’t know much about the Ladybird team, I’m not trying to throw shade on them.

    ProgrammingSocks ,

    Gotcha

    SpeakinTelnet ,
    @SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works avatar

    While I agree shopify has a kind of “mierda touch”, I still see it as if it goes sideways with them someone will just fork the code.

    TerkErJerbs ,

    True

    Aatube ,

    I agree that it's not ideal, but hey, it's open source, and the Louis Rossmann cult is the only other top-tier donor, so I'm sure they'll be fine.

    NegativeInf ,

    Shoulda built it in Julia.

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