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JustMarkov ,

four programs to make Linux boot media

Or you can use one Ventoy to make a boot media with four Linux ISOs.

atomkarinca ,

wow, really wow.

i saw veronica talk about ventoy weirdos on mastodon, and here you are.

Telorand ,

Also, Ventoy doesn’t work on all hardware. Meanwhile, the typical options work just fine.

blitzed ,
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@Telorand @atomkarinca

Works for me on Lenovo ThinkCentre M720q's I've sniped used & stacked.

Although I gotta force text mode in Ventoy menu options, otherwise some distro ISO's boot into scrambled graphics, suppose I should bother to RTFM sometime.

I've yet to try Ventoy on an external NVMe case I pieced together recently, and on my wife's newer laptop.

Telorand ,

I don’t mean to be rude, but great? Didn’t work for me on all my hardware, even using a Windows ISO. I pointed out my personal experience, because it’s not the panacea its proponents would have everyone believe.

I would certainly never use it to install anything, after my experiences with it. If it can’t get opening ISOs right, I don’t need a surprise that my install is fucked up.

JustMarkov , (edited )

Ventoy weirdos? Ventoy is just a solid and convenient program to create live usbs. What’s the problem with it?

atomkarinca ,

because this video is a beginners guide and ventoy is irrelevant for that topic, yet here you are still talking about it.

JustMarkov ,

No, it is. How could it be simplier? Install Ventoy and then just drag 'n drop your ISOs to usb drive. Why Rufus is beginner friendly and Ventoy is not?

rockSlayer ,

Only 4? Those are rookie numbers

AlligatorBlizzard ,

Found the Ventoy bro /s

blitzed ,
@blitzed@noauthority.social avatar

@AlligatorBlizzard @JustMarkov

Only FOUR ISO's?

I forget the number, but I maxed out a 32GB flash drive with an absurd amount of ISO's LOL

Wowzerz, this new external NVMe I need to format, how many ISO's can I shoehorn onto 1TB, and the boot speeds will probably blow my mind \0/

otter ,

What are some recommendations for putting Ventoy on your main USB (with other contents instead of just ISOs)? I need to find the guide I saw, it mentioned some configurations to prevent it from searching every directory for ISOs

Also the linked website can be subscribed to from here :)

!veronicaexplains

JustMarkov , (edited )

www.ventoy.net/en/doc_search_path.html

tl;dr: create a .ventoyignore file inside the folder you want Ventoy not to scan.

mle86 ,

Alternatively when creating the ventoy installation you can chose to leave X amount of space behind the ventoy partition and then create your own data partition there afterwards. You lose the advantage of “dynamically” sharing the available space between ventoy and your data, but with the seperqte partition you can use whatever filesystem you like for your data, and there is a clear seperation between ventoy and your other data.

Drusenija ,

I have Ventoy on a USB stick, tried to use it recently for DBAN and it didn’t work, is there any way to get around that these days? Haven’t looked into it recently.

TheFool ,
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I really don’t get why I should use anything else than dd

julianh ,

Fear?

TheFool ,
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jaxiiruff ,

Not everyone likes to use commands for something as trivial as this, its nice to press a couple buttons and wait for it to be done vs learning how dd works and what arguments to use etc.

foudinfo ,

My favorite way to create a boot media is simply to use cat. No arguments, no shenanigans just a cat into the device :

cat debian.iso > /dev/sda

neodc ,
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Replace cat with pv to get a progress bar for free

Ghoelian ,

iirc there was a reason you should use dd instead of directly copying the data, I think something to do with device block alignment or something?

lord_ryvan ,

Not everyone likes to install compicated graphical software which does a thousand and one things it shouldn’t do just to copy files to an external drive

funbreaker ,
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I like Ventoy because I'm an ISO hoarder but if the task needs a dedicated USB, then I'll open Etcher.

theshatterstone54 ,

I don’t… understand… the downvotes. I do the same thing though I never really get to the Balena Etcher part. Also, Ventoy is the only way to get a Windows ISO up and running from Linux, as far as I know.

lord_ryvan ,

The down votes are from the Etcher part, it has a cult of lovers and a cult of haters.

I’m l fine with people using Etcher, Rufus, or whatever works for them, but I’m aware that both software I just named has passionate haters.

Thrickles ,

Great suggestions. The Ventoy bros are weird. Just use what works for you.

oo1 ,

dd

qjkxbmwvz ,

Also a super useful tool for measuring real world bandwidth, both on physical media and over the network ( dd status=progress … | nc …).

BCsven ,

Nice thing about GNOME DE is it comes with Gnome Disks. Select device, click the restore image button and point to the ISO

Ziglin ,

Or you could just install it on any other system with Wayland or x11.

Gparted works fine for me, so that’s what I use.

lord_ryvan ,

I like how simple Mint’s USB image writer makes it for newbies, both to look it up in the menu as well as the simple UI

jaxiiruff ,

Fedora Media Writer is the best, I hardly use BalenaEtcher but its good too incase the former doesnt work

Interstellar_1 ,
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Does it work for any distro other than fedora tho?

jaxiiruff ,

Yeah I wish it had a different name but it works for every distro via flatpak. I like using it that way but im sure it works well as a package for most distros.

possiblylinux127 ,

It even works on Windows

Aatube ,

It's also an old and jumbled-up format paralleling .gif in a surprising amount of ways, including being never intended for its primary usage, still being popular, and newer formats proving much better.

Ghoelian ,

Wait why was iso not intended to be used like this? As far as I can see, it was always meant as a digital image of a CD, which is how it was used, and pretty much still is right?

Aatube ,

Oops, yeah, you're right. I was thinking about the live ISO functionality.

briongloid ,
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I generally use the Raspberry Pi Imager, It works just as well with USB’s as TF cards.

GitHub repo

SexualPolytope ,
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I do use Ventoy, but a more “traditional” alternative that I like is Popsicle. Super lightweight, and works very well. Some cases do require a dedicated USB, where Ventoy won’t work, at least not without trickery (e.g. anything with persistent storage).

TheGrandNagus ,

I don’t burn ISOs often enough to need a dedicated ventoy drive, or to remember how to use the DD command, so Impression is generally what I use. I generally prefer Libadwaita/GTK4 apps that look at home on my system.

ColdWater ,
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I curious because I don’t have the skill to test it myself but can you just manually copy everything to USB it’s just work?

Ghoelian ,

No, the drive needs a boot partition for the bios to know there is something to be booted on the drive.

Most Linux ISO’s do properly include the partitions in the ISO, so you can clone the iso to a drive and that should work, using dd for example. But just copying the files won’t work.

iirc windows iso’s did use to support just creating a fat32 partition and moving all the files over, not sure how they managed that. But now the international ISO for win 11 has a file that’s more than the max 4Gb allowed by fat32, so you can’t do that anymore either.

Telorand ,

No idea if this exists for Linux, but there’s a program for Windows called GuiFormat that allows formatting of larger thumb drives to be fat32.

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