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earth_walker ,
@earth_walker@lemmy.world avatar

In other words, Vaxry is so unwilling to compromise or learn from others that he would rather isolate his project from the broader FOSS community. That says a lot about him and the people who support him, especially since this conflict with freedesktop.org started over Vaxry condoning hateful trolling of trans people within the Hyprland community.

This is a problem for me as a Hyprland user because if I share some rice I made or make suggestions for other users, I’m leading people into a community that may be actively hateful towards them. It utterly extinguishes any enthusiasm I have for the project. I like the software but I’d rather be part of a project and a community that I can feel good and excited about. Maybe time to find a new tiling Wayland compositor.

drspod ,

if I share some rice I made

FYI: rice is derived from a racist pejorative term. A lot of people in the desktop theming community have stopped using it.

forkbomb9 ,

For everyone shitting about Vaxry, I recommend reading both sides of the equation, not only FDO/Drew’s.

e8d79 ,

I read and concluded that Vaxry and his boys club are fascist cunts.

GustavoM ,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

Nice job on not adding nothing relevant other than “(Folks that doesn’t like the same stuff as I do) are (buzzwords).” – you are not better than em.

e8d79 , (edited )

What is there more to add? I literally read both sides arguments and seen the evidence. Hyperlands community is a cesspool. They are extremely hateful against everyone who isn’t an english speaking white straight man and even then you are not safe from their hate. When Vaxry was called out on his communities behaviour the immediate reaction was aggression and once he was banned from FDO he played the victim. This is right out of the fascists playbook.

Whether I am better then them or not was never the question and also requires a criteria to measure against. If ability to be hateful against transpeople is the criteria, then I have to admit I am thoroughly beaten.

Kanedias ,
@Kanedias@lemmy.ml avatar

Vaxry is not English-speaking, I think i read somewhere that they’re from Poland

devraza ,
@devraza@lemmy.ml avatar

Very nice, this comes with a lot of advantages for Hyprland, and I wholeheartedly congratulate Vaxry on separating from the rubbish that is FDO’s management.

Treeniks ,

People keep saying this happened only because vaxry got banned from the FDO, completely forgetting the fact that hyprland has used their own modified fork of wlroots for ages now. They’ve wanted to get away from wlroots even before this whole fiasco, it really just tipped the needle for them to finally pull the trigger.

Mind you also, the ban in no way prevents hyprland from using wlroots still. The only thing the ban did was prevent vaxry from contributing to wlroots upstream, which is damn unfortunate if you ask me.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck Hyprland, its developers, and its asshole community. Context: drewdevault.com/…/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcem…

vikingtons ,
@vikingtons@lemmy.world avatar

Damn, had no idea about this.

oneiros ,

Any recommendations for a Hyprland refugee? Thinking of trying out niri…

billgamesh ,

That looks awesome! Having used fvwm, I’m a fan of the scrollable desktop

kelvie ,

After this news I switched to using KDE with Karousel, an animation plugin, and a rounded corners plugin (kwin scripts).

I also use a command runner plasmoid to somewhat replicate waybar from shell scripts.

tetchey ,

Damn. I only discovered this project a few weeks ago and just started building a config.

Time to yay -Rcs hyprland.

Psyhackological ,
@Psyhackological@lemmy.ml avatar

My opinion: let’s separate the software and the people making it. If it’s great tool and FOSS why not use it? You use software, not people.

thejevans ,
@thejevans@lemmy.ml avatar

Since this change is entirely a result of the bad behavior of the maintainer and would not have happened otherwise, this a perfect example of why we fundamentally cannot separate the work from the people who make it.

Even if you do not agree with the social backlash this person is getting, that backlash has real effects on the work.

I, for one, no longer trust that hyprland will remain a well-maintained piece of software given that the maintainer would rather increase their maintenance burden and diverge from using common tools instead of cooperating with the community.

Badabinski ,

What if you need to file a bug? What if you have a question on the config that's not easily answered by the docs? If you never, ever find bugs and never, ever have questions, then sure, separate the two. There are genuinely people like that, but they're not common. If you're one of them, then I'm genuinely glad for you.

My opinion is this: You use software. You don't use people, but you sure as hell rely on them.

nmtake ,

Please note that many users of FOSS are also developers or contributors. Who wants to report a bug or send a patch if the community is worse?

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

If it’s great tool and FOSS why not use it? You use software, not people.

I didn’t write about its user base, I wrote about its community – the cesspool that engages among each other. That said, the moment someone opens a bug report, there’s a real chance that person gets harassed.

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Would be great, but some people are really strange. Especially bad if you have to let go of the work of some people, because you cant do it on your own.

Stiltonfondu ,

This was a Discord dumpster fire that was thankfully put out months ago.

Hyprland is incredible and hopefully there won’t be any more trouble like this

Burghler ,

I also frequent the discord server often for help with configuring, I have not seen/experienced any of this hatred talked about so much. The worst I’ve seen is bluntness in delivering a solution or just being ignored because I someone didn’t RTFM.

Hyprland is a wonderful piece of technology and I hope it continues to persist.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

This was a Discord dumpster fire that was thankfully put out months ago.

Because Vaxry didn’t like the public backlash, not because he had any moral problems with the conduct. In fact, he doesn’t mind genocide:

https://cdn.fosstodon.org/media_attachments/files/111/363/540/657/156/602/original/02f62df0c03cb8b6.png

Burghler ,

I think he was trying to have a philosophical point here but took the headass approach to it.

20 years ish old, living in Poland, and perma online does things to a man. Weird though to have a take like that when Polish people in particular were significant victims in Auschwitz

Burghler ,

Vaxry (head honcho of hyprland) responds here to Drew’s referenced shoutout. Sharing for completeness sake. blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

And his response to the FreeDesktop stuff. blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat

germanatlas ,
@germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The bread and butter for anyone wanting a TLDR:

The FDO team is right that Hyprland’s community reflects poorly on the Linux desktop community as a whole. Vaxry [the Hyprland Dev] has created a foothold for hate, transphobia, homophobia, bullying, and harassment in the Linux desktop community. We are right to take action to correct this problem.

geoff ,

Well I was going to try Hyprland this weekend, but I think instead I will very much not do that.

I hope someone forks it from a good commit just before they replaced wlroots. I don’t know the specifics of compositor code at all, but I bet It’s going to cost them quite a bit of velocity to maintain their replacement.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Imagine letting yourself get emotional about ghe “asshole community” of a “tiling compositor”.

Anything can get to you if that can.

dannoffs ,
@dannoffs@hexbear.net avatar

Imagine having to rebase your entire project because you’re a piece of shit.

Telorand ,

This is the first I’ve heard of it. What’s the deal?

dannoffs ,
@dannoffs@hexbear.net avatar

Vaxry, the main dev of Hyprland, got banned from all aspects of freedesktop.org for multiple CoC violations.

Telorand ,

Yikes. Thanks for the summary. I’ll look into the details when I’m at my desktop.

cornshark ,

But why?

Badabinski ,

Because Vaxry (the lead dev) got banned from contributing to wlroots or any other FDO projects.

As for why he was banned, this is the only thing I've read about the whole thing: https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcement.html

Basically, he violated the FDO Code of Conduct when being told that a particular thing he said/enabled in a Discord community would not be acceptable if it was seen in spaces covered by said CoC.

This appears to be his response.

deathmetal27 ,

Does this have something to do with the author being banned from freedesktop?

Kanedias ,
@Kanedias@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Neat

ogeist ,

I’ve got a track for that:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUdyuKaGQd4

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