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woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck Hyprland, its developers, and its asshole community. Context: drewdevault.com/…/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcem…

vikingtons ,
@vikingtons@lemmy.world avatar

Damn, had no idea about this.

oneiros ,

Any recommendations for a Hyprland refugee? Thinking of trying out niri…

billgamesh ,

That looks awesome! Having used fvwm, I’m a fan of the scrollable desktop

tetchey ,

Damn. I only discovered this project a few weeks ago and just started building a config.

Time to yay -Rcs hyprland.

Psyhackological ,
@Psyhackological@lemmy.ml avatar

My opinion: let’s separate the software and the people making it. If it’s great tool and FOSS why not use it? You use software, not people.

thejevans ,
@thejevans@lemmy.ml avatar

Since this change is entirely a result of the bad behavior of the maintainer and would not have happened otherwise, this a perfect example of why we fundamentally cannot separate the work from the people who make it.

Even if you do not agree with the social backlash this person is getting, that backlash has real effects on the work.

I, for one, no longer trust that hyprland will remain a well-maintained piece of software given that the maintainer would rather increase their maintenance burden and diverge from using common tools instead of cooperating with the community.

Badabinski ,

What if you need to file a bug? What if you have a question on the config that's not easily answered by the docs? If you never, ever find bugs and never, ever have questions, then sure, separate the two. There are genuinely people like that, but they're not common. If you're one of them, then I'm genuinely glad for you.

My opinion is this: You use software. You don't use people, but you sure as hell rely on them.

nmtake ,

Please note that many users of FOSS are also developers or contributors. Who wants to report a bug or send a patch if the community is worse?

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

If it’s great tool and FOSS why not use it? You use software, not people.

I didn’t write about its user base, I wrote about its community – the cesspool that engages among each other. That said, the moment someone opens a bug report, there’s a real chance that person gets harassed.

Stiltonfondu ,

This was a Discord dumpster fire that was thankfully put out months ago.

Hyprland is incredible and hopefully there won’t be any more trouble like this

Burghler ,

I also frequent the discord server often for help with configuring, I have not seen/experienced any of this hatred talked about so much. The worst I’ve seen is bluntness in delivering a solution or just being ignored because I someone didn’t RTFM.

Hyprland is a wonderful piece of technology and I hope it continues to persist.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

This was a Discord dumpster fire that was thankfully put out months ago.

Because Vaxry didn’t like the public backlash, not because he had any moral problems with the conduct. In fact, he doesn’t mind genocide:

https://cdn.fosstodon.org/media_attachments/files/111/363/540/657/156/602/original/02f62df0c03cb8b6.png

Burghler ,

Vaxry (head honcho of hyprland) responds here to Drew’s referenced shoutout. Sharing for completeness sake. blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

And his response to the FreeDesktop stuff. blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat

germanatlas ,
@germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The bread and butter for anyone wanting a TLDR:

The FDO team is right that Hyprland’s community reflects poorly on the Linux desktop community as a whole. Vaxry [the Hyprland Dev] has created a foothold for hate, transphobia, homophobia, bullying, and harassment in the Linux desktop community. We are right to take action to correct this problem.

geoff ,

Well I was going to try Hyprland this weekend, but I think instead I will very much not do that.

I hope someone forks it from a good commit just before they replaced wlroots. I don’t know the specifics of compositor code at all, but I bet It’s going to cost them quite a bit of velocity to maintain their replacement.

frightful_hobgoblin ,

Imagine letting yourself get emotional about ghe “asshole community” of a “tiling compositor”.

Anything can get to you if that can.

dannoffs ,
@dannoffs@hexbear.net avatar

Imagine having to rebase your entire project because you’re a piece of shit.

Telorand ,

This is the first I’ve heard of it. What’s the deal?

dannoffs ,
@dannoffs@hexbear.net avatar

Vaxry, the main dev of Hyprland, got banned from all aspects of freedesktop.org for multiple CoC violations.

Telorand ,

Yikes. Thanks for the summary. I’ll look into the details when I’m at my desktop.

cornshark ,

But why?

Badabinski ,

Because Vaxry (the lead dev) got banned from contributing to wlroots or any other FDO projects.

As for why he was banned, this is the only thing I've read about the whole thing: https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcement.html

Basically, he violated the FDO Code of Conduct when being told that a particular thing he said/enabled in a Discord community would not be acceptable if it was seen in spaces covered by said CoC.

This appears to be his response.

deathmetal27 ,

Does this have something to do with the author being banned from freedesktop?

Kanedias ,
@Kanedias@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes

krolden ,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Neat

ogeist ,

I’ve got a track for that:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUdyuKaGQd4

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