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SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand

cross-posted from: lemm.ee/post/37281970

Believe it or not, an unexpected conflict has arisen in the openSUSE community with its long-time supporter and namesake, the SUSE company.

At the heart of this tension lies a quiet request that has stirred not-so-quiet ripples across the open source landscape: SUSE has formally asked openSUSE to discontinue using its brand name.

Richard Brown, a key figure within the openSUSE project, shared insights into the discussions that have unfolded behind closed doors.

Despite SUSE’s request’s calm and respectful tone, the implications of not meeting it could be far-reaching, threatening the symbiotic relationship that has benefited both entities over the years.

Telorand ,

Name it UnownOS. The other variants like MicroOS and Leap all have logos that look like Unowns.

I’m sure Nintendo wouldn’t mind. Their lawyers are known to be pretty chill…

HumanPenguin ,
@HumanPenguin@feddit.uk avatar

If the just called it other.

It would gain a huge boost in desktop usage figures.

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

Honestly, for a good distro, the brand is not great. Perhaps this can be viewed good opportunity to go with something more unique!

Kory ,
@Kory@lemmy.ml avatar

A bad time to install Tumbleweed? I just downloaded the ISO today, not kidding.

possiblylinux127 ,

I don’t personally care for anything suse based. I find that rhel like is more stable and easier to work with

fossphi ,

It’s as a good time as any. I would just install and use it. Name change or not, it shouldn’t affect your usage. Don’t worry

JackbyDev ,

This won’t affect anything major, you’re fine.

HubertManne ,

wow. I had a good opinion of suse up to this point. what a silly request after all these years.

banazir OP , (edited )
@banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

Corporate backing is a two-edged sword, unfortunately.

visor841 ,

From my own looking into this it looks like more of a suggestion than a request (for now at least), just a “this might be a good idea, we should look into it”.

HubertManne ,

I just don't get what they are thinking. opensuse is basically free advertising for them.

Petter1 ,

Yea, I only know suse from opensuse and of my company ever needs Linux support, I would go to suse because I know it from openSuse…

And I would love to work for suse because I had such a good experience with openSuse

I think a name change would be pretty dump…

HubertManne ,

this is how I feel. If I am involved in work decisions I will recommend the enterprise version because the support just makes sense and is incredibly cheap vs most software. It actually took me awhile to understand the whole fedora, centos, redhat connection.

ozymandias117 , (edited )

It’s a strange suggestion after very recently working closely with openSUSE to ensure Leap can use the same binaries as SLE, though

monobot ,

Strange is using and marketing someone else’s name without written permission.

Why do you think linux distros and free software have such strange names? To avoid stepping on someone toes without expensive trademark research.

M68040 ,
@M68040@hexbear.net avatar

Rocky Linux 2

mosiacmango ,

Rocky Rocky Linux

Rocky^2 linux for short

owiseedoubleyou ,
@owiseedoubleyou@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s SUSSY Linux time

space_comrade ,

OpenBUSSY

pbjamm ,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

or Sussie

Mango ,

TIL SUSE exists and wouldn’t have found out if not for OpenSUSE and this news. It’s kinda weird to open their website and see this:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8f704d1c-9d0b-47ab-853a-941807fc66e3.jpeg

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

SUSE is such a stupid name. Like, it is stupid to say in German.

Just rename it SUSGeckoOS

m4m4m4m4 ,

If GeckOS isn’t already taken, it could be kinda cool.

lawrence ,

Why Geck ?

thayer ,

A gecko is a lizard, so it’s in keeping with SUSE’s chameleon theme. Maybe a little too similar for corporate.

I think Komodo Linux, or KomodOS are good options too, but I can’t recall if they were already used for a distro.

cerement ,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

Komodo (last update 2006)

NauticalNoodle ,

Yeah it is

Zink ,

As opposed to G.E.C.K. OS.

TheyCallMeHacked ,

I don’t know what’s stupid to say about Gesellschaft für Software und Systementwicklung mit beschränkter Haftung

UnfortunateShort ,

They are the second largest “Linux company” by revenue after Red Hat iirc

PotatoesFall ,

The openSUSE website obly lists three variants, Leap, Tumbleweed and MicroOS. I don’t see the many confusing variabts that are mentioned in the article

bsergay , (edited )
PotatoesFall ,

Thanks!

Well I think that the atomic distros, especially desktops, have a big future, I hope openSUSE gets to keep working on those.

I might try Kalpa actually. Seems like the openSUSE version of Fedora Kinoite?

bsergay ,

Thanks!

It has been my pleasure.

Well I think that the atomic distros, especially desktops, have a big future

So do I. Though, I think they’ll have a big future across the board.

I hope openSUSE gets to keep working on those.

Yup, me too. I trust that at least openSUSE Aeon will thrive (through Richard Brown). And hopefully that will eventually result into a healthy ecosystem in which more ‘immutable’/atomic spins (with other desktop environments) will follow.

I might try Kalpa actually. Seems like the openSUSE version of Fedora Kinoite?

Technically, it’s indeed openSUSE’s take on an ‘immutable’/atomic distro with KDE Plasma. However, there’s a big difference in how much development it enjoins.

  • For Fedora Atomic, all the spins are equal~ish in regards to their development. Like, it’s not possible to point to a difference that goes beyond polish.
  • On the other hand, openSUSE Aeon is in RC3 while openSUSE Kalpa hasn’t left Alpha. This is not surprising when considering that multiple people work on openSUSE Aeon and only a single developer works on openSUSE Kalpa.

There’s also a difference in how ‘immutability’/atomicity works on Fedora Atomic vs openSUSE MicroOS. Without even going over the implications thereof. But that’s out of scope for what’s intended for this comment.

PotatoesFall ,

awesome you seem knowledgable :P Can I bother you to share any resources on the differences between the atomicity between fedora and open suse? Search engines suck these days

bsergay ,

Can I bother you to share any resources on the differences between the atomicity between fedora and open suse?

It’s genuinely hard to point towards an exhaustive source on the matter. Perhaps related to the fact that there are continuous advancements and developments going on that make it hard for something to not feel outdated very quickly. But, basically, Fedora Atomic heavily relies on OSTree/libostree for accomplishing its ‘immutability’/atomicity. While, on the other hand, openSUSE MicroOS utilizes Btrfs snapshots (primarily) instead. Some implications are:

  • Fedora Atomic is able to track changes. openSUSE MicroOS currently does not. Though, this feature is planned.
  • Fedora Atomic is (pretty) reproducible; even if after dozens of transactions one returns back to an earlier state without tracing back. This is possible through the use of layers instead of directly changing the base system. This is something Btrfs snapshots can’t do currently. Therefore, there’s nothing that indicates that openSUSE MicroOS is able to do the same. Though it can be reproducible in its own way.
  • Git-like features of OSTree/libostree allows branching (and other git-like features) when managing deployments. Concept of branching is alien for Btrfs Snapshots.
  • Fedora Atomic basically offers built-in factory reset. For openSUSE MictroOS, this is planned.
  • Like git, Fedora Atomic can rebase. In practice, this allows it to change drastically through a single reboot without actually reinstalling. This is used to rebase to a new major version (from Fedora 39 to Fedora 40), but even more impressive is to change from Silverblue (GNOME) to Kinoite (KDE Plasma) to Sway to Budgie etc. And all of this, without (most of) the cruft associated with these changes. Heck, you could even rebase to uBlue images or any others you fancy. This concept of rebasing is not found on openSUSE MicroOS.
  • In theory, Btrfs snapshots should be more flexible in regards to applying changes we may find on traditional distros. But, unfortunately, because Fedora Atomic is further along its development, we don’t actually notice this. (The upcoming update related to bootable containers for Fedora Atomic doesn’t make it any easier for openSUSE MicrOS to be more flexible anyways.)
  • The upcoming update related to bootable containers also allows Fedora Atomic to be (relatively) declarative and hence; less state. This concept is also currently absent on openSUSE MicroOS.

Ongoing developments may alter the above list significantly. It’s even entirely possible that all features mentioned above will be found on both distros in the upcoming years. However, vision and scope are perhaps decisive when it comes to making any predictions regarding the future. We haven’t gone over those yet… Going over those is out of scope for what this comment intends :P .

Search engines suck these days

Can’t agree more.

PotatoesFall ,

thanks so much that was a fantastic explanation!

bsergay ,

It has been my pleasure!

finley ,

This is absurd

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

This is absurd

Years ago, when there were talks about establishing an independent foundation, sane people already warned that relying on a trademark not owned by them is risky. That was batted away as a non-issue. Now here we are.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

AbsurdOS – the free enterprise operating system

LeFantome ,

OpenSUSE is not an enterprise operating system. This is probably why they want the rebrand.

CyberSyndicalist ,
@CyberSyndicalist@hexbear.net avatar

call it SUES. SUSE won’t be able to complain since they are so hung up on it being pronounced SU-SAY.

halm ,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

Just rename it jeSUSE, because nobody fucks with the jeSUSE.

radivojevic ,

Fuck jususe, and fuck Jesus. Also fuck OpenJeSUSE.

datavoid ,

I also enjoy a good edge

halm ,
@halm@leminal.space avatar

There’s enough fucks to go around, for sure.

mrvictory1 ,

We already have JeOS

rotopenguin ,
@rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

Eight years of long term support, dude.

unknowing8343 ,

ChameleonOS seems to be already taken… Maybe ReptileOS?

WeAreAllOne ,

David Icke will disagree!

sebsch ,

ESUS OS?

holgersson ,

Just go the last step and call it Jesus OS

agressivelyPassive ,

Reboots after three days and then disappears in the cloud.

floofloof ,

JesOS

walthervonstolzing ,
@walthervonstolzing@lemmy.ml avatar

BezOS … that’s Amazon Linux though.

Grangle1 ,

Temple OS returns!

Grangle1 ,

Temple OS returns!

Zink ,

GSUS

dmalteseknight ,
@dmalteseknight@programming.dev avatar

Kind of reads like ASUS

Evil_Shrubbery , (edited )

Dont do things that aren’t necessary.
The name is adequate, it performs it’s function, its there.

Feels like consumerism, always “innovating” for the sake if being new and flashy.

Oh, wait, SUSE said that? Weird.
I guess if it’s a (kind of) must, tho that makes me weary of what’s SUSEs plan that they would benefit from this. It can’t be just stupid manager stuff, right? :D

That said, I submit open-me-SUSSY for consideration.
I believe most will assume correctly what the general idea for the logo would be, so no need to sketch it.

JackbyDev ,

openMeSussy

Evil_Shrubbery ,

sudo openMeSussy -F -Y

Marmaduke ,

Rename it to openSUS

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