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FrankTheHealer , in Dear Red Hat: Are you dumb?

Yeah fuck this move. Seems incredibly short sighted and a huge fuck you to the community.

rustbuckett ,
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@FrankTheHealer @REdOG I guess Debian based distros win.

domi ,
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Is there even a Debian based distro that is up to date like Fedora, does not have snaps and does not have “Unstable” in its name?

BubblyMango ,

Siduction. It is rolling release though.

fulano ,

Just checked their website and it seems like they’re using debian sid packages. What’s the difference between using siduction and plain debian sid, besides having a preconfigured desktop?

BubblyMango ,

I never used siduction, im juat aware of its existence. I think they add some stability(=reliability) on top of sid and also keep updating packages during sid’s freezes. Dont quote me on this.

Bene7rddso ,

Mint?

domi ,
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Does Mint still use the Ubuntu packages?

As @addie mentioned they are way out of date for gaming on AMD, especially if you purchase a new GPU at some point.

I switched from Ubuntu to Fedora when I got my 6900 XT because it would have taken another 2-3 months for Ubuntu to catch up to a kernel version where I could use it.

nan ,
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Mint is also based on Ubuntu LTS, so it is way behind Fedora by the time another release comes out. I like it as a distro but it doesn’t meet the request.

bishopolis ,

consider PCLinuxOS for a mageia (mandriva, conectiva and mandrake, both branches from RedHat pre-Enterprise Linux) descendant.

RL_Dane , in Dear Red Hat: Are you dumb?
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@REdOG

IBM: We poured money and resources into Linux before 99% of the business world had even heard of it. We helped make it great. Why shouldn't we require a return on that investment?

PLEASE UNDERSTAND, I think IBM/RH is bone-headed as heck and are now inexcusable violators of the GPL, and other licenses.

I knew they were going to break RH and make it something abominable.

But they were there at the very beginning of the 2000s, promoting Linux heavily. (Not altruistically, of course)

art ,
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This is not a violation of the GPL. They are allowed to charge for access to the source. If you provide binaries/images to a customer, you also must provide source. However, anyone who doesn’t pay isn’t entitled to it.

However, this is still a total bonehead move.

digdilem , in Thoughts on RHEL going closed source ?

As someone who admins around 200 Rocky 8/9 and Centos 7 servers, this is a little concerning.

But I have a lot of faith in Rocky and Alma, who are reportedly working together, in coming up with a solution to ensure they continue getting security fixes and updates.

Redhat are steadily turning into every bit as anti-competitive and, well, evil, as Oracle used to be. It's a shame as they used to do a lot for the FOSS world. Now they seem content to profit from it and give nothing back.

carlwgeorge ,

Now they seem content to profit from it and give nothing back.

This statement is completely false. Red Hat contributes a ton to open source, to thousands of upstream projects, probably more than any other individual company. Software from Red Hat acquisitions has been transitioned from closed to open source. New open source software is often created by Red Hat engineers. Everything Red Hat does is open source and contributed back upstream whenever possible.

To be clear, me saying this is not an endorsement of the RHEL source export changes announced yesterday. I think that sucks. But it doesn’t undo everything else Red Hat does.

ulu_mulu , in Dear Red Hat: Are you dumb?
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It’s most probably IBM forcing it, but yeah it’s dumb.

staticlifetime ,
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I don't know about that. IBM is traditionally stupid, yeah, but they wanted Red Hat for a reason. The CentOS debacle altogether was Red Hat, not IBM, and I don't think they are doing too much day to day operational mandates for stuff like this. I would not be surprised if this was just a Red Hat thing. I know it's easy to blame IBM, but I don't think it's that simple.

pete ,

Lol, redhat is just butt hurt they lost the NASA Linux contract to rocky

corsicanguppy ,

I’m absolutely not surprised that NASA took CentOS-in-more-than-name over the people who are trying to kill Enterprise Linux.

nan ,
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NASA did their contract beforehand.

And it was only for a few workstations, still I think it caused Red Hat to panic. Government is a big customer.

corsicanguppy ,

they wanted Red Hat for a reason.

They were dying and they needed a cash cow to milk. The only way that was gonna work is if they didn’t kick the cow and spoil that milk like they’ve kicked every cow before it. And they can’t stop, so they’re just kicking away.

bishopolis ,

if they didn’t kick the cow and spoil that milk like they’ve kicked every cow before it

I miss Cringely’s take on this.

bishopolis ,

. I would not be surprised if this was just a Red Hat thing.

It’s a tough one. We blame RedHat for a lot of its half-baked internal fridge art - systemd, network manager; and even, some days, yum in an apt-4-rpm world.

But this new one is QUITE the departure. It’s not ‘red hat’ stupid but a little further on the spectrum.

cyclohexane , in Dear Red Hat: Are you dumb?

Not surprised. A for-profit corporation wanting more money. Especially as we enroach further into late stage capitalism where corporations struggle to find more territory to profiteer from and squeeze more profit out of us.

The era of free services being profitable is ending rapidly, and we see this across many areas in the world.

taladar ,

I wouldn’t say they aren’t profitable, I would say the greed outweighs profitability.

cyclohexane ,

You’re right. I should say “profit growth” which is what corporations look for. You can have solid growth, but unless it’s growing, they don’t care.

Shatur , in Linux on Android
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I running GNU/Linux on my Phone natively. And I use Waydroid layer to run Android apps. So I kinda doing the opposite 😄

to_urcite_ty_kokos ,
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I always wandered what the battery life would be like on these devices

Shatur ,
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The battery life is awful. But I bought the official clamshell keyboard for it that replaces the back cover and expands the battery capacity. With this accessory the battery life is good.

ReCursing , in [YouTube] Redhat goes CLOSED SOURCE? | Chris Titus Tech
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What??? Is there an article rather than a video?

BarrierWithAshes ,
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here's the exact post right from RH themselves

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream

ReCursing ,
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Am I missing something? Nothing there says anything about becoming closed source?

BarrierWithAshes ,
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Quoted from my other post: Well in order to access the CentOS stream repo you need to have a subscription. So really not closed source but rather "harder-to-view-the-source".

carlwgeorge ,

Well in order to access the CentOS stream repo you need to have a subscription.

That’s false. The sources are right here, open to the world and open for contribution. What was shut down was the automation to export RHEL source RPMs to the legacy location. The source RPM exports were pretty much useless for contributors and maintainers of RHEL and CentOS. However, they were critical for RHEL rebuilds, which is why people are upset.

Uluganda , in [Question] to Linux from Windows as a daily driver

For the last two, it will more than enough. Gaming tho, it depends. If you wants emulator, Linux is THE emulator OS. For Windows game tho, if you are planning to play older game, Linux is better than Windows. Period. For newer games, like ‘just-release-game’, it is not ideal. Free to play multiplayer games, especially outside of Steam/Valve, forget it.

chris ,

To piggy-back off this, take stock of your current favorite games and do some searching to find out how those have worked out for others. ProtonDB is a great resource for games on Steam. Outside Steam it can often be done, but can be a headache.

I will typically try a game on Linux first, but keep Windows around and will just boot into that if I cant get up and running pretty quick. Don’t have time to deal with the tinkering all day haha

havilland , in [YouTube] Redhat goes CLOSED SOURCE? | Chris Titus Tech

Has anyone got a source on this? The video doesn’t have any more info linked…

Catsrules ,
rebul , in NixOS is Mindblowing by Chris Titus

How is NixOS better than Linux Mint?

rocketeer8015 ,

They are very very different, much more so than say arch and mint are different. Listing what makes nix better than mint would be just a list of features mint is missing, wether these are relevant for you or not would decide if they make nix better. However there are some objective technical points that are just flat out better:

  • One config file describing your system. You change that file, you change the system. The system always is in the state described in that file.
  • Complex system changes that would require many steps are trivial since you only have to describe the outcome in your configuration file instead of how to get there. For example I can declare in the config file that I want a system using the current stable linux kernel with zen patches and Nvidia drivers that have 32 bit support.
  • Every update is a (seamless) reinstall. The entire system gets rebuilt as if it was a fresh install, sans your home directory and the settings you made ofc.
  • Concept of generations. Every time I change my config file or rebuilt my system(update) it is a new generation with its own entry in the bootloader. Btw, the config file also controls which bootloader your system uses, you can just say grub or systemd and nix takes care of the rest.
  • ‘nix-shell -p program’ that little command will open a shell with the specified applications installed in it, after you close that shell the programs are gone. This is great for trying out apps without cluttering your system with their dependencies, or quickly using a app you know you won’t need permanently.
  • Choice between release based updates or bleeding edge rolling. Concept of generations does still apply, you can quickly try out the rolling release channel and if it doesn’t work out you can easily go back.
  • Trivial to change midstack applications. With midstack I mean things like cinnamon, gnome-shell or plasma base files. For example what if you wanted to switch from gnome to kde? A single word changed in the nix config file will rip out all of the gnome stack and put the plasma stack in instead. As if you never had gnome on your system, a reinstall for all intents and purposes. Again, trivial to change back.

That’s just some of the advantages of nix.

Ministar , in We need more of Richard Stallman's ideas, not less

Interesting read, although a bit too preachy at times.

In my opinion, this is a utopian point of view that does not work in real life and glances over a lot of good things of GPL.

Linux and a lot of open source would not be here today, in this shape, without big companies using it for their commercialized software. You really think Microsoft would contribute to Linux source code if it can not use it commercially? You really think ANY company would contribute to ANYTHING if they can not commercialize it?

Linux is what it is today because not only volunteers, but companies depend on it being stable and feature-full. If companies did not care to contribute to it, it would be dead and only a pet project of few volunteers.

Who would pay all these people to work on it? Sure, some of them would work for free as a hobby, some of them coud get paid from donations. But its nowhere near enough to make Linux or any other FOSS project big and popular.

Until people need money to survive, AGPL will never be the most popular license and it should not if you want to have FOSS.

And what is so bad about it? You still have base open source code that they use to make their software, make your own. You are mad because companies take open source code, and charge for it. Then, you take it and make the software free.

You want everybody to use FOSS, sure. Who will be customer support? Who will fix and be responsible for stuff when they dont work? How will you pay these people?

Free as in, free to do whatever the fuck you want with it. Not free as in free to do whatever you want, except make money to survive.

version_unsorted ,

The problems you describe are due to capitalism: profit motivated commerce. The open source business model has a focus that monetizes the human actions that are a value-add, such as continued development of targeted features, tech support and other things it makes sense to pay for specialized knowledge, but the tangibles are still open for all to modify, audit or use as they want.

WhiteBlackGoose OP , in NixOS is Mindblowing by Chris Titus
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Check out c/[email protected] (link) for more, btw

sneakyninjapants ,

Damn, all this nix hype has me wanting to jump off of my Kinoite install. Maybe it’s time to dust off my old nix config I’ve tucked away. Found a new Youtube sub too. Thanks OP!

le_saucisson_masque , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?

I keep seeing trends with Linux distribution like teenager looking for new fashion.

I think it’s mostly the very young Linux user who hope from one distribution to the another over and over whereas many just stick with what they got : Ubuntu, Debian, mint, maybe fedora.

NixOS is certainly interesting tho.

choroalp ,

Atleast NixOS isnt one of the countless Arch based distros emerged since pandemic

moldyringwald , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?
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It's insanely stable but you have to have a lot of linux/programming knowledge to do even the simplest things like installing/updating your software or making little tweaks. I played with it for hours the other day and I'm just too dumb to figure it out lol I think it's just a super stable highly customizable distro for power users and a lot of people like that. If you can get over the learning curve it's a pretty powerful and unique os

Chobbes ,

It’s kind of funny because I’d put NixOS on a complete newbies computer for sure, and recommend it to an expert… But I’m less sure if I’d tell a random mid-intermediate Linux user to switch.

Like if Grandma wants Linux on their computer to do some internet browsing for some reason… I’d absolutely put NixOS on it because it’s easy to manage the system for them… But somebody who is a little familiar with Linux already might be more confused about the differences. It’s kind of the ultimate beginner distro and the ultimate power-user distro, but a bit awkward between those extremes, haha.

hyperspace , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?
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What about Nix's financial issues? Have they been resolved yet?

Atemu ,
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To get it out of the way first: There are no financial issues. There are more than enough funds to continue operations as they are for a sufficiently long time.

What is actually happening is that a long time sponsor has indicated that they (understandably) no longer want to foot the huge bill of hosting the entire archive of binary caches ($9000/mo). Finding a more sustainable setup is what the community is currently concerned with.
There is no risk of operations shutting down any time soon, the NixOS foundation has funds set aside to continue even this unsustainable setup for at least a year. We just want to be more efficient with our and others resources going forwards.

That’s what all this you might have heard of is about.

Btw, even if the binary cache were to go poof, we don’t technically need it. NixOS is a source-based distro like Gentoo and source hosting is not a concern. The binary cache is immensely helpful though which is why we’d obviously prefer to keep it.

choroalp ,

I think AWS Gave them 12 months of free credit to host cache

Atemu ,
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Yes, AWS gracefully sponsored 12 months of our S3 bill which gives us even more time to enact change.

That’s just the short term resolution though, the Nix community is still looking into more sustainable long-term solutions.

root ,

$9,000/mo? Have you considered not using the most ridiculously expensive method possible?

root ,

Thinking about this further…

I can purchase 10GE fiber, at home, for $299/mo.

I can purchase a solid 16 bay Supermixro server for around $5k

16TB drives are $168. There’s $3,700 left so let’s buy 21 drives (336TB, 235TB usable under raidz3 zfs). We’ll leave that last $170 for … electricity.

Leasing all of this from a regular hosting provider woul be much more cost effective. I work for one, what the heck are you doing man?

Atemu ,
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You aren’t a reputable public hoster with AWS-class uptime. That has a price too. AWS is likely overpriced though, hence the nix community still looking for better alternatives.

Atemu ,
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the Nix community is still looking into more sustainable long-term solutions.

Atemu ,
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Yes, AWS gracefully sponsored 12 months of our S3 bill which gives us even more time to enact change.

That’s just the short term resolution though, the Nix community is still looking into more sustainable long-term solutions.

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