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thayer , (edited ) in Trying to rescue a 1GB RAM laptop

If that’s one of those old 10" netbooks, I had good experiences running dwm and xmonad on mine back in the day (had an Acer and later an MSI Wind U120(?)). Typically ran all my apps maximized, one per desktop. Firefox did okay, but this was around 2010-2012. Mostly stuck with terminal apps and it was more than snappy enough.

Some screenshots from days past…

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/e4b532cb-6a80-43e6-984b-73e6d1417e0a.png

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/81b41305-20d2-4892-9f39-3d8992260208.png

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/9f4d2b98-6059-468c-bebe-47898a412666.png

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jagermo ,

Ohhh, the MSI Wind. One of my favorite devices, so much value for money. Loved it

thayer ,

Me too! I can’t recall now why I parted with it, but I wish I hadn’t. Would love to see what it could do today.

jagermo ,

RAM broke and was soldered in :(

moontorchy , in SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand

Oh wow. SUSE family of distribution is relatively small footprint. Whole story sounds like “splitting the hair”. The only reasonable explanation is that SUSE hired some self-glorified marketer from big corp. omg…

fr0g ,

No, there are good reasons for it. A lot of people get confused between SUSE and openSUSE offerings. Often SUSE customers show up in openSUSE places, because they believe that it's a place they can get official support. And I'm sure a lot of potential customers might get confused in the same way too.
On the flip side there are also a lot of openSUSE (adjacent) users who think SUSE is (secretly or not) making openSUSE development decisions or think they can dand SUSE to do that and that.

So there are some good reasons to consider a rebranding, but also some speaking against it, like the less of recognition it might entail.

agressivelyPassive ,

And you really think, people who are willing and able to buy enterprise support for their Linux distro get confused by the naming? Sure, there’s that one confused dude, but you also have people asking Facebook where they left their keys.

OpenSuse is essentially free marketing for SUSE, nobody would know them otherwise. Why would you give that away?

Suse is not a huge company, it has neither a large enterprise backer nor any killer features, and its market share is relatively small compared to Red Hat or Canonical. Throwing away free marketing while alienating a relatively passionate community is a kind of brainrot only MBA can come up with.

fr0g ,

And you really think, people who are willing and able to buy enterprise support for their Linux distro get confused by the naming?

No, I don't think that. I know that because I'm active in the community.

OpenSuse is essentially free marketing for SUSE, nobody would know them otherwise.

That is absolute nonsense. SUSE mostly serves large enterprise customers. That's an entirely different demographic from people who care about Desktop Linux or setting up a home server.

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its market share is relatively small compared to Red Hat or Canonical.

I'm pretty sure SUSE is bigger than Canonical.

Editedit: According to wikipedia SUSE's revenue is about twice as high as Canonical's

agressivelyPassive ,

That is absolute nonsense. SUSE mostly serves large enterprise customers.

And where do you think the people deciding what to buy get their information? Mind share is important.

I’m pretty sure SUSE is bigger than Canonical.

That’s actually surprising to me, but I’d argue that Suse offers more products, it seems like Rancher, Longhorn, etc. have no canonical equivalent.

Laser ,

And where do you think the people deciding what to buy get their information?

Advertisements at large airports

LeFantome ,

OMG. This is so hilariously true.

fr0g ,

And where do you think the people deciding what to buy get their information? Mind share is important.

Modt certainly not in Linux distro community spaces, because those are completely irrelevant for them and their needs.

skullgiver ,
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  • anothermember ,

    as did CentOS before it

    Fedora is older than CentOS?

    LeFantome ,

    Almost everybody that chooses SUSE ( SLE ) does so because of SAP.

    panicnow ,

    I’m surprised and happy that SUSE is still doing well. I have fond memories of using SUSE in the enterprise especially around their “perfect guest” campaign for using it in virtualized environments. I thought they had very well-baked integration with large Windows networks—things just worked out of the box that didn’t with RHEL. I’m sure a lot has changed in the last decade but I appreciated their cooperative stance in the enterprise.

    ulu_mulu ,

    OpenSuse is essentially free marketing for SUSE, nobody would know them otherwise

    I’ve been working for big enterprises for many years, SUSE is used in enterprise environment to run SAP systems because it’s recommended by SAP, OpenSuse has nothing to do with that.

    monobot ,

    And relying on marketing by someone you don’t control is not good decision even if losing some mind share.

    monobot ,

    I am in the linux world 20+ years. Used SUSE for short amout of time back than and never really cared much about it, just glad it still exist.

    This is the first time I am hearing openSUSE is not part od SUSE.

    Having different name should be good for all. I think openSUSE people should have done it long time ago. But sounds like name is not the only problem.

    Strit , (edited ) in SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand
    @Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show avatar

    If they were to rename/rebrand, what would be the new name, do you think?

    I’ve heard mention of GeekLinux/GeekOS.

    Kusimulkku ,

    Dear Lord I hope they don’t go with that one.

    sugartits ,

    CringeOS!

    Dirk ,
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    It would be non-professional as frick.

    drunkosaurus ,

    Is openSusie different enough to be considered?

    kurcatovium ,

    That is terrible idea, it’s even worse than my fun proposal of openSAUCE

    Hexarei ,
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    I can imagine that getting confused with Guix (pronounced geeks)

    connaisseur , in SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand

    Since I had to deal with some representatives of SUSE corp, I can say that the whole experience was just plain horrible. Don‘t like that company at all and thus am not surprised that the name change topic is even discussed at all.

    polskilumalo , in Trying to rescue a 1GB RAM laptop
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    I have a similar but dual core Atom netbook. The thing I did was put an SSD into it, and then installing bare Debian. I chose no graphical system from the installer. From there I installed i3 as the window manager and launched it with an automatic login script checking if I was on TTY1.

    That’s all I did, basically keeping the stuff the little thing has to run to an absolute minimum, and a fully fledged desktop environment would have set it on fire.

    Quazatron , in Trying to rescue a 1GB RAM laptop
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    I have something like that running Haiku. Try it, you’ll be surprised.

    narc0tic_bird , in SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand

    Doesn’t SUSE actively benefit from openSUSE development? I thought Tumbleweed and SLES had a similar relationship as Fedora and RHEL.

    mogoh ,

    Notice that “Fedora” does not have “Redhat” its name. Maybe the request is reasonable. I don’t know how many people think that thy don’t need SLES, because there is openSUSE.

    narc0tic_bird ,

    My comment was more about how SUSE benefits from openSUSE development (and vice-versa) and that Tumbleweed has a similar relationship to SLES as Fedora has to RHEL, as they are both upstream of their respective enterprise distributions.

    Besides, people don’t need SLES. Enterprises do because of the support they get. And I’d assume employees responsible for that kind of thing at such enterprises would know the difference.

    And the Red Hat logo is literally a fedora hat.

    If it’s just a name change done well, I couldn’t care less (although openSUSE is a very recognizable name and brand recognition would have to be reestablished). I just hope that this isn’t the beginning of something worse.

    pmk ,

    Fedora/Redhat is a good example. It could be argued that the Linux distro scene was different 23 years ago, making it harder to be seen today.

    The thing I’m pondering is what the openSUSE community actually is. Does it exist as a group, or is it separate projects, each doing their own thing… for who? What is the overlap between people in the various distros, overlap in technology used in packaging and QA etc? Is it meaningful to talk about openSUSE as a distinct community separate from SUSE?

    MyNameIsRichard ,
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    SUSE provide a lot of the infrastructure for openSUSE and base their enterprise Linux from factory.

    thehatfox , in SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand
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    Seems a pointless endeavour. The open and enterprise sides are so deeply linked, it makes sense that they share a brand.

    Separating them only weakens the broader SUSE ecosystem.

    llionesista ,
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    @thehatfox @banazir
    Suse and Oracle already have an enterprise-level community project, OpenELA. This image explains very well in my opinion why SUSE is asking the openSUSE community to remove the SUSE name.

    pastermil ,

    I’m curious as to where they’re actually going with this. They got news, they got repo, but still nothing to run even after almost a year?

    frankgrimeszz , in SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand

    LibreSUSE 😎

    GolfNovemberUniform ,
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    I’d love them to replace SUSE with SUS. Distrowatch click rate +500%

    Blaster_M ,

    I would that too

    Rozauhtuno ,
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    amongSUSE

    pastermil ,

    SamongUSE

    fireshell , in SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand
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    openSUSE is already a brand, now the main thing is not to get lost.

    pmk ,

    When I hear openSUSE, I think of german engineering and resources from SUSE, with a history of innovating great infrastructure.
    With a new name, distanced from the SUSE part, I’ll probably feel more like if this is yet another random derivative created by a small group who might soon lose interest.

    PlexSheep , in Help me choosing laptop

    Framework laptop has a nice concept and good Linux support in theory.

    Sadly, I keep having heating problems with mine, currently in contact with their support again.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Mine gets quite hot while charging. What’re your issues?

    PlexSheep ,

    Similar. 95-100 degrees C under load, while 70-85 (or something like that) is normal according to the support. It’s also very hot in idle (60-80). And when it gets hot, it throttles to unusable 400 MHz.

    Still in contact with support, I have warranty, so I’m hoping they get me new thermal paste or whatever is broken. It’s not a software thing.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Thanks for the info! I’ll have to double check my temps, but last I saw I think they were around 50-70ish iirc so I guess maybe it’s ok. It still feels like something in there (I think it’s the batt) is getting hotter than that and I’m wondering if maybe something isn’t working right, I have to find my laser thermometer I guess.

    PlexSheep ,

    From hand feel, my battery doesn’t really get hot (opened it right after shutdown when it was 80 CPU temp)

    RichieRich , in LindowsOS, 2001
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    @Sinclair@fedia.io That's such a bad Operating System, really bad. Poor features,buggy as hell.

    30p87 ,

    Sounds like Windows.

    MyNameIsRichard ,
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    Microsoft sued Lindows because it was too similar to Windows (and lost)

    thingsiplay ,

    I don’t think that. Yes, only one letter is different. Yes, both are operating systems for PC. Yes the UI somewhat looks similar. But I think even the average joe would be baffled by your statement (because they think it is Windows).

    tourist ,
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    Must really have been super shit if you remember how awful it was 20+ years later

    Anything in particular that sent you over the edge?

    RichieRich ,
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    RichieRich ,
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    @tourist I tried it back in the time and it didn't really work well. It was just a pain. None of the hardware I owned worked well enough. Graphics card only VESA mode, lack of compatibility issues, Wine was crappy at the time, a better approach was SuSE Linux which was the start for me to dive into the Linux world. Since then I took the hard tour and enjoyed playing around with SuSE on a second partition. Nowadays I use Linux only, except for company's PC at the office, there I'm bound to Win.

    TimeSquirrel , (edited )
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    I'm not that person, but most smaller distros back that weren't the major ones (RedHat, Suse, Mandrake) had issues. Driver support from distro to distro was also very spotty, I remember having to hunt through three of them in 2002 to finally get one to recognize my Ethernet chipset. Yes, Ethernet, not Wifi, which would have been understandable.

    IsoKiero ,

    Yes, Ethernet, not Wifi, which would have been understandable.

    Back in the day there was ‘software NICs’ on the market which required separate (driver-ish) software to do anything. Also there was RTL chips which required propietary parts from a driver and all the fun stuff. On wifi it’s still a thing now and then, but everything works far better today, and it’s at least partially because hardware is better too. Of course even in late 90’s when ethernet started to gain traction you could just throw something like 3c509 or e100 to your box and call it a day, but standards were far less mature than they’re today.

    laurelraven ,

    This is why Ubuntu was such a big deal when it came out, it was one of the few where things more or less “just worked” without having to chase proprietary or reverse engineered drivers down

    NauticalNoodle ,

    I remember that even a graphical Installation was rare amongst distress which is why I briefly used Mandrake as one of my first.

    RichieRich ,
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    floofloof ,

    Everything runs as root.

    Yikes.

    GenderNeutralBro ,

    Its gimmick was that it was compatible with Windows apps, and an easy transition for Windows users. It didn’t really live up to that promise. Wine was not nearly as mature then as it is today, and even today it would be pretty bold to present any Linux distro as being Windows-compatible.

    RichieRich ,
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    @GenderNeutralBro Instead of being Windows compatible: Microsoft 365 is Linux compatible (They have MS Edge on Linux and everything is running in a web app), so for me there is no need to use Windows ever again. What is it that you really need to use Windows? I think 90% of normal users could deal with Linux nowadays.

    GenderNeutralBro ,

    Short answer: Enterprise bullshit and Adobe.

    On the home computing side, I can’t think of much that has specific OS requirements besides gaming and DRM’d 4K streaming. For better or worse, most desktop apps nowadays are glorified web sites. It’s a different world today than it was 20 years ago.

    On the enterprise side, nah. Way too many vendors with either no Linux support or shitty Linux support.

    Microsoft is working hard to shove “New Outlook” down everyone’s throats despite still not having feature parity with old Outlook. Nobody in my company will want to use it until it is forced because we need delegated and shared calendars to actually work. And then there’s the “you can take my 80GB .pst files when you pry them from my cold dead hands” crowd. Advanced Excel users are not happy with the web version either, and I don’t blame them.

    njordomir ,

    I hate new Outlook. Might as well switch the whole company to Yahoo mail or Hotmail. :D

    NauticalNoodle ,

    CAD software.

    RichieRich ,
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    @NauticalNoodle Yes, indeed, that is a special use case that is not covered well by Linux software.

    Edit: There are some apps for it but I never heared anyone using it.

    bloodfart , in Trying to rescue a 1GB RAM laptop

    Compile your own kernel for those atom processors and they work much better.

    It’s not hard, there’s a text interface for it where you just pick what to do from a list.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    That will only speed it up slightly at best and at worse it will be slower

    ReversalHatchery ,

    I’ve never compiled my kernel so I’m not familiar with what is happening there, but why could that be faster? Is it only installing drivers for present devices, or what is happening?

    bloodfart ,

    I can’t remember off the top of my head because it’s been a long while, but there’s some weird option inside the configurator that accounts for one of the things the early atom line doesn’t have that the default kernel expects out of x86 or x64 processors.

    Of course, any binary program that was compiled with the expectation of that capacity would also have weird hangs and slowness, but (like I said, a while ago) that didn’t tend to cause a 1.3ghz atom to be slower than a 700mhz pentium m.

    Marmaduke , in SUSE Requests openSUSE to Rebrand

    Rename it to openSUS

    Red_sun_in_the_sky , in Trying to rescue a 1GB RAM laptop
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    Someone suggested antix. I second that. Try it. They got 32 bit version.

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