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LeFantome , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

I think Fedora is solid choice. I will tell you why I do not recommend it to new users myself.

1 - Fedora is very focused on being non-commercial ( see my other comments on its history ). This leads them to avoid useful software like codecs that I think new users will expect out of the box

2a- the support cycle is fairly short and whole release upgrades are required

2b - Fedora is typically an early adopter of new tech. It is not “bleeding edge” but it may be moreso than new users need.

3 - it is does not really target new users like say Mint does though it does target GUI use

4 - I do not use it myself anymore and I do not like to recommend what I do not use. What I do use has a reputation for not being new user appropriate ( not sure I agree ).

Nothing wrong with Fedora though in my view. I would never discourage anybody from trying it.

possiblylinux127 ,

Fedora is generally liked by the corporate world for testing environments and desktops. As long as people understand that it moves quickly then they are happy. I’m not sure why you think it is anti commercial. The Fedora trademark is owned by Redhat

twinnie , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

I tried a bunch on distros when I switched to Linux full time. Currently I have OpenSUSE in my laptop but I don’t think that will last too much longer. I’ve been running Fedora on my main machine for months now and it makes a lot of my other distros just feel clunky.

Sureito ,

As I run openSuse and plan to introduce it to a few friends who want to switch: where did it go wrong for you? What pitfalls should I be aware of, that I might be blind to by now?

dino , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

Fedora has no selling point at all besides being similar to RHEL.

poki ,

How about

  • SELinux that’s pre-configured and on enforcing mode OOTB
  • Its whole Atomic branch
  • Being the first distro on which new technologies are introduced

All of which are unique.

To be frank, Fedora’s unique selling points are very compelling. I wonder if you could name a distro with even more impressive USPs.

Sandbag ,

Opensuse tumbleweed.

poki ,

What’s with openSUSE Tumbleweed?

Do you think its USPs are more compelling? If so, consider naming those USPs in order for them to be evaluated.

possiblylinux127 ,

USP for me means uninterruptible power supply

boonhet ,

Wouldn’t that be UPS?

possiblylinux127 ,

Yes

poki ,

USP: Unique Selling Point.

dino ,

lol? are you trolling?

Being the first distro on which new technologies are introduced

Also atomic branch? SELinux might be a fair point, but I doubt that ss unique to Fedora tbh.

poki ,

You seem to be ignorant; the use of this word is not meant derogatory. In all fairness, it’s perfectly fine; we all gotta start out somewhere. So, please allow me to elaborate.

Being the first distro on which new technologies are introduced

Consider checking up on where Wayland, systemd, PipeWire, PulseAudio etc first appeared; so on which particular distro.

Also atomic branch?

Fedora Atomic, i.e. the first attempt to Nix’ify an established distro. Most commonly known through Fedora Silverblue or Fedora Kinoite. Peeps formerly referred to these as immutable. However, atomic (i.e. updates either happen or don’t; so no in-between state even with power outage) is more descriptive. It’s also the most mature attempt. Derivatives like Bazzite are the product of this endeavour. From the OG distros, only openSUSE (with its Aeon) has released an attempt. However, it seems to be less ambitious in scope and vision. I wish it the best, but I find it hard to justify it over Fedora Atomic.

SELinux might be a fair point, but I doubt that ss unique to Fedora tbh.

OOTB, apart from Fedora (Atomic), it’s only found on (some) Fedora derivatives and openSUSE Aeon (which forces you to use GNOME and Aeon’s specific container-focused workflow). Arch, Gentoo and openSUSE (perhaps even Debian) do ‘support’ SELinux, but it can be a real hassle do deal with. And it’s not OOTB.

If you make claims, you better substantiate it. I just did your homework 😂. Regardless, I’m still interested to hear a distro with more impressive USPs. Let me know 😉.

dino ,

I am not sure I understand what you mean by:

Consider checking up on where Wayland, systemd, PipeWire, PulseAudio etc first appeared; so on which particular distro. Are you referring to use those packages as default? Afaik Fedora OS is not even rolling release, so I cannot fathom how it has packages earlier than the typical bleeding-edge candidates. Fedora Atomic Why are you mixing Fedora Atomic with the regular Fedora Distro? It’s also the most mature attempt. Derivatives like Bazzite are the product of this endeavour. From the OG distros, only openSUSE (with its Aeon) has released an attempt. However, it seems to be less ambitious in scope and vision. …how is something like this objectively valid? I understand you like Fedora, but you make claims without any proof or just pure opinion based.

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    This second comment only exists because all I wanted to say didn’t fit in the previous one.

    So without further a due.

    “However, it seems to be less ambitious in scope and vision.”

    I will not commit to a rigorous comparison in which their respective PR talks or points related to ambition, scope and vision are mentioned. Instead, I’ll put forward reasons for why I believe this to be the case.

    • Fedora has mentioned (two and a half years ago) that they want for Fedora Atomic to be the default. openSUSE has yet to make similarly ambitious statements regarding MicroOS. At best, we’ve Richard Brown (lead MicroOS Desktop) that states that he thinks Linux (or openSUSE) (can’t remember the exact statement) should only be consumed as MicroOS (Desktop). However, this is only the preference laid out by the project lead. This is especially interesting when one considers how much more logical it is for openSUSE Aeon to be the future of openSUSE Tumbleweed compared to Fedora Atomic to be the future of Fedora. Yet, less ambition…
    • From inception, Fedora Atomic was very ambitious. The image that represents the system is created from ‘scratch’, layers are applied through rpm-ostree, for the container workflow Toolbx’ inception is materialized. Reproducibility (to a very significant degree) is achieved. And, as mentioned earlier, it can even start boasting about being declarative (to a degree). By contrast, where does openSUSE Aeon stand? It’s only achieved atomicity. That’s it. No mention of reproducibility. No mention of the ambition to be declarative. Nothing. Their commitment to container workflows didn’t even lead to building in-house tooling. Instead, they "outsourced’ it by using an existing solution (first Toolbx and then Distrobox) that was derived (but ultimately became more of a superset) of Toolbx; i.e. Distrobox. Don’t get me wrong; I have preferred Distrobox over Toolbx (and will probably continue to do so). However, isn’t it painfully obvious that one is inferior (in ambition) when its has to rely on tooling provided by the other?
    • The debacle of Kalpa. Like, how is it possible that it has remained in Alpha with no positivity surrounding it for over a year. Additionally, there doesn’t seem to be any effort in helping the clearly struggling single maintainer of the project. Meanwhile Fedora Atomic is working on its ARM/Asahi remix and the one with COSMIC as its DE. And, honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Fedora releases those two before Kalpa leaves Alpha…
    • Container-based, but limited in scope. openSUSE is (as they proclaim) committed to the container-based workflow. However, their base system continues to be one relying on btrfs snapshots rather than OCI or whatever container-based solution is out there. Heck, Vanilla OS and blendOS were using something similar with their original inception; ABRoot for Vanilla OS*. But, somehow, a group of developers from Vanilla OS were able to erect a f*ck tonne of tooling for (effectively) their reimagining of Fedora’s model. Like, how can this group of developers succeed where openSUSE seems to fail? I literally fail to understand. Heck, the same could be said for blendOS that’s headed by a (very talented) teenager. Somehow, even Fedora seems to be more committed to the container workflow. At least, their efforts suggest as such.
    • In over two years since I’m on Fedora Atomic, I’ve seen so many developments; it’s actually astonishing. OCI has been adopted for updates. And even bootc has been successfully created to tackle some problems. The ambition is clear. Meanwhile, I just don’t see the same advancements for openSUSE MicroOS. Heck, even YaST, one of openSUSE’s killer features is absent. Why? One of the reasons is because it allows for too much customization… Peculiar. Because I thought that openSUSE’s reliance on btrfs snapshots would allow them to customize a lot more easily. But, unfortunately, this doesn’t seem to be the case.
    • Like how all of these efforts are inspired from NixOS, we see that a lot of projects are also inspired by Fedora Atomic. They take over their ways and allow themselves to be inspired by them. Vanilla OS’ maintainers (among others) have basically accepted doing this as well. We don’t see this (to that degree) for openSUSE. The only thing I’ve seen is atomic upgrades through btrfs snapshots. That’s it. It’s unfortunate, but that’s literally it.
    • For some reason, MicroOS Desktop was an afterthought until Richard Brown brought it up in 2019. By contrast, at that point, Fedora had released its Fedora Atomic Workstation (what would eventually become Fedora Silverblue) for over a year.

    The writing above was a lot more ramble-y and unorganized compared to what I write usually. Blame my aching wrist. Regardless, it should be more than enough. However, if you disagree or if I’m wrong, then I’d love to hear about it.

    And, if you somehow believe that openSUSE Aeon is more ambitious than Fedora Atomic, then please feel free to state why you think that to be the case.

    Edit: I just noticed how I missed a question:

    I am not sure I understand what you mean by:

    Consider checking up on where Wayland, systemd, PipeWire, PulseAudio etc first appeared; so on which particular distro.

    So, it was meant for you to notice the trend of how new, (r)evolutionary and crucial tech (i.e. software) are first adopted on Fedora. For each one of them, if you look at their respective wiki page, you can check how it’s adopted and from which distro it started out. This trend has been going on for quite some time and will continue to be the case.

    Btw, I apologize for the insane info dump 😅.

    dino ,

    I don’t understand why this is relevant. But, to answer your question, a modern system should already be on systemd

    Dear lord…I will try to read the rest but you are not off to a good start. What has modern to do with systemd?

    poki , (edited )

    Read the rest of the paragraph and also the next paragraph if you haven’t yet.

    If that didn’t answer your query, do you oppose the following statement found on Gentoo’s wiki:

    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd

    And if so, why?

    dino ,

    Thanks for the detailed reply. I see where you are coming from but I for example never head about Fedora Atomic whilst I am familiar with OpenSUSE MicroOS, GUIX, NixOS. I noticed that MicroOS is the server oriented immutable whilst Aeon is the new orientation for Desktop… ANYWAY, all this immutable talk is anyway pointless, because I was talking about general distributions and not a discussion about immutable distros.

    On the topic which distro adopted what first, my confusion did stem from by what context. As I tried to make clear with my confusion about fedora not being rolling release. To cut all this talk short here my answer to your question:

    The default value of OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is pretty strong because

    • rolling release
    • zypper having sane args for regular tasks (install, search etc.)
    • btrfs as default filesystem
    • optimal snapper integration which leads into
    • making a rolling release distro suitable for non-technical people/daily usage without fear of regular updates

    But this is just a general recommendation for “distros”. If the requirements get more specific it makes much more sense to make proper recommendations.

    poki ,

    Thank you for reading through that info dump and thank you for your reply!

    I see where you are coming from but I for example never head about Fedora Atomic whilst I am familiar with OpenSUSE MicroOS, GUIX, NixOS.

    Interesting. So, you never heard of Fedora CoreOS, Fedora Silverblue, Fedora Kinoite, uBlue, Aurora, Bazzite and Bluefin?

    ANYWAY, all this immutable talk is anyway pointless, because I was talking about general distributions and not a discussion about immutable distros.

    On the topic which distro adopted what first, my confusion did stem from by what context. As I tried to make clear with my confusion about fedora not being rolling release.

    Thank you for clearing that up!

    To cut all this talk short here my answer to your question:

    Finally 😜.

    The default value of OpenSUSE Tumbleweed is pretty strong because

    Thank you for your answer! First of all, regardless of which distro you would have chosen, I would have respected your answer. Though, depending on your answer, I could have definitely judged you for it 😂. Thankfully, however, you’ve shown to have great taste; openSUSE Tumbleweed is indeed a formidable distro. Unfortunately, I’d argue it’s (somehow) underrated and underappreciated; which is really a pity for how excellent of a distro it is. I hope it will garner a bigger audience, because it simply deserves better. Regardless, openSUSE Tumbleweed is definitely a top contender for best traditional distro IMO and I might have been daily driving it were it not for ‘immutable’ distros.

    Secondly, while I agree with you generally, I can’t deny that the total package deal specifically is what makes openSUSE Tumbleweed special. So, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

    • rolling release

    Rolling release distros aren’t that rare by themselves. And, as even Arch is an independent distro with a rolling release cycle, it becomes very hard to regard this selling point as unique.

    • zypper having sane args for regular tasks (install, search etc.)

    zypper’s args/syntax don’t seem very different from dnf and apt in terms of saneness. But, if this is a selling point for you, what prevents dnf (which is found on Fedora) from being a selling point for you?

    • btrfs as default filesystem

    Fedora also ships Btrfs by default, though TIL that Btrfs was first adopted by openSUSE. But, once again, this begs the question why this isn’t a selling point (according to you) when it’s found on Fedora?

    • optimal snapper integration which leads into

    Snapper also seems to be properly integrated on the derivatives of other distros; e.g. Garuda, Siduction and SpiralLinux to name a couple. So, again, this selling point doesn’t seem unique.

    • making a rolling release distro suitable for non-technical people/daily usage without fear of regular updates

    Excellent. This is openSUSE Tumbleweed’s USP (if it’s combined with the fact that it’s a well-funded independent distro, great security standards et cetera et cetera). And if this is precisely what you seek from your distro, then openSUSE Tumbleweed is what you rightfully should stick to.

    But this is just a general recommendation for “distros”.

    Fair. I’m not necessarily opposed to it.

    If the requirements get more specific it makes much more sense to make proper recommendations.

    Interesting. Like, in which cases would you recommend something else for example?

    dino ,

    Interesting. So, you never heard of Fedora CoreOS, Fedora Silverblue, Fedora Kinoite, uBlue, Aurora, Bazzite and Bluefin?

    Silverblue yes, rest no.

    Snapper also seems to be properly integrated on the derivatives of other distros; e.g. Garuda, Siduction and SpiralLinux to name a couple. So, again, this selling point doesn’t seem unique.

    I have no clue how that is done on those distros, never tried any of those. I just know that it is even “hard” to replicate the configuration of snapper on a system like Void Linux. But that might also stem from my lack of knowledge. At least the guides I found didn’t provide the same result.

    Interesting. Like, in which cases would you recommend something else for example?

    I am glad you also think highly of Tumbelweed, but I think it has the disadvantage of not having such an amazing documentation as other distros. If you stumble upon something and are looking for a fix online, you won’t find as much resources for it as there are for debian based distros for example.

    All in all, I have to thank you for this amazing exchange. I think this is one of the most friendly and informative exchanges I had on lemmy so far. :)

    poki ,

    Thank you, once again, for the reply!

    I just know that it is even “hard” to replicate the configuration of snapper on a system like Void Linux.

    Yeah lol 😅. It’s definitely a blessing when it’s setup by default. For example, while Fedora Atomic does come with a built-in rollback mechanism through rpm-ostree, Fedora does actually not. Hence, Fedora users are often interested to set it up themselves. And then, they find this gargantuan guide 😂.

    But that might also stem from my lack of knowledge. At least the guides I found didn’t provide the same result.

    To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if openSUSE Tumbleweed’s implementation is simply better. At least, it would make sense if that were the case. So, I will give you that 😉.

    but I think it has the disadvantage of not having such an amazing documentation as other distros.

    Fair. Fedora’s documentation isn’t that great either 😅. Though, in that regard, I’d argue only Arch and Gentoo have excellent documentation. Granted, I suppose that’s a prerequisite if the distro claims to be unopinionated; which both of them do while Fedora and openSUSE don’t.

    If you stumble upon something and are looking for a fix online, you won’t find as much resources for it as there are for debian based distros for example.

    I agree. But, for Debian (and Ubuntu), I feel their documentation isn’t necessarily better. Instead, their user base is simply more substantial. Hence, there’s a pretty good chance that someone has experienced the same issues before you did. And thus, it’s easier to find resources on the internet to help with troubleshooting.

    All in all, I have to thank you for this amazing exchange.

    I feel the same. Thank you! And I would also like to thank you for being patient with me 😅. I have got the tendency to write very long answers and not everyone appreciates those 😅. I even noticed how you weren’t particularly appreciative in this interaction. So, to be honest, I was very happy when you messaged me back earlier today. I really appreciate you for that!

    I think this is one of the most friendly and informative exchanges I had on lemmy so far. :)

    Thank you for being you! I am really grateful for these wholesome and sweet compliments!

    Sometimes, I question if it’s worth pursuing these conversations. But, thankfully, exchanges like these make it worthwhile. My fate in humanity has just been rekindled. From the bottom of my heart, thank you 😊!

    possiblylinux127 ,

    Not true at all. For one dnf is very solid which is why many organizations like RHEL. Also Fedora has recent packages but still has stability and is willing to test new ideas. They also are very secure.

    dino ,

    How does that contradict what I wrote? I even mentioned RHEL…

    therealjcdenton , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    Fedora sounds like a redditor distro. That’s why I never recommend it

    stoy , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    There was a time when I thought about switching to Fedora when I ditch Windows in 2025, but the frequent release schedule of Fedora has made me worried if those updates risk breaking my setup.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    It will break a little but I’ve never had anything crazy major. If you are worried either run Linux Mint or update to the next version of Fedora a month after release. Also Fedora doesn’t ever release releases on time.

    gkpy , in Open-Source Video Editor 'OpenShot' Gets 'Game-Changer' Update

    i wonder why we have so many foss video editors. i get if there were multiple implementations to serve KDE / Gnome but it’s insane that all of them have some kind of bugs or fall short of having the features somebody trying to leave the commercial ones behind would want…

    • openshot
    • kdenlive
    • shotcut
    • flowblade
    • pitivin

    as far as i’m aware there’s only one gimp and i would have guessed photo editing to be more simple than video editing

    accideath ,

    And gimp is still terrible, while, in my limited experience, kdenlive is very useable.

    gkpy ,

    yeah kdenlive is probably the best one, i had some ui bugs in the recent past which made it unusable because panels would just have black text on black background :/

    i really want to like flowblade, but i assume they need some more dev time to get there

    accideath ,

    Had that as well on macOS. Problem went away when I switched the system from dark mode to light mode (or the other way round, don’t remember). But generally, I have to use Premiere for work anyways. For personal projects I prefer DaVinci Resolve though because, in my experience, it’s the most stable and performs the best of any program I’ve tried.

    boredsquirrel ,
    @boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

    There are Krita and Pinta too

    gkpy ,

    aren’t those more drawing apps and less photo editing?

    boredsquirrel ,
    @boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

    Yes, but often alternatives.

    lemmyreader , 
    
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    bruhduh ,
    @bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

    True true, photo editing needs to catch up, also 3d cad software, there’s only freecad in 3d field

    mindbleach ,

    Situation: there are 14 competing editors.

    ikidd ,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    Editing people are opinionated and capable of programming.

    Olap , in bash coding standards?

    github.com/bash-lsp/bash-language-server

    • pretty much all editors support LSP these days
    t0mri OP ,

    Yeah, I have bash ls installed, but it wont teach me coding standards right

    ivn ,

    Bash LSP server can use shellcheck and shfmt but you have to install those manually.

    t0mri OP ,

    It can do that!? Thats awesome

    ivn ,

    github.com/bash-lsp/bash-language-server#dependen…

    Ohh , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    I consider myself long time noob ;)

    Fedora for me because it’s rock solid, has cutting edge software, excellent documentation.

    I,ve been updating the same installation more than 15 times i think.

    Against: selinux is often overlooked when following guides written for Debian / ubuntu. So sometimes you pull out your hair.

    On the other hand. Podman is supposedly the new favorite kid on the block. Fedora is on the front here

    Telorand ,

    Podman, from what I can tell, is the result of people wanting a wishlist of fixes/upgrades from Docker and being met with hostility at the notion.

    …redhat.com/…/how-to-run-systemd-in-a-container#e…

    LeFantome ,

    Largely true but Red Hat also wanted to control their own cloud / container stack.

    Cloud is a big part of why IBM paid so many billions for Red Hat to begin with.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    That is not really the case. They are totally separate with different designs. Also podman is way more performant with less overhead. It also runs per user which is nice for least privilege.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    Selinux should just work

    mryessir , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    Never have I ever successfully updated a fedora system. It was always a reinstall.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    Really? I have successfully updated for years. Did you use offline upgrades?

    mryessir ,

    I can’t honestly recall or put my finger on it what I did wrong.

    Choose fedora because it used my laptop subwoofer and wasn’t a rolling release. I remember each time (x2) reading about how to update the distro and each time my system was completely borked. I went to debian, read upon alsa, made my subwoofer work with a homegrown script and never looked back.

    To this day I am wondering if people recommending redhat are trolls or paid.

    RedNight , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    I’ve been having a tough time with it. Maybe I’m unlucky with my hardware and setup. Spend hours this week recovering from a black screen after upgrading to F40. Issue with Plymouth + Nvidia + Luks at boot. Also getting Nvidia to work on F39, my first install. Secondary computer (laptop) macbook 2017, keyboard doesn’t work with Fedora compared to Linux Mint.

    I’d recommend Linux Mint for beginners after my experiences. imho

    poki ,

    Nvidia can be a bitch. And it’s unfortunate that Fedora isn’t particularly well known for handling that graciously.

    I’d recommend Linux Mint for beginners after my experiences.

    Absolutely fair. FWIW, if you ever feel like giving Fedora another chance, consider doing it through its derivative (i.e. Bazzite).

    princessnorah ,
    @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Thanks for the recommendation, I just installed Bazzite. Had been trialling LMDE but found it frustratingly lacking. No Driver Manager on that edition made NVIDIA drivers a nightmare. Meanwhile that’s handled in Bazzite and it has a shortcut to install Moonlight? Awesome.

    poki ,

    You’re welcome 😊!

    I agree that Bazzite is very very good. So much so, that it’s the first distro I recommend in person.

    Enjoy 😉!

    Telorand ,

    One of these days, I’ll have to give Universal Blue a look for general computing. Bazzite is excellent, but I don’t imagine my MiL is going to care about having Steam and gamescope installed out of the box, should I ever have to do a fresh install for her.

    poki ,

    I understand. And to be frank, I agree with you that perhaps it’s too much focused on a particular set of things (i.e. gaming).

    There’s also Aurora and Bluefin (see uBlue’s website) for those that seek a very similar experience but without the focused-on-gaming part. The reason I prefer Bazzite over those two is related to Waydroid (i.e. software to run Android (apps) on Linux). However, your mileage may vary.

    Finally, uBlue used to dedicate resources and documentation on their base images; i.e. relatively not-opinionated images for Silverblue, Kinoite and Fedora Atomic with basically any desktop environment you could imagine plus hardware enablement. These are perhaps still worth considering. However, personally, I’ve been having a better time on Aurora/Bazzite/Bluefin.

    Telorand ,

    I always forget about Aurora and Bluefin. Thanks for the reminder!

    LeFantome ,

    Things should get a lot better with NVIDIA soon in distros like Fedora that want to stick with only open software.

    Cube6392 , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    Its not a good noob distro. Its a test bed development distro. There are going to be things in Fedora that are broken on account of those things being in development. I believe there’s a rolling release now which improves the lack of long term releases, but for a long time trying to auto upgrade between point releases was a fast track to the very worst time of your life.

    Then there’s the question of whether or not its association with Redhat and IBM makes it a safe choice long term given that they’ve gone full hostile. I just don’t see the benefit to going with Fedora as a noob instead of something designed for noobs like LMDE

    Brickardo , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    I tried it, but Firefox didn’t play some videos. As it turns out, it was an issue with non open source codecs. I’m not helping anyone navigate those issues, I’d rather point them out to a ready to go kind of distribution.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    I just tell them to google first thing to do after installing Fedora and say “follow the guide except ‘fastest mirror’ just ignore.” Hasn’t failed anyone yet, and since I didn’t have anyone to help me it is what I did when I was new, except I’ve learned the fastest mirror part since then, so I pass along that knowledge.

    Actually I think I may try and write up a script that’ll do all this for them, and make it even easier. I already have like half of it in my “new install” script but they don’t need all my packages.

    xyguy ,

    There are several things like that in Fedora, which is already a good reason not to recommend it to first timers. They most likely won’t know or care about nonfree codecs, they will just see a broken machine. Linux Mint understands that as a use case and has a “magic make it work” checkbox during install.

    That all being said, I run Nobara and love it, but i wouldn’t recommend it for new people.

    CarbonScored ,
    @CarbonScored@hexbear.net avatar

    As a daily Fedora user, this is annoying. I totally support the push for open-source, but enabling RPM Fusion on new installs to do standard stuff is a royal pain in the butt that will immediately turn off new users.

    ArcaneSlime , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    I do recommend Fedora. It’s what I started on (besides tails) and after a couple years I’ve moved to FedoraKDE.

    I_Miss_Daniel , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    Because it can’t hibernate? (But then, not sure which distros can.)

    zaphodb2002 ,

    I run Bazzite, which is Fedora Atomic, that hibernates just fine. In fact, so far it’s the only one that does. Arch and Mint both would never come back from sleep.

    Bogusmcfakester ,

    Been running bazzite for about a month and.ooving it but, for me, it does not wake from sleep ever. Easily the most frustrating thing about switching to Linux so far

    zaphodb2002 ,

    Huh. Might be hardware and I got lucky. I do agree that hibernate on Linux is mostly terrible, though I have had plenty of issues with it in Windows too. I think hibernate mostly just sucks

    jjlinux ,
    @jjlinux@lemmy.ml avatar

    That has not been the case anymore for months. We have 3 different Fedora Workstation 40 computers/laptops and 1 Nobara laptop, and they all sleep and hibernate just fine, and wake up just as well.

    I_Miss_Daniel ,

    Ok.

    It’s not an option out if the box for me on Fedora 40 but maybe it’s because I started on 39 and upgraded later.

    jrgd ,

    On my Fedora KDE install on 40, hibernate is now an available power option. The install has been in upgrade cycles since 35 at this point. I would imagine that barring different DEs showing different power options being a possibility, it is more on detecting hardware compatibility for functional hibernation.

    jjlinux ,
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    Since Fedora 37 I had issues waking up from sleep and hibernation only on my laptop with an NVIDIA card, never on my 2 Ryzen PCs.

    Since Fedora 40 it works everywhere now. I’ve always been on Gnome, so that could be a factor as well.

    potajito , in Why does nobody here ever recommend Fedora to noobs?

    I wouldn’t recommend fedora plain, but the ublue atomic spins are great. Really solid lots of choices (use case, DE, hardware…) personally I use bazzite on the desktop and aurora on the laptop.

    zaphodb2002 ,

    Yes, this is my go to nowadays for all my family and friends. Atomic makes it harder for them to break it and everything just works out of the box.

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