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grue , in What's the longest you've stayed on a distribution?

I’ve only really used Gentoo, Debian and Ubuntu (in that order!), each for years at a time over the past two decades. I suppose it shows how progessively fewer fucks I give about the inner workings of the system.

I also tried to install a copy of… TurboLinux 6, I think? that I got from a Ham Radio swap meet as a kid sometime in the '90s, but I never got it to work.

moldyringwald , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?
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It's insanely stable but you have to have a lot of linux/programming knowledge to do even the simplest things like installing/updating your software or making little tweaks. I played with it for hours the other day and I'm just too dumb to figure it out lol I think it's just a super stable highly customizable distro for power users and a lot of people like that. If you can get over the learning curve it's a pretty powerful and unique os

Chobbes ,

It’s kind of funny because I’d put NixOS on a complete newbies computer for sure, and recommend it to an expert… But I’m less sure if I’d tell a random mid-intermediate Linux user to switch.

Like if Grandma wants Linux on their computer to do some internet browsing for some reason… I’d absolutely put NixOS on it because it’s easy to manage the system for them… But somebody who is a little familiar with Linux already might be more confused about the differences. It’s kind of the ultimate beginner distro and the ultimate power-user distro, but a bit awkward between those extremes, haha.

JRepin , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?
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I tried it about a year ago and I don’t know it did not convince me. Yeah it might be great for some niche developer oriented needs or deployment but for a normal OS usage, meh. I kind of see it as a current hype, just like crypto/NFT before, and AI now. For normal everyday usage I find openSUSE Tumblweed much more suitable and much more widely applicable.

choroalp ,

Its getting better which each release

hyperspace , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?
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What about Nix's financial issues? Have they been resolved yet?

Atemu ,
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To get it out of the way first: There are no financial issues. There are more than enough funds to continue operations as they are for a sufficiently long time.

What is actually happening is that a long time sponsor has indicated that they (understandably) no longer want to foot the huge bill of hosting the entire archive of binary caches ($9000/mo). Finding a more sustainable setup is what the community is currently concerned with.
There is no risk of operations shutting down any time soon, the NixOS foundation has funds set aside to continue even this unsustainable setup for at least a year. We just want to be more efficient with our and others resources going forwards.

That’s what all this you might have heard of is about.

Btw, even if the binary cache were to go poof, we don’t technically need it. NixOS is a source-based distro like Gentoo and source hosting is not a concern. The binary cache is immensely helpful though which is why we’d obviously prefer to keep it.

choroalp ,

I think AWS Gave them 12 months of free credit to host cache

Atemu ,
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Yes, AWS gracefully sponsored 12 months of our S3 bill which gives us even more time to enact change.

That’s just the short term resolution though, the Nix community is still looking into more sustainable long-term solutions.

root ,

$9,000/mo? Have you considered not using the most ridiculously expensive method possible?

root ,

Thinking about this further…

I can purchase 10GE fiber, at home, for $299/mo.

I can purchase a solid 16 bay Supermixro server for around $5k

16TB drives are $168. There’s $3,700 left so let’s buy 21 drives (336TB, 235TB usable under raidz3 zfs). We’ll leave that last $170 for … electricity.

Leasing all of this from a regular hosting provider woul be much more cost effective. I work for one, what the heck are you doing man?

Atemu ,
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You aren’t a reputable public hoster with AWS-class uptime. That has a price too. AWS is likely overpriced though, hence the nix community still looking for better alternatives.

Atemu ,
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the Nix community is still looking into more sustainable long-term solutions.

Atemu ,
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Yes, AWS gracefully sponsored 12 months of our S3 bill which gives us even more time to enact change.

That’s just the short term resolution though, the Nix community is still looking into more sustainable long-term solutions.

socphoenix , in Not a happy review from Distrowatch...

This feels like the reviewers expected Debian to create their own desktop environment between releases or something. The point of Debian has always been a stable experience, not to be flashy.

datendefekt , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?
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Glancing over the website, I thought it’s an immutable OS, like Fedora Silverblue. I could imagine that it might be cool to use with Ansible and stuff. But for an average user? I can’t really see the advantages in respect to the work you have to put in.

nani8ot ,

It is an immutable distro, altough it isn’t image-based like Fedora’s rpm-ostree.

NixOS basically replaces Ansible because the Nix package manager achieves the same goals already (configuration, deployment, …).

But I agree, the work necessary to put into this non-standard distro makes it hard to recommend for a casual user.

quantenzitrone ,

NixOS is not immutable in the way Fodora Silverblue is, and way more declarative and reproducible than Ansible. But yeah it is not something you “need”. Other distros work too, but NixOS is way more fun.

Herbstzeitlose , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?

Because it’s the latest Cool Nerd Thing™ like Arch before it, and Gentoo before that. Most of the people raving about it probably don’t have much use for its features.

IDe ,

The features themselves are very useful for basically any user. Whether they are worth the non-standardness and issues that come with it is another question.

Tilted , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?

I used NixOS for a couple of years. My experience is like this:

  1. It is a rolling release (mostly)
  2. You write a declarative configuration for your system, e.g., my config will say I want Neovim with certain plugins, and I can also include my Neovim configuration
  3. It is stable, and when it breaks it is easy to go back
  4. Packages are mostly bleeding edge
Atemu ,
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Note that there’s both the rolling unstable channel and a bi-annual stable release channel.

priapus ,

Important to note that NixOS has both a rolling release and point release version.

JASN_DE , in Why many people are switching to NixOS ?

everyone

Now that’s what I’d call a stretch…

L0Wigh OP ,

I’ll edit. That was clearly a stretch

barsoap ,

Indeed, why would I switch, already have been running NixOS for 10+ years.

wiki_me , in Pat Gelsinger & Linus Torvalds Talk Linux, Open Source, Technology & More

Anybody want to provide a TL;DW?

shreddy_scientist OP ,
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TLDW: Open source or nothing, but if your project is the first to truly blow up, you need to make git.

bbbhltz , in What are your favorite DE's that you use on laptop?
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If you haven’t tried them, I recommend giving them a try. They all have something to offer.

I don’t use Gnome, for example. People knock on it a bit BUT a large group of people swear by it for workflow.

KDE Plasma is the dream for anyone who likes to tweak settings. I used it on my laptop for a long time and it is very convenient. It also manages power and monitor settings very well. In terms of memory usage it is now similar to XFCE.

XFCE is perfect for people who don’t like change. It is a slow moving DE; tried and true.

Right now I am using LXQt. Not sure why I decided to do that. It looks ok. It is fast and light. That’s it’s claim to fame. It can be used with different WMs which is nice.

Are there any particular DE’s you like on a laptop, because of things like power consumption and efficiency that would not come normally into consideration for a desktop?

I can’t say I’ve ever looked into it. But, I found that KDE handled things very well. I used my laptop for full workdays, getting 11 hours out of it.

tsl , in What's the longest you've stayed on a distribution?

I’ve settled on Ubuntu in 2008, but jumped between Gnome, KDE, Unity and LXDE. Then I got a Steam Deck last year and it became my main machine, so now I am not only with its Arch based OS, but I a secondary Arch SD card that I occasionally boot, if I need something not immediately available in SteamOS.

Servers? Debian Since 2019.

megatroid_skittles , in What's the longest you've stayed on a distribution?
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I’ve been on Yggdrasil Linux since 1993. Now, get off my lawn, you punks!

Glome , in What's the longest you've stayed on a distribution?

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It's surprisingly stable for a rolling release distro.

michael ,
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Yes, I was a distro hopper up until I tried Tumbleweed for the first time. Been using it for two years now, hopped around for a year prior.

ClarkNova , in What's the longest you've stayed on a distribution?
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Workstation: Ubuntu approximately 18 years. (2004)

Servers: Debian approximately 25 years. (1998)

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