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zero_spelled_with_an_ecks ,

There’s a type of person that thinks Joe Rogan is clever because they agree with him.

ShinkanTrain ,

Let’s assume for a moment that somehow your salad was conscious. That’s an even bigger reason not to eat an animal that has to be fed on plants for a long time.

aniki ,

Do y’all not eat vegetables too?

Blackout ,
@Blackout@fedia.io avatar

Their fault for dressing so sexy

RizzRustbolt ,

Everything that is, is alive.

hellfire103 ,

“Know” is a stretch. Plants respond to attack by releasing chemicals (e.g. nettles and grasses), curling or retracting their leaves (e.g. acacia), or by changing their morphology (e.g. holly); but they have no nervous system - let alone a brain - so it’s not like you’re killing an animal.

prettybunnys ,

Plants having no nervous system is being challenged with the idea that the plant itself is its central nervous system.

They react to stimulus, they emit sounds (different ones when in “pain”), and communicate with each other.

They don’t have consciousness in a way we understand

I dont mean this as a “dunk” but more of a how neat is that

hellfire103 ,

Huh, neat.

theyoyomaster OP ,
LordGimp ,

It’s always funny to me how people eat up the concept of a distrubuted neural network in tech but scoff at the same idea applying to something like a tree or a fungus.

Pando is the largest organism by area, and the Humungous Fungus is the largest by mass. The idea that those organisms don’t “think” in some way is laughable.

MotoAsh ,

“In some way” is doing A LOT of heavy lifting there. … although in the general sense, agreed.

Especially given how many outright wrong or otherwise assinine conclusions some “thinking” animals come to… Perhaps communicative consciousness is overrated on the intelligence scale.

Leate_Wonceslace ,
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We can’t say that brains are required for a mind to exist; we have no way of knowing.

0x0 ,

Isn’t that how we justified boiling Crayfish alive though?

MotoAsh ,

Some misguided monsters, yes.

ChicoSuave ,

They have the knowledge and are doing something about it. If other plants can send out this chemical by observing it themselves, that sounds like a reaction from a communication. It may not be cognition like we expect but it is behaving like cognition would. Hard to argue that plants don’t know or care of their friends start dying.

hellfire103 ,

Hey, it’s fine by me if you want to become a fruitarian.

MonkderVierte ,

Are vegans fine with fish? Seafood?

BlueMagma ,

No, vegans aren’t eating fish or seafood.

hellfire103 ,

Some of them eat oysters, or so I’m told. They lack a brain and centralised nervous system.

jaggedrobotpubes ,

Peak ambiguity.

Kolanaki ,
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We don’t know how consciousness works enough to say they don’t. Having a brain and/or nervous system might not be necessary.

They don’t have muscles either, but some plants are known to uproot themselves and fucking move.

Banichan ,
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Those poor cats. Vegans shouldn’t be allowed to own meat.

Makeshift ,

Dogs taste better anyways. Can’t beat a good Elwood’s steak!

shalafi ,
Glytch ,

That website is confusing, it doesn’t let you order any dog meat. It also seems to assume I would have a problem with the product? Is that a strategy to make me want it more?

naught ,

I am mostly vegan and my cat and dog eat mostly meat 🖕

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