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soulifix , in "It has to be Chromium"

I have a vendetta against Chromium because of Valve having to cease support for older OSes. They did that because of Chromium being built into the Steam client.

beefcat ,
@beefcat@lemmy.world avatar

Firefox 115 is the last version to support Windows 7, so Valve using Gecko instead of Blink wouldn’t have made a difference here. Maybe it’s time to move on from a 14 year old operating system on the internet with known zero-day exploits that aren’t going to get patched.

HKayn ,
@HKayn@dormi.zone avatar

Firefox is also going to stop supporting Windows 7, are you going to develop a vendetta against it too?

Older OSes are unsupported for a reason.

Willer , in "It has to be Chromium"

Chromium is OSS so it is fine.

Xylight ,
@Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev avatar

If I wrote some malware and published it to GitHub, would that make it safe?

deepinder_brar , in "It has to be Chromium"

What about brave ???

Photographer ,

I heard bad things specifically about brave recently, can’t recall the details

ProfezzorDarke ,
Cybermass , in Worry

Jesus fucking Christ please tell me this is fake

samus12345 ,
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TheSaneWriter , in never buying this again
@TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com avatar

On the one hand, sushi is delicious. On the other hand, I don’t like parasites and raw meat is one of the most common sources of them. This I think is one of the fundamental conflicts of humanity.

halferect ,

At least in the US all sushi grade fish is required to be flash frozen which removes the risk of parasites

Ducks ,
@Ducks@ducks.dev avatar

Of live ones, anyway

hungryphrog ,

Mmm tasty dead worms…

cley_faye , in "It has to be Chromium"

I’ll keep avoiding firefox as long as they keep pushing weird decision with each update, the latest one being forcing “pocket recommendation” on the new tab page, even if the built-in (that is, you can’t remove it) pocket extension is disabled. Sure, I can go look for the new advanced parameter to disable every time, but why pull this shit in the first place.

lauha ,

What are those? I have never seen pocket recommendation.

dudewitbow ,

Cant you say that about chrome pushing weird decisions like manifest v3.

cley_faye ,

You can, but there’s a big difference : the average user (=the vast majority of people) will not see the difference. In some tech circles, or if you’re actively looking for it, you’ll know that it happens, and what it might (or might not) do, but 90% of people will not see a change. User interface remain the same, features remains the same, and extensions that could adapt will already have done so.

Firefox choices, for better or for worse, are very visible. The pocket extension was bundled in it, making it so that everyone have it show up one day. It being named after a (formerly) third-party service is not a good look. Then the new-tab page suggestions, which I can only see as an intrusive way to push content onto me (something I actively try to avoid, the samy way many “social network” keep pushing what their algorithms think is good for you). Add to that some decisions about actively ignoring user settings (and page content) about PDF handling, subsequently breaking tons of SPA because “they know better” (there was a long discussion, and the change was half-reverted once big enough sites showed issues).

The list could go on, ranging from “interesting” UI choices to bundling more and more advertisement for their own service, only to backpedal later with “oh, we didn’t think it would annoy people to do the exact thing you’re running from other browsers for”.

Chrome changes might be insidious, but they have limited impact to the actual users. Mozilla keeps changing Firefox in very glaring ways and not always with a sound reasons, user-wise. One could argue that these changes are all minor, but they do act as a deterrent for people that really can’t handle changes (remember, for most people changing the icon on a button is enough to make a feature “disappear” for them).

dudewitbow ,

I’d argue crippling what ublock origin is caple of doing is very crippling to the end user experience. Accepting a cippled ublock is similar to accepting the change when adblock plus white listed some ads.

cley_faye ,

Again, factor in the number of people knowingly using ublock, and actively looking into what changed vs. what still works fine for now. Manifest v3 have no reach beyond techies, and as such is “accepted” by default. Remember that most people are totally fine with these changes because the larger picture is not shown to them.

hoshikarakitaridia , (edited ) in "It has to be Chromium"

Appearently brave is the most privacy focused browser. At least according to this paper from 3y ago.

www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/…/browser_privacy.pdf

Edit: guys I know that Brave is not the best browser and I wouldn’t recommend it, but I haven’t seen studies or in depth articles about technical details of privacy concerns.

And I’m not being sarcastic, I wanna see them so I can make a more informed opinion.

ericisshort ,

Not sure if you’re making a joke or if you’re just unaware about the recent news, but it’s amusing either way.

BastingChemina ,

So chromium. Brave is based on chromium.

JackbyDev ,

No. There are tracking protection extensions in Brave that aren’t in base Chromium.

I don’t support Brave or Chromium but we need to be accurate about praises and criticisms of them.

BuboScandiacus , in "It has to be Chromium"
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Librewolf*

SmoothSurfer ,

You and I, we are same

lunicoDee ,

Also me. Mull + Librewolf combo, portmaster and etc/hosts to block adware, malware and nsfw. I feel free.

miss_brainfart ,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

And a pihole for the other people on my network who can’t quite let go of some apps and services.

After a weekend where the whole family was there, my pihole displayed that 57% of all connections where blocked.

57%

No one complained about anything not working.

57% of all connections were completely and utterly unnecessary to the actual services that were being used.

That is just wild.

Awri , in "It has to be Chromium"

For anyone considering Firefox but still reluctant for reasons check out Waterfox. It’s been the best for me for years now. Honestly the best fork.

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

this feels like a joke lol

Pokethat , in We had a good run, thank you everyone

I remember the good old 4chan days when every 3rd post was about how “this is the cancer that is killing /b/” …

Which in hindsight was not wrong. It’s a husk of what it was. I fought with many a /b/tard in the great Tumblr wars. It was remnant of a more wild age, before the summer posters, before the psyops.

SmellyHamWallet , in "It has to be Chromium"

I committed to opera a long time ago and now I’m too many saved passwords deep on shit websites I’ve not visited in 4 years to make the change.

Deckname ,
@Deckname@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Let me help you and from there, you can import all your passwords into Keepass or KeepassXC

covenuz , in "It has to be Chromium"

Just wondering as a Mac user without much experience: how is Safari in terms of privacy compared to say Firefox?

sznowicki ,

IMO much better. It’s Apple product. You give your data to them anyway while using macOS or iOS so that’s one argument: no need to share your data with anyone else.
Apart of that they have built in tracking blockers and I think they fiddle with cookies because I get logged out from services more frequently than on other browsers that I use for web development.

Norgur ,

Wait... Your argument is "it's good for privacy because you sent your telemetry already anyway?

TheGreatFox ,
@TheGreatFox@lemmy.world avatar

You’re using an apple product, you didn’t have any privacy in the first place. Browser choice isn’t going to change that either way.

jack55555 ,

Do you have proof of this? For example with the payment info on Apple Pay. It is all encrypted, not even the side I’m buying from sees my address or credit card info.

SpaceNoodle ,

It’s the same with Google Wallet, too, so that doesn’t really demonstrate anything.

khajimak ,
@khajimak@lemmy.world avatar

Because Google is a bastion of privacy

corb3t ,

Wrong, Apple doesn’t just hand over their user’s data without a warrant like other vendors.

bob_wiley ,
@bob_wiley@lemmy.world avatar

Apple’s whole marketing angle is based on privacy to differentiate themselves from Google and the others. If they get caught doing something stupid it seems like that would cost them more than they would make from the stupid stuff.

I don’t have specific data on Safari, but Apple choosing to do pretty much all ML stuff on device and leave it there bodes well for their general thoughts on privacy when compared to pretty much every other company that wants to pull all that data back so it can be used for other things.

Viking_Hippie ,

Apple’s whole marketing angle is based on privacy to differentiate themselves from Google and the others. If they get caught doing something stupid it seems like that would cost them more than they would make from the stupid stuff.

You really believe that, don’t you?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d7482310-6711-4d0a-ade3-e58e1c1ee182.mp4

Quill7513 ,

Marketing angle, sure, but starting in 2019, Apple’s core MacOS product moved to selling users data to serve them better ads. They were only private for as long as they could attract new users with that. Now all they really have is “less privacy disrespecting than Windows 11 or ChromeOS”

corb3t ,

Eh, other vendors have been known to cooperative with police and government officials and hand over user data without a warrant - any evidence that’s been the case with Apple?

Quill7513 ,

privacyinternational.org/…/macos-opt-out-targeted…

Look in the system preferences app. There’s a whole section for opting out of Apple collecting advertising data about you. That’s the preferences app of the ENTIRE OS.

Meanwhile, Apple’s application APIs set advertisements as a core feature:

They may be letting you opt out for now, but this is an early phase of the enshittification cycle. First, they attracted users by promising privacy. Now they’re attracting advertisers by dangling in front of them an expanded user base. It won’t be long until Apple will make opting out more complicated and difficult because they think they can make more money selling more data to advertisers. They’ll do it slowly. Every time saying “they’re giving consumers more granular control over their privacy” when really they’re just “creating opt-outs for things you didn’t use to have to opt out of” or “creating opt-outs that used to be part of a larger opt out.” Someday will come “we’ve eliminated opt-outs” and eventually “here’s an advertising banner at the bottom of all default apps”

Gestrid ,

That’s the preferences app of the ENTIRE OS.

Well, at least it’s apparently all in one place instead of being scattered into several different apps’ settings like with Android. Android has its Privacy Dashboard, but, from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t begin to sufficiently cover privacy.

tram1 ,

If they get caught

Won’t get caught if it’s closed source…

ArugulaZ , in "It has to be Chromium"

Does it run better than it did fifteen years ago? Because that was the reason I switched to Chrome.

jherazob ,
@jherazob@kbin.social avatar

Significantly

0Xero0 OP ,
@0Xero0@lemmy.world avatar

of course not, it hasn’t been updated for FIFTEEN YEARS and definitely didn’t even get an engine upgrade in 2017 let alone a new version half a month ago and a hotfix last week

Chadus_Maximus ,

2 years ago YouTube stuttered like a motherfucker whenever I moved my mouse. Doesn’t do that anymore so yes.

starman ,
@starman@programming.dev avatar

Google products are intentionally slower on firefox

Chadus_Maximus ,

What about other chromium browsers?

dudewitbow ,

No effect, bevause youtube uses an outdated version of Shadow DOM, which only chromium based browsers have installed. It then makes browsers like Firefox and pre chromium edge start youtube terribly.

LetMeEatCake ,

Yes. In fact, I’d say that Firefox runs clearly better than Chrome does these days. An inversion of the past.

ugh ,

I switched from Chrome to Firefox somewhat recently. The experience really isn’t any different, except Firefox doesn’t use 110% of your CPU.

I have a ton of privacy extensions which causes a few issues when creating accounts by linking to your Google account (the pop-up is blocked) or opening redirect links to apps (I think it’s only Discord that I’ve had an issue with). I don’t consider those drawbacks because the browser is doing its job. Instead, I go copy and paste the link in Chrome.

AdventureSpoon ,

A hell of a lot smoother than chrome

ciko22i3 , in "It has to be Chromium"
@ciko22i3@sopuli.xyz avatar

Is there a firefox based browser like brave? And preferably without cryptobro bullshit?

I heard mullvad is looking promising but no android app (yet?)

miss_brainfart , (edited )
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Assuming you mean built-in adblock and so on, Librewolf on the Desktop and the Mull Browser on Android. The latter is the default browser for DivestOS, a custom rom based on LineageOS.

Well, Mull doesn’t have a buil-in blocker, but you can use uBlock Origin

Designate6361 , in "It has to be Chromium"

Brave is on of the few Chrome based browsers that security types will back. but still has its own issues.

outdated_belated ,

C r y p t o

Tbh seems good enough for me, when I turn that stuff off

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