Shouldn’t an ethical human choose tools that do more good than harm? As long as an application does that, does it matter if it’s open source or not? The software we use in our daily lives is a personal choice and people shouldn’t be shamed for choosing a closed source application. Especially one created by an independent, craftsman software company. Sync, and other well-designed for-profit clients, benefit Lemmy, an open platform. That benefits all.
Let me add, many of us are social media refugees, fleeing exploitative and closed platforms like Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook. There is also nothing wrong with continually evaluating the closed source solutions we choose to prevent repeating past mistakes.
I don’t know about doing good or harm but I’ve used sync for reddit for years and years. The dev isn’t some big corporation and that’s generally enough for me. I’ll support them as long as their app has the experience that I prefer. I tried a few different apps until sync came out and I really gave them all a fair shot but none of them felt right. The fact that so many users bailed to Lemmy because Reddit broke third party apps and then turned around and got up people’s butts for using specific third party apps is kind of hilarious to me. A huge wave of users came here for sync etc and people are trying to push them away or bully them like reddit did? They might not be bullying for the same exact reason but it’s got the same vibe imo.
Ironically, from what I’ve seen the sync users have been way more radical than the “anti-sync” users.
Before you read this I cannot stress enough that I’m neutral in this, I’m just a little irritated that I’m now seeing this in basically every sub.
There’s been examples of the reverse from both sides, but the fact that I am now seeing this spam about pointless shit like this on shitpost is proof of this.
It is just an app, both of you. Sync dev should donate some profit (even as small as 1%) to Lemmy devs because his app relies on their software. App itself doesn’t have to be free but if it includes anti-features in the name of profits it is only fair, otherwise it is an exploitation of the GPL.
Lemmy being a FOSS project with no ads running, it is pretty much up to devs pockets, instances pockets, and donations to keep the project going. If the sync developer is going to make money off of an app that essentially serves as a gateway to this service, ethically speaking he should contribute to it considering the software itself is what even makes the app function. If Lemmy were to shutdown, the app would be useless.
Having been involved in the FOSS community for 18 years, the community heavily relies on the collaboration, contributions, and donations of those who partake in it. Without at least one of those things, the project dies, I have seen it hundreds of times now. Wherever you (all of you) may stand when it comes to FOSS, know that using Lemmy technically makes you a part of that community.
We will see if the people here are sane or not by watching the karma of this post. If it is negative then the people in this argument are blinded by unnecessary rage and need to cool it.
This makes me wonder what type of Iron Dome the US has developed. Of course it’s a much larger place, but also there’s much more time to intercept unless Canada or Mexico decide to launch some missiles
As a software engineer I find it miraculous the amount of people that whine about somebody wanting to get paid for putting weeks, months, and years of their life into a product 100s of thousands of people CHOOSE to use.
Have been using the Sync reddit app daily for years after paying a couple of quid to remove ads whenever I did that. Felt like a steal then and expensive now so, on balance, I’m comfortable having paid the ad randsome. I feel better knowing it all goes to the developer for his personal efforts.
My trust was already broken. These lemmy instances come free of charge, free of ads and free of trackers, and this pig of a dev comes around and pulls out an à la spez shenanigan and everyone praises him. He should be keelhauled. And the lemmy servers should block apps that insert ads unless they share profits. I’d be happy to pay for features that add to lemmy, not for features that were taken away. Fuck sync for lemmy. There, i said it
I’m confused. Are you suggesting a better way to monetize non-paying users or are you saying that the dev should make the app free for everyone to use without ads?
He should not add anti-features where there are none and then ask for money to remove them. That’s just being an asshole. He should ask for money for good features that lemmy lacks, not turn Lemmy into Reddit
If they demand payment for third party dev they wouldn’t be free open source anymore, your argument is asinine. If you don’t want to use a paid app then don’t, stop acting like someone else doing it is in some way hurting you personally.
Not getting into this argument because I personally don’t give a shit about the whole situation, but that isn’t really how FOSS works.
The software itself is free, the servers themselves are a service however. That is not free, it may be free to US, but somebody is footing the bill.
That being said, if the sync developer is developing an app for a platform that itself does not use ads and relies solely on donation, ethically speaking he should at least donate some of the profit to the Lemmy devs (even if just 1%), considering that the app DOES rely on their software and they themselves are not seeing any of those funds whatsoever. I have no problem with donations whatsoever, but keep in mind that it isn’t like sync is the greatest creation ever made and is totally self reliant, it 100% depends on Lemmy itself to function.
Whether he does or not doesn’t matter to me because jerboa works perfectly fine for me, but that is just my .02. People are really getting way too fucking heated about this shit and seeing it start to infect spaces like shitpost is honestly turning me off to Lemmy.
People are treating the app like the second coming of Christ FFS.
Correct, the use of the service at the moment is free the fee l third party creators are charging for their service in development of that particular interface. They’re free to do that.
Who says he doesn’t? You legit don’t know what deal they may or may not have, stop assuming.
Bro it’s shit post… What standards are you holding it to here lol.
No people are overdueing a joke as always on shit post and as usual people hop in and get way too serious about throwaway jokes.
If he is donating, then he should tell people that he is donating. The whole idea of “if you tell people of your goodwill then you undid your goodwill” is stupid. Yes, you shouldn’t do something good with the expectation of a reward, but that’s different when you are selling a product.
It’s not even just about goodwill, it is also about longevity of the platform.
However, considering the facts that he is running ads and charging for ad-free access, I doubt he is donating by default unless he specifically mentions it.
Also, I’m not holding any standard here, it’s just that like, shitpost is for actual shitposts. This isn’t a shitpost, it’s just starting another argument. It’s like the porn spam in /b/, there are other boards for that.
It’s also not just here, I’m seeing boards everywhere popping up with this argument. It is getting old.
Yes, it’s not my business, I’ve stated that I don’t care about this argument several times. I simply gave my .02. If you are profiting off of a FOSS project, you should atleast feel obligated to donate some of that money to the devs.
Why can’t you disclose donations (didn’t say anything about charity)? The entire point of charity isn’t supposed to “make you feel good” or make you seem better in the eyes of people, it is to support a project or cause at the end of the day, those are just side effects of donating.
Your statement on open source software is not really how it works. Yes, a dev could leave today, A dev. You think Lemmy was made by a single dev? And even then, like you said it is OPEN SOURCE. Somebody will fork it, and they will be the new person that you can support. You should absolutely support your favorite FOSS devs because they essentially work a second job for free. Yes, pay doesn’t create production, but it DOES create incentive to keep working on a project, potentially full time if enough come in. You know, like what the sync dev is doing?
If you can’t understand this, then I can’t understand your logic behind supporting sync.
crybabys throwing tantrums over jokes
Lol, what’s the joke here? Doesn’t seem like a joke to me. And you’re right, it IS a SHIT post, but this is a sub for shitposts. There is a difference you know.
go somewhere else dude, complaining yadayadayada
And which community exactly? The Sync community or the Lemmy community? All I said is that I’m fucking tired of seeing this stupid debate brought up everywhere (as I said, EVERYWHERE) by sync fanboys and sync haters. Those people are not the community, it’s LEMMY, not SYNC. There are communities specifically for this, go bitch and moan on those specific communities instead of infecting everything else with this ridiculous debate.
Literally all I’m saying is that the sync dev is going to be making a pretty decent chunk of change for essentially making a Lemmy front end that works on your phone. I don’t understand how you can think that “it’s okay to pay to remove ads and tracking” to support the dev but not think the same for the Lemmy devs. They literally fall flat on each other, if you believe that the sync dev shouldn’t at his own will donate a miniscule amount of money to the project, that logic could be applied to the app itself? Why wouldn’t you just use another app? Why would you use an app that includes ads and trackers unless you paid to remove them, over one that does the exact same thing for free?
People are getting way too heated over this. It is an app for fucks sake. If you are seriously this fanatical about a single app, you are terminally online and need to go outside. Even the 3rd party app debacle on reddit was less radical than this. I cannot even begin to understand the reasoning behind moving to Lemmy just to spend all of your time talking about an app, that you would normally use to talk about other things.
I’d say I’m still a fanatical arch (more Linux in general) user but I’ve learned to tone it down when it comes to trying to convert other people to using it.
I’ve found the “sowing the seeds” approach to be better to converting people to the Linux master race.
And “keelhauled”, really? You are advocating violence and criticising somebody for doing an app that people can choose to get or not. It’s hard, no impossible, to take you seriously
How do I give more money than I already have to this pig of a dev who made the Lemmy experience so great to me and countless others such that it is now in the top 10 social apps on the Play store?
I paid for Sync to toss some money to a dev responsible for the #1 used app on any of my phones for the last 10 years. I paid a criminally low amount back then for how much I used the app.
It happened to also come with ad removal, but I block those and trackers on my network anyway.
That’s where I’m at. Don’t care that it’s not FOSS or the Dev charges. I just wouldn’t support an app that puts trackers and ads on a product that inherently doesn’t. Putting it behind a paywall wouldn’t bother me a bit.
That said, that’s why I don’t use it nor support it but don’t give a shit if someone else does.
Same. I’m very grateful for the FOSS options, they’re like a public option. They create a baseline that paid apps have to surpass, but there’s nothing wrong with devs getting paid for their work and that payment shouldn’t have to be at the whims of donations. I view it as more choice and more choice is good. This is a small dev on an open platform that can’t lock out FOSS options. It’s not a mega corp building a monopoly. Sync is not hurting anyone by being a paid option.
The way i look at is if you give me a good app(sync) with good functionality and a nice ui I don’t mind seeing ad’s or throwing some money the devs way.
My big issue with the reddit app was there was no equivalent exchange going on i had a shitty app with awful ui that was buggy slow showed me adds and tracked my data I didn’t get anything from that so I had to stop.
And it’s a very high quality app, to boot. I’ve been a mobile software engineer for more than a decade and this level of polish doesn’t just happen by accident
After Sync released I tried even more other Lemmy clients because of all the other recommendations in the Sync discussion threads, and there are definitely a lot of great Lemmy apps.
But as an old Sync (for Reddit) user myself I also get the feeling of familiarity using the Sync Lemmy app, with the customizability to even adjust what each “step” of the swiping gestures does, while using other Lemmy apps I mostly feel like I’m locked to “getting used to the app”. So I understand why some people are so happy to use Sync again.
That being said I do agree that it feels expensive to pay even for ad-less, and people may not like that the free version has ads. I will probably pay just for ad-less (not Ultra) once I have figured out if I like any of the other Lemmy apps better (or not.)
I tried Infinity too, while I miss swiping to upvote and reply to comments, the swipe to move between previous/next posts was interesting, so I’ll have to test it more to see if I like it!
Ah, found it now, thanks! I guess because swiping anywhere by default just went to the next post, I didn’t expect it to have an option for swiping the comments too.
Because that’s Jesus Land. The US has a large Christian population and the Jewish connections to the religion shapes their perception. I’m overgeneralizing a bit, but that’s the short answer.
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