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satanmat ,

I was denied because of child support

Um. Sigh. Yeah okay dude,

frickineh ,

I mean, that probably IS why they were denied. Anyone in arrears more than $2500 receives an initial letter saying to fix it within 90 days, and if they don’t, they get denied. In the state I live in, they don’t release the passport until the full balance is paid off. Other states might make payment plans. The venn diagram of sovcits and people who owe back support has a decent amount of overlap, so it wouldn’t be at all surprising if this person owes.

The Dept of State would normally either send them a regular ass passport, or a letter saying, “Your sovcit nonsense is nonsense, you can either get a regular ass passport, or we’re keeping your money and you get nothing,” but no point in that since this moron is probably not going to pay their past due support anyway.

waigl ,

I’m a bit surprised that that was the only reason, though. Why would you expect you could get a passport from a country that insist not to be a citizen of?

Also, “I authenticated my birth certificate to a non hague-convention country”? I’m having a bit of trouble deciphering exactly what that means, but it kinda sounds to me like they just admitted to, you know, forging their birth certificate…

frickineh ,

It’s not the only reason, just the first and easiest. Also, they can say they’re not citizens all day, but unless they legally revoke it (expensive and difficult without dual citizenship because no one wants to deal with a stateless person), the Department of State knows they are. They think that they’re citizens of the state in which they were born, and they want the passport American Samoans get, which is for American nationals, not citizens. They pretty much take real things that exist and try to twist them into whatever alternate reality they’re living in.

As for the birth certificate, I’m 99% sure what that means is that they requested an apostille. It’s basically a certificate signed by the (state level) secretary of state saying the document is authentic that’s attached to certain legal documents. It’s required by certain countries, so I’m assuming they said they need it for a non-Hague country and they think that does something a lot more interesting than just saying it’s a real birth certificate.

aramis87 ,

Let's be honest: he probably discovered SovCit idiotness because he was refusing to pay for support, and he probably wants to leave the country to avoid having his wages garnished ...

Kadaj21 ,

They said they weren’t a US citizen on the form…….but was applying for a passport that would state they were a US citizen???

deegeese ,

If they ever pay their child support, lack of US citizenship is the next reason down the list to reject their application.

Nithanim ,

I am as confused as you are. So basically, they want an official document to proof that they are a US citizen while not being one?

meco03211 ,

You might be familiar with their rants claiming to be an “American National”. This is differentiated from a “citizen” mostly by birth location. So a citizen is someone born to a US citizen parent or born in a US state. A “national” would likely be born in a US territory like American Samoa and Swain Island.

The below goes into further details.

govassist.com/…/us-nationals-vs-us-citizens-uncov…

I’m pretty sure US Nationals can get passports, but a true National likely wouldn’t be getting their info from a sovcit group.

Rhynoplaz ,

So, I’m trying to do this thing, and I completely shredded everything I need to do it. What’s my next move?

Reverendender , (edited )

These people are like 10 year olds baking in the kitchen for the first time. They throw everything into the cake that tastes good to them, with zero understanding of any of it, and expect it will turn out terrific

cizra ,

Citation needed. I have the opposite experience.

My kids actually did just that (they started at age 7, I believe) - and what they ended up fishing out of the oven was terrifically tasty. I think it mostly consisted of baby porridge, sweetened cocoa powder, and sweetened condensed milk.

FlyingSquid ,
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Take care of your fucking kids, asshole.

thefartographer ,

For the affidavit, you need to get a DI-1D0 and submit it directly to the Agency of Secure Systems.

RestrictedAccount ,

The other form that will work is the ID-10-T

69420 ,

I think you can get that form at the Department of Personal Enrichment.

CaptDust ,

I feel bad for the people just trying to get through their shift, having to deal with these dumbasses.

FlyingSquid ,
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SovCits make me feel bad for cops sometimes and I hate them for it.

aramis87 ,

pokes at list of non-Hague countries "Oh, the usual suspects: Afghanistan, Mali, Haiti - wtf?"

Does anyone know why Canada hasn't signed on to the Hague Convention?

GreyEyedGhost ,

Because adoptions are under provincial control, not federal, so the country didn’t sign a treaty for policies they have no authority over. Link for more info.

aramis87 ,

Hey, thanks - I appreciate the education!

GreyEyedGhost ,

Oh, no problem. My first thought was, What is the Hague Convention, and why haven’t we signed it? I was pretty relieved to find out it was just a jurisdicional issue.

aramis87 ,

Canada was just such a notable departure from the other countries listed that I was surprised. I'm glad it was just an issue between the feds and the territories and provinces and not something weird!

some_guy ,

I hope they leave this country and never come back.

ArtVandelay ,
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If they leave the country without a passport, something tells me they’re not coming back even if they wanted to

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