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unexposedhazard ,

Not to glorify nazis, but arguable they fought a whole bunch of wars against most european countries and won all of them until they came up against some big ones.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Not how wars work alliance against alliance, that’s the point of an alliance.

Th4tGuyII ,
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Arguably their biggest mistake was trying to fight both world superpowers at once, in the USSR and Great Britain backed by the US.
I can't imagine how they thought that would go well, but thank fuck they did, cause I wouldn't want to see the world they envisioned.

Pechente ,

If you’re brainwashed by your own propaganda, attacking both superpowers probably feels like a good idea

Kusimulkku ,

I don’t think they wanted to do that. I believe the plan was to pressure the UK to make deal and once that was done they’d be free to attack USSR

schnurrito ,

My understanding is that Hitler always imagined that the UK would be an ally of his: Germany would be the superpower on the European continent, the UK would have its overseas empire.

Kusimulkku ,

Should’ve known the Brits were way too proud for that hah

Im_old ,

Apparently not that proud

en.m.wikipedia.org/…/British_Union_of_Fascists

Kusimulkku ,

Doesn’t seem to have all that popular, especially long term

Zoidsberg ,
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Also, how are you supposed to keep control of an overseas empire without a strong seat of power? Even after winning the war the Brits still lost it.

GregorGizeh ,

Hitler was actually an admirer of the British and initially sought an alliance or other non-hostile arrangement. Only when that didn’t work he went to war with them

Agent641 ,

Operation Bruhbarossa

Eheran , (edited )

They almost did win against the USSR. A harsh winter perhaps was the only thing that stopped them. If that happened, those millions (most were there) would have been freed up to fight in the West.

Edit: Why reply and immediately delete the comment? I would like to hear your thoughts.

Tar_alcaran ,

In their defense, they kicked the everliving shit out of one world power (France) already

TSG_Asmodeus ,
@TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

I just want to say, for all the discussion of ‘could they have…’ it’s important to remember that Germany was never going to conquer Russia, it was a stupid (racist) idea to get Hitlers ‘lebensraum’ and take out Stalin’s ‘Jewish Bolshevist’ nation (heavy on the eye-roll there). Keep in mind that Germany didn’t even get Moscow, which Napoleon had actually managed to (mostly) do, and Napoleon still lost for the same reason that Germany would have regardless – they did not have the logistical ability to support an army in an area the size of Russia. Partisan/army elements would absolutely pick apart a logistical train that long, which Germany couldn’t have done any way. We have to remember Germany wasn’t an actual mechanized army, it was entirely dependent on horses, and to try to use horses to haul ammunition/food/clothes/medical supplies/artillery shells/etc ~1500 kilometres from Germany to Moscow alone would be insane, especially with the millions of men and women the Soviet union had constantly attacking you.

The entire invasion was never going to work, and people give the idea it could have worked way too much credit. And this is all assuming no other nation would step in either; it’s entirely on the ‘nobody is in an alliance anymore’ sort of fantasy world. This failed for the exact same reason that the Russian invasion of Ukraine has – they planned for a short, easy war, because their entire ideology requires that they underestimate their foes at every available opportunity.

Lemminary ,

I like how passionate you are about this one detail about history. And, honestly? I would read your book about it. Lol

neidu2 ,

One aspect that is often overlooked is how reduced in strength the German forces were at the start of Barbarossa. Sure, they took Poland and France very quickly, but they suffered enough losses that Barbarossa started at reduced strength, and once the initial maneuvers of the invasion were over Germany was pretty much running on fumes manpower-wise.

Tar_alcaran ,

and once the initial maneuvers of the invasion were over Germany was pretty much running on fumes manpower-wise.

And, ironically, fuel-wise

Justas ,
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Some Germans wanted to ally themselves with Poland and fight against Soviet Union together. Without Germany attacking Poland, France and United Kingdom would have not entered the war and history might have gone very differently.

RestrictedAccount ,

The US Confederates also lost 1 war.

So did the modern Japanese (also hugely racists).

PyroNeurosis ,

I’d argue the Japanese didn’t just fight one war, though. They at least managed to trounce the Russians.

RightHandOfIkaros , (edited )

I mean, the only reason they lost was because they decided to fight Russia in the winter and Japan attacked the US too early, meaning Germany had to fight on two fronts.

Germans might have won if they kept with their “one at a time” strategy. What a different (even worse probably, if you can imagine it) world that would be.

Kusimulkku ,

It would’ve given the USSR more time to prepare

SuperNerd ,

They lose in every timeline. The US would have nuked them.

Hubi ,
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That’s a pretty good point that I haven’t considered before.

egonallanon ,

Operation barbarossa started at the height of summer. The reason the winter fucked them so hard is they refused to prepare for it in meaningful way such as sending winter uniforms for the soldiers. In many ways the nazis were incredibly incompetent.

Outsider9042 ,

To be fair, they did take on… the world.

UnityDevice ,

You’d figure that would take about 5 seconds for the world to win, but weirdly, it was kinda close.

Honytawk ,

It wasn’t close. Plenty of countries hadn’t joined in yet. Only European countries and allies were fighting directly.

Aqarius ,

(It’s a Norm Macdonald bit)

Wanderer ,

Scared of Germany

Honytawk ,

Not only that, but they were also defeated by the cooperation of different nations that would let anyone join if they wanted.

So the Nazis were literally defeated by diversity and inclusivity.

fckreddit ,

Propaganda is helluva drug.

HollowNaught ,
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Haha yeah

Wonder who this reminds me of

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