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Join the debate about whether the pronoun removal mod should be kept or not

For everyone reading this, if you have thoughts or opinions on the subject, please direct them to the original post to centralize the discussion. Thank you.

I would like to see more peoples perspectives to try and achieve a middle ground with whether the mod should be kept or not.

chloyster ,

No. This is not at all something I am interested in having here

Rozauhtuno ,
@Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Uh uh.

checks op’s history

obvious sea lioning

blocked

Anyway…

nosurprises ,

Don’t you have better things to do?

AnonTwo ,

Okay, i'm a bit confused, but why is this

  1. A discussion about a discussion about a discussion?
  2. Not a properly linked discussion, but rather a direct link to the instance?
bermuda ,

OP got mad that users on lemm.ee downvoted his post and a lot of his comments and is trying to rally support… from beehaw of all places.

that’s my best guess.

Fizz ,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

I don’t think nexus mods should remove the mod. 99.99% of people will just scroll past the mod. Removing the mod gives it publicity and vindicates the author.

Its insulting to me that nexus mods doesn’t respect their users enough to give them the choice to install it or not. They think they need to shield us from what is ultimately a dumb meme mod.

CubbyTustard ,

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    librechad OP ,

    In an online world filled with a plethora of mods, from artistic to bizarre, it’s intriguing that the focus narrows down so sharply on one. The concept of a ‘dumb meme mod’ being powerful enough to tarnish the reputation of an entire platform is a strong statement about the perceived fragility of said platform. Also, the idea that users need to be ‘shielded’ from something they can just scroll past underscores a lack of trust in the user community to make their own informed choices. Surely, the platform can weather the storm of a singular, controversial mod without undermining its integrity.

    FatCrab ,

    Or they could just decline to host something they think is dumb trash. Surely, you can just download the mod fucking somewhere else if you want it?

    librechad OP ,

    While it’s true the platform has the right to refuse hosting certain content, the point at issue is whether that decision should be made on subjective opinions like ‘dumb trash,’ or if a more balanced approach should be taken. We’re discussing the principles of platform moderation, not just the convenience of downloading a mod elsewhere.

    Vodulas ,

    “It’s about ethics in game journalism” is not the argument you think it is. No amount of hate should be tolerated if you want an inclusive community.

    Suggesting people discuss it elsewhere is also a terrible ask. You posted this in Beehaw. Asking people to go to an external forum means you don’t want follow the rules of this forum. Your “Why can’t we all just get along rhetoric” is tired.

    librechad OP ,

    Your point about ‘ethics in game journalism’ isn’t actually the focus of my argument. I’m more interested in discussing what kinds of content should be considered unacceptable to the point of removal. This is all about understanding community standards and how a platform should be governed.

    As for asking people to go to the main post, my intent is to centralize the discussion for everyone’s benefit. It allows for a more structured, in-depth conversation. This isn’t about pushing a ‘Why can’t we all just get along’ agenda, but rather, understanding the guidelines that govern our interactions. If you find that to be tired rhetoric, perhaps we’re looking at different aspects of a complex issue.

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

    The issue should be less of platform moderation and more one of why the fuck is a civilised society allowing a platform that promotes hate to exist?

    bermuda , (edited )

    Just download it somewhere else. Nexus isn’t forced to host any mod thats uploaded.

    edit: you also clearly don’t understand why they removed it. The mod itself wasn’t powerful enough to tarnish their reputation. If you actually tried to take a look at their own file submission guidelines, you’ll see that:

    Files that remove gender identity including pronouns from a game that have been intentionally put in place by a game developer, when the removal is clearly to be divisive or cause hostility within the community or marginalise specific group(s).

    are not allowed, among many other types of files. Why this particular mod is getting attention? I don’t know, perhaps the mod’s creators are trying really hard to get people to notice the removal.

    Face it. They deliberately made a mod that went against the site’s guidelines. Why should they or anybody else be pissed off that the site removed it?

    librechad OP ,

    Your point is well-taken, but it’s also tangential to the crux of my argument. Yes, I’m fully aware that the mod’s author has expressed bigoted views, which does provide grounds for removal based on platform guidelines. However, the broader question here is not just about one specific mod or its author; it’s about what kinds of content truly warrant removal. If the issue was merely adherence to guidelines, then our conversation would be over. But I’m interested in a more nuanced discussion: What constitutes a mod that is so egregious it merits removal? And who gets to decide that? These are the questions at the heart of my main post.

    bermuda ,

    Well I’m not interested in a more nuanced discussion. I said what I wanted to say. I really find it odd how desperate you are to gain opinions from literally everybody who interacts with your post. Not everybody wants to talk to you.

    librechad OP ,

    Fair enough, you’re not obligated to partake in a more nuanced discussion. But make no mistake, the essence of a public forum is to invite varying opinions, including those that go beyond surface-level judgments. If that’s not a conversation you’re interested in, you’re free to step aside. But don’t misinterpret my thoroughness as desperation.

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I see it keeping as an invite for other modders to also create their “anti-woke” trash and upload it there.

    The mods you described have an actual use. This just sounds stupid and could be just that: An ignored setting.

    librechad OP ,

    While I understand the concern that allowing one such mod could set a precedent, each mod’s impact should be evaluated on its own merits and within the context of the platform’s guidelines. Indeed, many mods may be considered ‘stupid’ or ‘useless’ by some, but they nonetheless find an audience.

    Is the existence of an ‘ignored setting’ truly sufficient to warrant a ban, or does that reflect a broader issue around community standards and governance?

    pixel ,
    @pixel@beehaw.org avatar

    I think the mod is fucking stupid and entirely unnecessary but the guy that made it is well within his rights to make it, in much the same way that I and nexusmods are more than within their rights to say this guy’s an idiot, and nexusmods is in a position to do something about it. if he’s able to express free speech by making his mod in the first place, he is not exempt from the consequence of that expression of his right lol

    HumbleFlamingo ,

    I can’t fathom how anyone, besides a bigot, would want a mod to remove an option, that they are free to not choose, from a video game. It’s like a mod for BG3 that removes the wizard class from character creation because you don’t want to play a wizard.

    The people who don’t care for choosing pronouns, chose one just fine. They didn’t quit the game during character creation and look for a mod to remove a choice, that they were free to not choose.

    JFC.

    librechad OP ,

    If you’d like to engage in a debate on this topic, I invite you to bring your arguments to the original post where the discussion is centralized. This will help maintain a focused and meaningful conversation. Thank you.

    HumbleFlamingo ,

    Gonna be real honest here, there’s no ‘debate’ to be had here. Anyone thinking there is a debate to be had here probably has ulterior motives and is being disingenuous.

    No one should normalize this ‘debate’.

    librechad OP ,

    The purpose of centralizing the discussion is to understand various perspectives on platform moderation. While you may see the issue as settled, other individuals may have questions or viewpoints they’d like to explore. Declining to engage in debate doesn’t nullify the merit of the discussion for others who are genuinely interested in dissecting the subject matter.

    HumbleFlamingo ,

    Nah, I’m good. I skimmed it and I see 2 view points, everyone who thinks it’s stupid, and you trying to keep the party going.

    librechad OP ,

    In the words of JFK, ‘One person can make a difference, and everyone should try.’

    HumbleFlamingo ,

    The full quote is:

    “John Kennedy believed so strongly that one’s aim should not just be the most comfortable life possible, but that we should all do something to right the wrongs we see, and not just complain about them. We owe that to our country, and our country will suffer if we don’t serve her. He believed that one man can make a difference – and that every man should try.“

    And it was Former First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy who said it.

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@kbin.social avatar

    Is the difference you’re trying to make to get everyone to lend validity to the notion of even discussing allowing the transphobic mod?

    MrZee ,

    Ever heard of Sealioning? Look it up. That’s you. Your posts are dripping with pseudo-intellectual “just asking questions” spittle.

    librechad OP ,

    Sealioning is often a tactic used to derail conversations, but that’s not my intent here. I genuinely want to explore the community standards that dictate mod removals. If you find that pseudo-intellectual, perhaps it’s because the questions themselves are inherently complex and require intellectual discussion.

    averyminya ,

    I may have tried to given the benefit of the doubt if it were like, during chara creation after the name is made you can’t continue until you select from the drop-down, thereby forcing players to choose? (Even then, what a ridiculous thing to complain about.)

    But it’s not even that. If you choose male or female you have to actively click on the pronoun to bring up the menu to even change it. When first coming across it I almost passed right by it, only noticing it at all because I can read. You have to actively go out of your way to utilize the mechanic.

    It just makes no sense for it to be an issue outside of people looking to create problems. And hate.

    wetnoodle ,
    @wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz avatar

    I can’t confirm it but some comments in that post state that the mod author was spewing bigotry, transphobia, etc. In the description of the mod, in which case, it absolutely should’ve been taken down, regardless of the actual content of the mod. That being said, they are a privately owned website and they can choose what they will and won’t host; even without the mod description, it is justified.

    librechad OP ,

    Thank you for your input. Could you please post your comment on the original post? It would be more constructive to have all viewpoints and discussions centralized there for a more comprehensive dialogue.

    50gp ,

    these types of mods are posted in bad faith to generate controversy so its not surprising when they get removed

    Seathru ,

    I think Nexus should be able to ultimately decide what they do/don’t host on their platform. Regardless what it is. They have many mods that aren’t my taste. I don’t install them.

    librechad OP ,

    Thank you for sharing your perspective. I agree that Nexus, as a private platform, has the prerogative to decide what content to host. The focus of my original post was not on the content itself, but on the criteria for moderation. If you’d like to engage further, please post your comment on the original discussion for a more centralized dialogue.

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