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So many great posts containing Lemmy resources (ex. apps, communities) are now out of date. Instead, how about we make a repository to pull from?

EDIT: Might be able to get this set up. Hang tight!

There was a little bump in users, and the LemmyWorld admins posted this, but the included apps guide was out of date. I went to ask about it and saw the account that made the post is no longer active (moved instances). I then tried to update it myself and made progress, but got overwhelmed.

Two parts of my suggestion:

Part 1) Have a repository to pull from

Users don’t like to go off site, which is why a pinned post with the resources works well. However, pinned posts go out of date, and it’s a lot of ask for one person to manually edit it and keep it updated.

Instead, why not make a repository with a collection of markdown files containing the post body contents. Then there would be one source of truth that everyone can update.

The post contents would also include:

  • Link to the contribution page, so it’s easy to suggest changes
  • Last updated date, so that if a post goes out of date the users can ask it to be updated or just go to the source.

Whenever the post needs to be updated, the OP can paste in the newest contents.

Part 2) A nicer list of resources

I guess this is more of a ‘nice to have’ feature, but it would be nice if we had a site that was easier to navigate, ‘prettier’, and more accessible to casual users. We have this for our community/Subreddit, and it’s pretty easy to keep updated: ubcwiki.ca/index.html. It runs open source mdBook

Right now Lemmy has awesome-lemmy and [awesome-lemmy-instances](Owner avatar awesome-lemmy-instances). But they’re not the nicest to look at, and it’s a bit annoying to find content (especially awesome-lemmy) because of the format. There’s a lot of text on one page, and little variation in spacing/text size.

The new site could have the same contents, a lot could be copy and pasted over, and it could be updated from the same repo. Only difference is that it would be nicer to use.

Spzi ,

I’m all for collecting information, keeping it up to date, making it accessible and sharing the workload to many people.

For me, that screams WIKI!

There is a Wiki which could very well use more contribution and updates: joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Lemmy%3F

I think a proper Wiki is the correct place for these things. Compared to a repository, a Wiki is more accessible for more kinds of people. It also allows better cross-referencing of information along with other relevant functionality.

That being said, let’s not argue too much about where the best place might be. Getting things done is more important, so go ahead! It should be easy to copy the content to a Wiki at a later point.

otter OP ,

Getting things done is more important, so go ahead! It should be easy to copy the content to a Wiki at a later point.

Appreciate this, we should hopefully have something up by the end of the week!

Linking to all the other resources, such as joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Lemmy%3F would be a part of the process while starting up, so the comments on this post have been extra helpful

wiki_me ,

You could use github pages and have awesome-lemmy deploy to it and have html web page without all the extra github stuff , it should be relatively easy to do.

I suggest against creating another project, i see this type of duplication and it really can be confusing (which source do i use?) plus it is a duplication of effort and the fediverse does not really have a lot of contributors unlike companies such as google and facebook.

On the other hand i am the second most frequent contributor to awesome lemmy and might not be entirely objective.

If you want a github organisation could be set up for awesome-lemmy and after a while you could become an owner and it won’t have the bus factor of 1, maybe we can even set up a “lemmy community” github organisation (something like nix-community) and that could make it easier to discover some projects and if for some project and contributor loses interest another one could be assigned (without all the links and it’s name recognition going to waste)

otter OP , (edited )

That’s a very fair point, and it does carry weight since you’ve been contributing for so long (thank you for doing all that!). Reducing duplication of effort is a big part of the goal. I was talking to @cynber about the repo/project and nothing has been set up yet. Part of why I was thinking a new project was after reading about awesome-lemmy (and the requirements for ‘awesome’ guides) I got a bit lost. How does it usually work for those, and what is the advantage of keeping that format opposed to website?

I think a Lemmy organization (or threadiverse organization) could work well, and it would definitely make it easier to keep track of the projects. I don’t have as much experience in that area, so I’ll probably defer to others who know more about it.

If I have the right idea, it would be something like


<span style="color:#323232;">threadiverse-community (organization)
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  |-> awesome-lemmy (repo): structured the same way as it is now
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  |-> LemmyKnow (repo): to run the website &amp; the post pages
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  |      |-> website has pages with resources
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  |      |-> repo has MD files for posts that users can copy from
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  |-> other Lemmy related projects
</span>

Ultimately, if it works out, we could shift over sections from awesome-lemmy to the website, so it’s more accessible. For the site, @cynber can confirm, but I think the plan was md-book running on GitHub pages.

In the meantime, it might be worth it to give the site a try and just not advertise it. If the site doesn’t work out, then the whole thing is kinda moot anyway

wiki_me ,

I got a bit lost. How does it usually work for those, and what is the advantage of keeping that format opposed to website?

What would you like to know?, you basically just edit the file and submit a pull request, you can even do it using only github GUI.

I makes it very easy to contribute (you don’t need to know HTML/react whatever) and read it if you are using github, and github makes discovering repositories easy using topics (see for the example the “lemmy” topic).

If I have the right idea, it would be something like

Yeah i think you got it, i would prefer info on awesome-lemmy won’t be replicated on LemmyKnow.

otter OP ,

Right ok makes sense :)

I’ll send a message later on once we get an idea of what we want to do

otter OP ,

I was silly and posted the comment before I was done writing it. I’m done writing it now, sorry about that

Pyroglyph ,
@Pyroglyph@lemmy.world avatar

Why not have the best of both worlds? Set up a repo with all the information, then run a bot that periodically updates a pinned post with the data from the repo.

otter OP ,

That would be the best, I’d need help with the bot side of things but I like it. :)

We could also then create a process to request a page / post type. But at some point we might as well just implement wikis on Lemmy

PupBiru ,
@PupBiru@kbin.social avatar

i’d suggest using the CI built into whatever git host you choose: commit a change and CI runs automatically and updates posts

less bot per se, but definitely easier than webhooks or scraping to sync

onlinepersona , (edited )

You (or somebody) could host a wiki that uses markdown or has a rich text editor at fedi.wiki as the domain isn’t taken yet.

Edit: looks like the domain is squatted, but maybe something similar is free

otter OP ,

That could also work great, I think I remember seeing a fediverse wiki somewhere which could work. I don’t have much experience hosting an actual wiki.

db0 ,
@db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

As luck would have it, I just finished deploying a wiki where only my lemmy users can edit wiki.dbzer0.com

photonic_sorcerer ,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Over on db0 we have a wiki which all instance members can edit. Maybe y’all can do something like that here?

otter OP ,

That would be cool. Is it on lemmy.dbzer0.com, I don’t think I see it. Can you use your Lemmy accounts to make edits?

photonic_sorcerer ,
@photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

wiki.dbzer0.com

nix ,
@nix@merv.news avatar

I really wish the domain wasnt so difficult to remember wow

fmstrat ,

This seems anti-decentralized. You’ll get one person or one group of opinions. A poll/post with commentary? Hard to do this without some form of administration, and politics be politics.

otter OP ,

The hope is that the repo would be open so anyone could clone it if the original project was being unethical. Similarly, users are free to modify the lists when posting, or maintaining their own forks so they can benefit from updates but keep their own structure.

We would need some rules about how the list should be ordered, and what content wouldn’t be allowed. For apps/extensions that’s simpler, you can order by installs and have a threshold (ex. Top 5 are listed prominently, rest are listed in a section below, ordered alphabetically). For instances/communities this is a little harder, and I don’t know what the best way to handle it would be.

For the second point, right now the alternatives are also single repos, so it wouldn’t change much past the structure.

dameoutlaw ,
@dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml avatar

Not exactly what you were getting at and it’s not Lemmy specific but I did make a living list of Fediverse apps. lemmy.ml/post/5100592I’m hoping this can help in the meantime

otter OP ,

This is great! Would love to use that content later on if that would be ok :)

dameoutlaw ,
@dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml avatar

Absolutely! Thanks for asking but that’s why I made it so it could be of service and make things easier for users.

dameoutlaw ,
@dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml avatar

I also made this list as well lemmy.ml/post/5198221

otter OP ,

If this does work out, what should this repo / site be called?

LemmyWiki? LemmyGuides?

Blaze ,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

They both seem fine to be honest

Coasting0942 ,

The Fediverse Divinitatus:

Rejoice for I bring glorious news,

Reddit walks among us……

A_Union_of_Kobolds ,

Easy there Lorgar

eggymachus ,

LemmySee? LemmyKnow? LemmyIn? 🙂

otter OP ,

I like LemmyKnow

LemmyKnow about ____

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

LemmyGuide seems suitably beginner friendly and should do better in search engine results.

otter OP ,

What do you think about LemmyKnow

I liked LemmyGuide, but I thought it might get lost in the search results. There are a few other tools, sites, and repos with similar names.

Alternatively, if we had the full name be “LemmyKnow - Guides for Lemmy”, it might still show up in search results for “Lemmy guide”? Then searching “LemmyKnow” would only find the project the user wants.

Downside is that the name isn’t as descriptive. “LemmyKnow Guides”?

Emperor ,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

I like it:

"LemmyKnow: Your Guide to Lemmy and the Threadiverse’

threelonmusketeers ,

Reddit had a built-in wiki system. Could Lemmy have something similar?

otter OP ,

I think it’s one of those things that just hasn’t been implemented yet. It should definitely be possible, just a matter of someone getting it done.

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